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A Complete Freddy Rework (power, add-ons and the Dream World)
Hello, Freddy mains!
This is my (hopefully final) attempt to buff Freddy to make him more fun, powerful and interesting. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, so feel free to comment.
• Freddy is invisible to everyone who's awake, and his terror radius is replaced by his lullaby for the awake survivors.
• When coming close to a Survivor, he can pull them into the Dream World. During this process, survivors become Incapacitated and can intermittedly see Freddy.
When in the Dream World:
• Survivors suffer from a 20% action speed penalty.
• Can see Freddy.
• Can hear Freddy's terror radius.
• Can see and be affected by Dream Traps.
• Can see the Dream Projection happening.
• Can be attacked by Freddy.
• The amount of fog on the map is increased significantly, reducing the survivor's vision. The map also becomes moderately darker and almost completely colorless.
Freddy's abilities:
• Dream Projection - Now works with finished gens as well.
• Dream Hooks - 6 random hooks change into Dream Hooks at the start of the trial. Unlike normal hooks, only Freddy and asleep survivors can see and interact with them and the survivors hooked on them.
• Dream Snares
• Dream Props - This includes Dream Pallets, Totems, Chests and Breakable doors. These act all in a similar way, they can be put in spots where they could spawn naturally, and interacting with them makes them dissolve into blood and alert Freddy, with the exception of Breakable doors, which Freddy can walk through, making them dissolve, while survivors can't walk through them.
• He can create up to 20 Snares/Props
Ways to wake up:
• Getting woken up by an awake survivor.
• Waking up with a Medicine Cabinet.
• Getting hooked on a normal hook.
Medicine Cabinets:
• Replacement for Alarm Clocks
• Survivors can interact with them while awake or asleep, with the interaction changing depending on their state.
• When awake, interacting with these will put survivors to sleep. When asleep, interacting with these will wake you up and make you unable to fall asleep for 20 seconds.
Add-on changes:
Red Paint Brush:
• All survivors start the trial asleep.
• Changes the shape of Dream Snares into rectangular puddles that are 2 m wide and 8 m long
• Reduces the amount of maximum tokens to 10
Black Box:
• Asleep survivors are unable to escape through the Exit gates.
• Increases the amount of Medicine Cabinets by 2
Pill Bottle:
• Replaces Fake Chests with fake Medicine Cabinets.
• When spawning a Fake Totem, it will look like a lit Hex Totem.
Class Photo:
• Suppresses the appearance of the Husk
• During the Dream Projection, all generators spew blood. (removed downside)
"Z" Block:
• Survivors interacting with a Medicine Cabinets become Deafened until hit by Freddy.
Swing Chains:
• When hooking a survivor on a Dream Hook, the duration of their hook stage timer is shortened by 15%.
• Removes 3 Dream Hooks.
Unicorn Block:
• Survivors become Oblivious for 45 seconds when triggering a Dream Trap. (The timer doesn't reset when triggering a trap while already affected by this add-on)
Nancy's Masterpiece:
• Reduces the cooldown of Dream Projection by 4% for each asleep survivor, up to a maximum of 16%
Jump Rope:
• Increases the amount of Dream Hooks by 2.
Blue Dress:
• Increases the range of Dream Transition by 30%.
• Decreases the length of Dream Transition by 2 seconds.
Paint Thinner:
While asleep, survivors suffer from the following effects:
• A 35% chance to trigger a difficult skill check while repairing or healing.
• Skill check success zones are reduced by 20%.
Cat Block:
• Survivors become Exhausted for 30 seconds when interacting with a Medicine Cabinet
Nancy's Sketch:
• Reduces the cooldown of Dream Projection by 3% for each asleep survivor, up to a maximum of 12%
Outdoor Rope:
• Increases the audible range of repair noises by 8 meters. (Removed condition)
Green Dress:
• Increases the range of Dream Transition by 20%.
• Decreases the length of Dream Transition by 1 second.
Prototype Claws:
• The Nightmare is completely invisible to survivors during Dream Transition.
• The Incapacitated status effect will not appear on the HUD.
Sheep Block:
• Survivors become Blind for 60 seconds when triggering a Dream Trap (Same condition as the Unicorn Block)
Wool Shirt:
• Increases the range of Dream Transition by 10%.
• Decreases the length of Dream Transition by 0,5 seconds.
Garden Rake:
• When triggering a Dream Prop, survivors scream and reveal their location for 3 seconds.
Kid's Drawing:
• Reduces the amount of power tokens by 10
• Gives a 100% bloodpoint bonus in the Sacrifice category.
Comments
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Stronger for sure, and maybe more interesting to play, however I don't think he is gonna be more fun to play against or have a better skill expression.
Also I think you did not explicitly mention that you cannot get hit by Freddy when not in dream world... Which I assume is the case?
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Yes, that is true.
I tried returning back his original power where he couldn't interacti with awake survivors aside from making them go to sleep.
Also, he would be able to interact with objects normally
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I’d make the action speed penalty 40%
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I halved the original action speed penalty to conpensate for the new additions that happened since then.
To not make it too oppressive.
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I doubt it’ll be oppressive with how survivors might just avoid the penalty by failing skill checks
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Good point. 40% might be better, but also it can make Forever Freddy come back and no one wants that, I think. 30% could be a good middle ground.
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regarding that I was planning awhile back of making a post asking if forever Freddy can make a comeback with the current anti gen mechanic or if they could try to make a test around it
I personally wonder how it would go now in comparison to back then with how there aren’t anymore infinite kicks on gens and half of the perks that used to help with this playstyle are also pretty dead
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OG Freddy was the worst thing to happen to DBD lol
Why do you want to bring that back? The only thing good about OG Freddy was the Dream Pull ability. Slap that into current Freddy's kit with a few additions to his power; make his Projection usable on every generator regardless of whether it's completed, blocked or still in need of repairs. Make Red Paint Brush base kit. Make Projection take less time to recharge. And then that's a Freddy that is actually worth playing as.
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So you want to nerf him even more?
So the change you want:
• Better teleport
• Slightly harder exiting out of the Dream
• Has to pull you in before he attacks.
With most of his traps being very meh, you would just make him worse imo.
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I guess he means pulling in dream as well as hitting to enter dream so you don't have to hit them before they can be affected by your power...
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I don't know if he is worth playing then, I would be more in favor of a rework, because despite being slightly better than he would still be quite boring to play as and against.
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No, that isn't my idea for the change lol you're just reading what you want to see lol
My change to Freddy is he is exactly as he is now. But you add everything I mentioned in my previous comment.
Dream Pull would be used as an alternate power to Dream Snare. Imagine how Clown Bottles work where you manually switch to them to use the one you want to.
I would also make his Snares add 1% more Hindered per Snare triggered
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So faster Projection, Red Paint Brush basekit and switching between snares and pulling in?
The first two, no problem. But the switching between powers... I dunno. Clown's switching is annoying to do so if it gets put in like that… It would be clunky.
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Plus being able to project to any generator.
Well, I've said for ages that Clown should have a short animation when swapping between bottle types. That's what Freddy should have too. Up or Down on the d-pad for console users to swap between Snares and Pull.
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I would love to hear what @GeneralV thinks about this.
Personally, I don't like the idea of his dream snares (they're just a boring knock-off of Clown's purple bottles with less utility and more weaknesses), so I hope they'll give him something else. He definitely needs something to help him out in chase but dream snares are incredibly boring and pretty unispired.
The rest of this sounds very nice. I like the idea of Dream Props very much but I think 25 is a tad much. Maybe go with 15 and see how that goes first. Also, for some reason I would really like them to add special dream hooks, that don't exist for survivors outside of the dream world (survivors could enter the dream world manually to save their team mate however).
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they cried about this and made him the worst killer in the game
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Thanks for mentioning me, friend!
It is definitely not a bad idea, and I like how close to Freddy's original design it is! Though having something for chases can be a bit concerning, because his kit already has a lot.
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The idea of returning Freddy to how he used to be in addition to keeping his trap-based kit is quite interesting!
It gives him back his identity as a Dream Demon, pulling Survivors into sleep so he may reliably interact with them, most notably, killing.
How long would it require for a Survivor to be put to sleep?
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Probably 7 seconds again, but it would be nice if he had few addons to shorten that
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a lot of people enjoyed OG freddy because he was like scratch mirror myer's that you could play on any map. He was fun to play but not powerful. that was his main issue. The rework made him stronger but he lost fun and dimensions to his gameplay. After that, he got nerfed and he hasn't recovered since.
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I miss old Freddy so much and this idea seems pretty interesting. I like the idea of combining both his old and current forms together so that everyone is happy!
I posted an idea here a while ago that tried to combine his old and new powers together as well but not as much as you have.
This was my old idea:
Replaces Dream Projection with Dream Cloak
Press the Secondary Power button to activate Dream Cloak for 15 seconds.
While cloaked Freddy gains the following benefits:
1 - Freddy is completely invisible to all survivors when further than 16 metres
2 - Sleeping survivors do not hear the lullaby
3 - The aura of all sleeping survivors are revealed to Freddy
4 - While looking at a generator, press and hold the secondary ability button to perform Dream Projection (functions like it does now)
5 - Upon completing Dream Projection, all awake survivors within 16 metres of the generator are pulled into the Dream World
After 15 seconds or after performing a basic attack or Dream Projection, Dream Cloak ends (the length can be modified with add ons)
Dream Cloak’s cool-down is the same as Dream Projection is currently and functions the same way with it being reduced the more survivors are asleep.
Honestly I don't care how they go about it, I just want some form of the old Freddy back!
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That is a creative idea. I would gladly throw snares out for exchange for this.
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He honestly could still keep his Snares or Pallets with this change and I don't think it would be that big of an issue.
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The only thing I found fun about old Freddy was the Dream Pull. Being able to constantly locate people and get them asleep. Like I said, if they give that aspect back to Freddy as he is now, along with a few more buffs, he'd be in a really good spot
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Like Freddy Main, I want this to happen, but again, the feeling is that developers don't care about it, unfortunately. I think it's unlikely that we'll get something like this on Freddy, so it's very sad.
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We can only hope.
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I always hated the idea of this mechanic. It's RNG dependent, very heavily swings the power's effectiveness based on the survivor perks in play and actually rewards players for missing a skillcheck. I've legit missed skillchecks against Freddy and gone "Oh yeah… that wakes me up".
The counter to Freddy back in the day was to use Self-Care to heal after throwing pallets or taking a hit at gens and spam SCs trying to miss one instantly and wake up. This was made possible by the fact Self Care was meta back then and extremely common, and the difference between bullying Freddy and getting smashed by Freddy was knowledge of this weakness (he was as basic an m1 killer as can be otherwise).
Now Self Care and healing in general is much harder to pull off, Old Freddy would be inherently stronger… Old Freddy is far more interesting a concept, but I feel the gameplay elements of flat gen speed slow down and the constant hopping in and out of the dream via skillchecks should be diminished somewhat, and some of his more active elements should stay/be added to.
I feel some blend between old Freddy and new is a better way to go. I'd rather like the OPs version if skillcheck wake up was removed entirely, and some other wake up mechanic was used. The clocks are functionally OK, but thematically very poor. I'd prefer something like burning your hand on a hot plate, or injecting yourself with an adrenaline vial at dream crossoever points or something, then keep the hooks wake you up in place of skillchecks.
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Yea, the problem with Freddy is that his power can be denied completely when working on a gen or healing.
The reason I wanted too remove waking up via hooking, is because it feels unfitting both thematic wise and gameplay wise. I didn't want to get rid of skill check waking up because I felt it would be too much.
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Freddy's rework is more underbaked than truly bad imo.
Basekit changes:
- 8 dream tokens with swapable dream snares and dream pallets
- 30 second teleport cooldown (was 45 seconds)
- Each asleep survivor lowers the teleport cooldown by 3 seconds (all 4 survivors asleep would decrease your teleport cooldown down to 18 seconds)
- Survivors fall asleep passively after 50 seconds (was 60 seconds)
- You can teleport to finished gens as well (their aura would be white to distinguish them from incomplete generators)
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Hello again!!
I edited the original post, adding some of the ideas suggested in the comments. I would like to thank @Xernoton , @UndeddJester , @_Onyx_ and @ChainsLogic for ideas.
Another thing that was added, is a complete add-on rework.
As usual, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this version of Freddy.
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Edit 2: Redesigned some of the add-ons, changed some small parts of the power and fixed some typing mistakes.
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Edit 3: Added some finishing touches to this concept.
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