I can't understand why developers don't nerf the Nurse.
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@Orion said:
@rapido said:
@Orion said:
@rapido said:
LOL that user is the best player in 1 rank who is everybody agree with it.
Please don't treat me as 100+ hours easy noob.
What kind of mind game do you mean?
You can't do mind game when the killer is nurse.
Mind game is basically need the factor that you can run away from killer.Then that player is still not that good. The Nurse is the very best Killer, if the player is also very good. That means that she requires Survivors who are equally good. If you lose to the Nurse, then you're just not as good as the player using her.
Your logic is keep trying to say that the reason they got slaughtered is bad skill of survivors.
You don't understand how OP nurse is.watch an example ( in this video, all they are highly skilled survivors. The reason they are low rank is there was recent rank refresh.) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orrt2qZU_gsMy logic is that the Nurse loses when the person playing her is worse than the Survivors, and the Nurse wins when the person playing her is better than the Survivors. Your logic is like saying that if I lose against my kiosanim (yes, I practice Taekwondo), it's not because I'm worse than him or because he's better than me, but rather because he's cheating in some way.
@Orion I agree with you about nurse. If every killer was like nurse nobody would play killer. She has a very steep learning curve. I think this game needs at least one or two killers that have that terribly high learning curve because there are certainly players who wish to invest the time to learn and become good with them.
Most newer players are probably pretty bad with her. I am not that great myself and I have been playing (on and off) since beta, but for me, the time investment to get good with her isn't worth it. Others likely love the learning curve and knowing that they can practice with her to become better.
The same would be true for survivors. To the OP: Imagine how skilled you will feel when you escape against a very skilled nurse.
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Nurse is weak if you learn how to play against her. She relies on predicted movement to hit her blinks and you have to use that to your advantage.
Nurse is crap lmao I dont get why everyone puts her on S tier. People need to learn, her blinks are too easy to juke lol
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see her charging? run towards her, keep doing this for 5 gens
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Monstrous Shrine always does something.
Knock Out does nothing if the person you downed is in SWF. Knock Out does nothing if a survivor has Empathy. Knock Out does nothing against Aftercare. Knock Out is signifcantly worse if the person you downed has Unbreakable, No Mither or Tenacity.
A perk that has a bad effect will always be better than a perk that can be turned into a literal "Waste a perk slot." perk by using game mechanics (SWF). You could go into a game against four survivors that have no perks and yet Knock Out will have no effect.
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@Madjura said:
Monstrous Shrine always does something.Knock Out does nothing if the person you downed is in SWF. Knock Out does nothing if a survivor has Empathy. Knock Out does nothing against Aftercare. Knock Out is signifcantly worse if the person you downed has Unbreakable, No Mither or Tenacity.
A perk that has a bad effect will always be better than a perk that can be turned into a literal "Waste a perk slot." perk by using game mechanics (SWF). You could go into a game against four survivors that have no perks and yet Knock Out will have no effect.
I guess you didn't play around with it enough then.
You can make Knock Out work if you build around it, even with all those possibilities stacked against you.
Can't do that with Monstrous Shrine, it'll always be as weak as can be.Making it work > Always working, but always too weak to notice.
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@Boss said:
@Madjura said:
Monstrous Shrine always does something.Knock Out does nothing if the person you downed is in SWF. Knock Out does nothing if a survivor has Empathy. Knock Out does nothing against Aftercare. Knock Out is signifcantly worse if the person you downed has Unbreakable, No Mither or Tenacity.
A perk that has a bad effect will always be better than a perk that can be turned into a literal "Waste a perk slot." perk by using game mechanics (SWF). You could go into a game against four survivors that have no perks and yet Knock Out will have no effect.
I guess you didn't play around with it enough then.
You can make Knock Out work if you build around it, even with all those possibilities stacked against you.
Please explain how you can counter Empathy let alone a SWF team telling each other where they are downed in such a way that the effect of Knock Out is meaningful. Any perks / addons you use in those situations to make Knock Out work would perform as well as if you did not run Knock Out.
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@Madjura said:
@Boss said:
@Madjura said:
Monstrous Shrine always does something.Knock Out does nothing if the person you downed is in SWF. Knock Out does nothing if a survivor has Empathy. Knock Out does nothing against Aftercare. Knock Out is signifcantly worse if the person you downed has Unbreakable, No Mither or Tenacity.
A perk that has a bad effect will always be better than a perk that can be turned into a literal "Waste a perk slot." perk by using game mechanics (SWF). You could go into a game against four survivors that have no perks and yet Knock Out will have no effect.
I guess you didn't play around with it enough then.
You can make Knock Out work if you build around it, even with all those possibilities stacked against you.
Please explain how you can counter Empathy let alone a SWF team telling each other where they are downed in such a way that the effect of Knock Out is meaningful. Any perks / addons you use in those situations to make Knock Out work would perform as well as if you did not run Knock Out.
Half of the times i used KO back in the day, they take longer than a minute to get back up, judging from their Dying healthbar, without having to camp them.
Result: 1 Survivor did the same amount of progress as a dead Survivor would for a whole minute.
Which is pretty good in what devs want to be an average of 8-minute matches.Empathy's no danger to me, i see it once every 27 Survivors or so.
SWF is a whole problem on its own, anything suffering from SWF is SWF's fault.
Nevertheless, even against SWF groups, you can achieve those numbers, just gotta adjust your gameplay accordingly. (Like adding a bit of camping, even though i prefer not to, but sometimes situations call for that.)Even if we take your worst-case scenario, i would still save more time in the occasions that there isn't Empathy & SWF than i'd save time by running Monstrous Shrine for 20 matches.
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@rapido said:
Well, I think this argument would go forever.
Korean DBD community is same with my opinion.
Then I just wanted to know what English users are thinking about this.Citation/Link needed.
Don't worry, i can read Korean just fine...1 -
@rapido
I find it fun going against the nurse, it’s like playing hide go and seek lol.
And then it’s fun trying to dodge her hits. A good nurse is hard to come by, so let’s not nerf the nurse.
Tips that may help you going against her.
1. Always cleanse totems. A nurse with noed is deadly.
2. Soon as she goes in a fatigue state you try to hide, hoping that she didn’t see you.
I am jealous of all the players that are good with nurse 😭😭😭
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Bro she's not op
I mean
she port's within seconds to you, hits you and after you get away for 10 meters she ports back to you, downs you and hooks you
and if the nurse is bad she can just do this with the other survivors in her way and slug.
that's the meaning of balance
not creating a killer who is able to 4k if you tryhard
creating a killer with a safe 4k if you tryhard
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stealth is key.
the nurse is a killer from the hunter cathegory, which means her big strength lies in chasing survivors, but she sucks at finding them.
the main problem is, that killers have many perks to counter this weakness, so the nurse can become a very hard enemy to face.however, there is another problem with nerfing her:
she is incredibly hard to play and newer players really have a hard time while trying to learn her.
you have to find a way to nerf her, without completely breaking her for new players, while also taking away some of her power for great players.
i personally dont think they will nerf her more, as they always have to think of the newer players too.0 -
I wouldn't mind them reworking her to have a lower skillcap and be functional for console. Console nurses are like Pig or Doc tier.
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Basically you mean, she's a challenge to play against, pluz nerf?
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@rapido said:
This is way too much for every survivor.
None of 1 rank users can run away from nurse. (if they do, the nurse is definitely noob)
The 2 blink is super op, and the 3 blink is insane.Almost every time I meet the nurse, survivors are easily get rekt.
I know I can do stealth mechanism, but this rarely works if the nurse uses whisper.Especially the knockout nurse is toxic to this game.
I don't get why developers just ignore this cancer sh1t.If devs saw what is going on in Korean high ranks, they would have nerf the nurse immediately.
They saw during the official tournament that nurse is the only killer that can keep up with competent SWF.
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A good Nurse can be outplayed by a great stealth team of SWF, this can beat any killer but you're talking about Nurse and how she ''literally has no counter''. Not being seen is a counter, if she has Whispers she knows sonmeone is in the area. Well that's one Survivor, the other 3 who should still be sneaking should be doing Gens. When the first person is hooked don't go for the save immediatley, wait until that person is almost at stage 2 so someone can get Gens done while not being seen. Save the Survivor and keep hiding, trees, bales, jungle gyms etc. If a killer can't find you they can't hook you. If you get found then run for as long as you can, use that fatigue against her, predict where she is predicting you, like Spirit.
If you nerf her she'll be like trash Nurse on console where barely anyone plays her and those who do all agree that she is more difficult to learn than a PC Nurse. Hera bility and core mechanics are so different than other killers she's like Legion, any wrong change can make them completely OP or weak as Freddy. If you give her 1 Blink and she needs an add-on for 2 Blinks she's a normal Nurse and you die because she is OP. If you give her a charged timer to use her 1 Blink then she needs a higher movement speed so the Blink isn't more harmful to her than helpful because that 1 Blink will always get her to miss since they know she's using it and bam she wasted it. Give her an add-on for 2 Blinks with that setup her problem is gone and she's like normal and OP. She cannot be nerfed without breaking her, the only way to ''fix'' her to be fair like other killers is to rework her entire power.
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Nurse is pretty much unanimously agreed to be the best killer ignoring multiple game mechanics, still got people defending her. Amazing. Sure if you get Lerys you probably have a chance but on most maps, Nurse players losing is a result of outplaying themselves.
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If anything shes at the bottom of the list theres other killers that need it moreDarkGGhost said:right now the killer that need to fix is legion and Freddy after them maybe it's time for nurse
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If you keep trying to loop her just like the rest you will eventually get caught. Only thing I don't get is why would you run more than 2 blinks on her1
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Nurse essentially eats a pallet every time she uses her power. Git gud.
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Nurse is the most balanced killer with no addons . She by default doesnt have mobility and is balanced however nurse with perks is really OP
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@IamFran said:
I prefer playing against Nurses than against Myers, Hags or Billies. I prefer the stealth over pallet looping and the stealth is supposed to be the main Nurse weakness, at least playing ranks 10-7, which are the ranks I usually play.Same here . This game is fun when its all about stealth , being able to juke / break a chase against killer and nurse is the only killer that is easier to juke than all the rest walking killers
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ATTENTION!! all nine-year-old gamers!
nurse is in great danger! to avoid being nerfed, she need your help!
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If they nerf her i will nerf the dev team with me nerf hammer0
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Literally all you have to do to counter a nurse blink every time they blink, is run towards them just as they start to blink so they pop up behind you... they can’t turn around fast enough to wack you, and even if they could, you’re long gone.0
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The Nurse is kinda over the top, but she is actually counterable with mindgames. No easy at all since her power allows to recover from mistakes quite, but it can be done. She needs an addon rework though.
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@Negi said:
Nurse is pretty much unanimously agreed to be the best killer ignoring multiple game mechanics, still got people defending her. Amazing. Sure if you get Lerys you probably have a chance but on most maps, Nurse players losing is a result of outplaying themselves.Yeah because people dont want that she get nerfed because otherwise they would need to put effort again to get their 4k
but its hilarious to see that some people say "hey you have to commit playing her for 100 hours to become very good with her so if you did this you deserve your easy 4k every round"
anyways thats dbd
no reason for me to play freddy or leatherface when i can easily 4k every round with nurse
and i dont see the devs changing the fact so i´ll continue to play nurse because why not lol0 -
All the players whose survivor game begins and ends at pallet looping think Nurse is too strong. It's a git gud issue.
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@Slayer said:
@IamFran said:
I prefer playing against Nurses than against Myers, Hags or Billies. I prefer the stealth over pallet looping and the stealth is supposed to be the main Nurse weakness, at least playing ranks 10-7, which are the ranks I usually play.Same here . This game is fun when its all about stealth , being able to juke / break a chase against killer and nurse is the only killer that is easier to juke than all the rest walking killers
The game only used to be like this back in the days..... it was so much fun but nowadays you get yelled and clicked at if you play "immersed" and dont loop like an idiot
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I think the main reason she will not get nerfed anytime soon is that she takes many hours to master, and she is a DLC character. Furthermore, while there being no chase counters as of yet (aside from mind gaming), your main goal is manipulating where she blinks and play around it. For example, say you run forward, the nurse will try to catch up using a blink, and play around which direction she’s going. However this may not work all the time, and is merely what I thought off the top of my head, but I hope you understand what I’m trying to say.0
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As always, every time the nurse is OP convo pops up, She's free .. Hop on her and see if you can get a EZ 4k ... If you can, then go back to your "Nurse is OP" rants. If not ... well something else has to be a factor right? If you are facing a god nurse, just know that person has put in the time to use her. There is no shame to losing to a nurse. There is shame in being a sore loser however. BTW Nurse is almost unplayable on console.
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@Negi said:
Nurse is pretty much unanimously agreed to be the best killer ignoring multiple game mechanics, still got people defending her. Amazing. Sure if you get Lerys you probably have a chance but on most maps, Nurse players losing is a result of outplaying themselves.blah blah blah. she is hindered by dead zones on tons of maps takes mass skill to use her. no easy killer takes alot of time to master fully. doesnt need a nerf
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I would not say she is that bad, but the skillcap is much higher on consoles because of the camera control. I have seen some play Nurse on PS4 that is almost sniper like. Vast majority though are not very good. I can figure out by the first completed gen if it is a skilled nurse or not.
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Well Nurse, moreso than any other killer, is the reason why killers can't get any general buffs anymore. Especially a gen rush nerf. Just imagine having a second objective added to the game and Nurse stays the way she is. If killers every receive another general buff, she will need to be nerfed. The healing nerf already buffed her though she didn't need it.
I actually agree though, even now Nurse could already need a small nerf. Especially some of her ridiculous addons.0 -
She is, I have never been killed by one at all and she averages less kills than freddy and wraith in my games.
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To me Nurse takes a lot of skill to master and once she is mastered she is a lot more capable of destroying teams at will.
I sometimes play nurse on console and I am really bad at playing her. I imagine she is pretty hard to grasp.
If you don't feel nurse needs a nerf of somekind I understand that something you enjoy to play being restricted isn't nice to hear.
You can't deny the fact that when nurse is used at her potential, she is really powerful and unbalanced against even the best of survivors. Sure you can use unbreakable but you'll just be wasting your time because she'll be back before you make enough ground.
She needs something which will help her feel more satisfying and smooth to play but she also needs something which makes it harder for her to be so inescapable for the expert nurse players.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNlqVZtuUUo
