Spirit Fury + Enduring meta

Ryuhi

Everyone knows that this combo is absurdly important on any M1 killer that has no anti-loop mechanics. You don't necessarily NEED it, but it addresses their main weakness to a massive degree. It honestly makes it very difficult to not use. Most games as the Pig/Wraith/etc you usually have this combo, Ruin (lets be real for a second,) and a detection "flex" perk (BBQ, Discordance, Nurses, etc) Part of the problem with this is that a lot of perks just... don't have room to fit. Monitor and Abuse is a perfect example because it works great on so many killers, but its hard to justify using when 3 perks feel practically mandatory.

I don't know if there's a clean solution to it, but I would love if there was a bit more balancing thought brought to this combo. In the long run, it would help diversify perk and build diversity (especially among M1 killers) and hopefully level the killer tiers a bit.

I understand its a hard thing to address and that 90% of requests are "make the thing I play stronger" but its a pretty clear divide between the viable/not viable killers in terms of the meta.

Ray_Penber

Interesting to think killers always run just those. 80% to 90% of the matches I am in killers have noed. It's kind of annoying. You hardly ever see them run another end game perk like bloodwarden.

Ryuhi

@Ray_Penber said:
Interesting to think killers always run just those. 80% to 90% of the matches I am in killers have noed. It's kind of annoying. You hardly ever see them run another end game perk like bloodwarden.

There's a certain threshold that has one or the other. worse killers use NOED to give themselves a safety net to get at least 1-2 kills, usually due to facing survivor teams that cause 0k games and not being able to change that and/or wanting to flat out punish said players. the Enduring/SF meta is for when m1 killers want to consistently have a say in the game without being looped to hell for free. Granted, its still easily countered by survivors throwing pallets early, but why would they sacrifice those sweet sweet bloodpoints in favor of their team?

George_Soros

Pallets are the biggest hindrance for us. Unless we're using something that ignores it (Nurse, Grabfest Spirit with Prayer Beads Bracelet, there isn't really anything else), we do have to use it, especially on high ranks.
I usually manage to squeeze in BW because I love it, but I wish there was an alternative to SF + Enduring combo.
I don't think there's gonna be one though, at least not without a complete rework of the whole pallet concept; and possibly giving survivors an entirely different method to counter killers.