The signs of non-horror IPs being added was there for 4 years, we just didn't pay attention to it
So far, there's only been two satisfaction surveys that have included questions about which licenses we wanted to see added to the game, one being from 2021 & the other from 2023, both of these surveys listed IPs such as Tomb Raider, D&D & Castlevania at least once or on both of them, as well as most of the IPs previously added like Alan Wake, Alien, Hellraiser & Ring.
(2021) [Couldn't find an image, so had to do with text.]
Movies/TV
- Alien
- Candyman
- Carrie
- Friday the 13th
- Hellraiser
- IT
- Ju-On: The Grudge
- Kingdom
- Lovecraft Country
- One Missed Call
- Potergeist
- Predator
- Prometheus
- Rambo
- Scooby Doo
- Supernatural
- Sweet Home
- The Babadook
- The Exorcist
- The Fly
- The Mummy
- The Ring
- The Shining
- The Thing
- The Walking Dead
- Train to Busan
Anime
- Ajin: Demi-Human
- Attack on Titan
- Death Note
- Demon Slayer
- Fullmetal Alchemist
- Hellsing
- Jujutsu Kaisen
- Koutetsujou no Kabaneri
- Parasyte
- PSYCHO-PASS
- Tokyo Ghoul
Video Games
- Alan Wake
- BioShock
- Castlevania
- Control
- Dead Space
- Devil May Cry
- Doom
- Final Fantasy
- Five Nights at Freddy's
- Half-Life
- Metal Gear Solid
- Persona
- Portal
- Resident Evil
- The Evil Within
- The Last of Us
- Tomb Raider
- Until Dawn
Comics
- Basketful of Heads
- Gideon Falls
- Hellblazer
- Hellboy
- Spawn
- The Wake
(2023)
The fact that non-horror IPs were listed on these surveys as far back as almost half a decade ago now is pretty telling that BHVR had never intended on keeping DBD purely horror only, which while i find it disappointing myself, there's nothing we can do about it at this point.
So if you want a good indicator of which IPs that are most likely for BHVR to add into the game at some point in the future should they get the oppotunity, look no further than to what you see listed above.
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Can't wait till we get 2B
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Nothing is scarier than android existentialism. And Yoko Taro making DBD canon to Nier.
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If there are horror elements in an IP I think it's fine personally. Also the original Tomb Raider games had horrifying enemies / stories. It's absolutely fair to give Tomb Raider a place in DBD. Unsure how the newer games fair with the reboot though.
There is only a few things in that list I'm uncertain about like Metal Gear Solid and Portal for example but a good chunk of those have horror elements in them at some point.
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Im of the opinion that as long as it has some scary parts, not just a random jump scare, its good.
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inb4 BHVR makes Emil scoot around across the entire realm blasting his shop song at max volume canon to DBD's lore.
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Where's my Hellsing and JoJo's Chapter?
I need to see it.
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Imma be honest, before Tomb Raider was added, i would have been strongly against the inclusion of Jojo, but at this point it's pretty much whatever since BHVR is most likely gonna add things that are even further from horror.
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2021 already half decade ago?
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Hey hey hey, Part 1 is firmly entrenched in gothic horror.
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I wrote almost half a decade, give it 2 more years and it will be.
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i reject my humanity, Pulsar!
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Lara Croft being announced for DBD just seemed weird to me. They also went with the more modern version of Lara which in my opinion is one of her worst designs ever both in looks and personality. There are so many iconic horror characters they could focus on getting into the game and they for some reason went for Tomb Raider.
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And how unserious and over the top is part 1 compared to the rest of the series?
Because i am, or at least was, a firm believer that only purely horror anime and mangas should be allowed to be added to DBD if there ever was to be any in the game.
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It's still anime, but Part 1 does take itself pretty seriously as it was the initial pitch for the series. You can take a lot more risks when you're established.
There are few villains more evil than Dio, fewer still with as much charisma and sass. Couple that with some cool and pretty varied powers, and you could have a decent Killer. Freeze on contact, pressurized blood shooting from eyes, regeneration, hypnotism, super strength and speed, etc etc
I mean, Hellsing is pretty much pure action-horror and it takes itself less seriously than JoJo's Part 1.
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I suppose, i will admit that part 1 Dio at least looks like a infinitely better pick than Kira from part 4, because at least the gothic horror theme is there to back up Dio's inclusion.
Although adding anime characters is gonna be tricky in general due to the graphics of anime in general, because if you keep the artstyle of the show for the character you add, it will clash with the rest of the game's artstyle and if you change the character to fit the artstyle of the game, it might look weird and disappointing.
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They added Rainbow Six Siege skins. The only thing horror about that game is its community.
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None of these posts make any sense at all. How does Dwight fit but Lara doesn’t? Are they not both humans? Lara is a literal tomb raider looking through caves and graves for artifacts while Dwight worked at a cafe or something. She fits into the game way more than Dwight. As for the horror element we left that over 6 years ago with the Halloween costumes and pajama cosmetics. Idk why people are just now complaining.
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How does Dwight fit but Lara doesn’t?
It's about their point of origins, Dwight and the 3 other original Survivors are all nods to slasher archetypes, making them by default horror-oriented characters. Lara on the other hand is not that and is in fact from an action adventure IP, Tomb Raider having horror elements to it doesn't make it a horror IP nor her a horror character as those elements are not the focus of her games.
As for the horror element we left that over 6 years ago with the Halloween costumes and pajama cosmetics. Idk why people are just now complaining.
The difference is that those are cosmetics related, where as this is chapter related. The latter carries more significance to the game's theme & identity over the former as cosmetics are optional and isn't the default content like chapter's content are. All chapters up until Tomb Raider (with the exception of Nicolas Cage) have all been either about horror IPs or have been horror related in some fashion or form.
The horror theme didn't disappear because of cosmetics, because the horror elements and themes of the game's horror came from the default content of the dlcs, which there was a consistent pattern to the content before from all those dlc, which was that they were all horror related, however that pattern has now been broken with the inclusion of Tomb Raider and that is why people are complaining.
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The horror theme absolutely left with goofy cosmetics because it removes any serious tone the game could instill when people wear them. Actually I would say it was fine before then because survivors were the power role in the beginning. Friday was actually scary because Jason was a real threat, the killers in this game just aren’t that big of a threat so they aren’t as scary. Even then with the original 4 being archetypes, what about David? A literal catacomb exploring, grave robber fits better than 90% of the original survivors. It’s not like they brought in a killer from Tomb Raider. They brought her in as a survivor, after Nick Cage anything was possible.
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What is horror without victims? That's why we have characters like dwight, meg and Yui. There are in there to fit an archetype. I think people are going to be upset that Lara can't just scale the walls of the trial and escape. I have enjoyed all the tomb raider series especially when she caused the apocalypse in Shadow. She's also next to never unarmed.
I think she should have been a collection of skins, that would have been a much better cash grab.
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The horror theme absolutely left with goofy cosmetics because it removes any serious tone the game could instill when people wear them.
Cosmetics are still optional content and not the main themes of the game that the focus centers around, also since you bring up Friday the 13th, it too have goofy cosmetics and silly dance emotes as well, therefore same logic would apply to it's tone as well.
Actually I would say it was fine before then because survivors were the power role in the beginning. Friday was actually scary because Jason was a real threat, the killers in this game just aren’t that big of a threat so they aren’t as scary.
Scary is subjective and things stops being scary when you play something for long enough, Friday is no exception to that.
Also a killer in this game is only as much of a threat as the killer people choose to play as and how good they are with them, which you will find that killers can very much be a threat to Survivors in the right hands.
Even then with the original 4 being archetypes, what about David? A literal catacomb exploring, grave robber fits better than 90% of the original survivors. It’s not like they brought in a killer from Tomb Raider.
Except those 90% of the original Survivors are objectively horror characters as they were created specifically for a horror game, DBD is advertised as horror since it was created with horror in mind as the main focus of the game's premise. Tomb Raider is not a horror game because it wasn't created as one since those horror elements isn't the main focus of it's premise, adventure and raiding tombs are, it is closer to that of Uncharted & Indiana Jones than it is to horror games.
They brought her in as a survivor, after Nick Cage anything was possible.
Sure, but that still doesn't make her a horror character, just a Survivor.
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if they are going this route and wanna continue with fantasy give us a dragon age chapter not sure if others consider it horror adjacenty
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Leon is never unarmed, Jill uses grenade launchers, Chris punches a bolder the size of a house into a volcano, Carlos is always strapped up. All of these resident evil characters are way more impressive than Lara Croft and would easily be able to escape the trial if anyone could. Leon literally scaled a 75 foot tall giant and proceeded to rip a parasite out of the giants back with a knife and his hands.
If people are fine with resident evil then they have to be fine with Lara Croft.
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I agree the emotes of Friday did help remove horror themes but it was still more horrific than DBD. And Fridays goofy cosmetics (there were only 6) actually could make sense because they are college kids partying. Toilet paper mummy Dwight makes zero sense at all because the entity put them in it, not them just existing and being taken like that.
Also Friday never lost its fear factor for me because it was always scary when Jason was near. If you didn’t have a very rare pocket knife and you got grabbed, you were dead on the spot. No hook states, no second chances. The only time he wasn’t scary was when you had the sweater but even then it was still terrifying when he started shifting and teleporting behind you.
So if Lara had the word horror slapped into her game tags she would fit perfectly? She definitely has horror aspects to her game anyways. She’s definitely a better fit than the majority of characters we have now. She is a survivor, plain and simple; she doesn’t have to be horror related at all just survival related. Which she fits into perfectly and actually a character that the entity would definitely take.
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The remakes also have horror elements. An Oni appears in the original remake, and Baba Yaga is on a DLC. Tomb Raider has always been dabbling in horror.
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I agree the emotes of Friday did help remove horror themes but it was still more horrific than DBD.
Not really, same way TCM isn't any more horrific when playing it long enough.
And Fridays goofy cosmetics (there were only 6) actually could make sense because they are college kids partying. Toilet paper mummy Dwight makes zero sense at all because the entity put them in it, not them just existing and being taken like that.
- Most cosmetics in DBD outside of the ones from the tome cinematics aren't canon to the lore as their clothings doesn't actually change while in the trials lore-wise as most cosmetics only exist as optional content for people to use, same way the cosmetic's descriptions aren't canon event to the characters they're for.
- The unreleased costumes for counselors beg to differ and while it may be unreleased, it doesn't change that it would have been added into the game by the devs had the license for the game not been pulled.
Also Friday never lost its fear factor for me because it was always scary when Jason was near. If you didn’t have a very rare pocket knife and you got grabbed, you were dead on the spot. No hook states, no second chances. The only time he wasn’t scary was when you had the sweater but even then it was still terrifying when he started shifting and teleporting behind you.
And it did for me, same way TCM did when playing it for long enough, asym games stops being scary eventually and just becomes either routine and unserious or just becomes tedious altogether.
Also Friday the 13th being scary with moments like in the video below or with counselors messing around by killing other counselors with the car while spam-honking the car horn.
So if Lara had the word horror slapped into her game tags she would fit perfectly? She definitely has horror aspects to her game anyways. She’s definitely a better fit than the majority of characters we have now. She is a survivor, plain and simple; she doesn’t have to be horror related at all just survival related. Which she fits into perfectly and actually a character that the entity would definitely take.
It's not just slapping the word horror onto her game's tag, again, it's about the games not being created with horror as the main focus and premise of the IP to begin with.
Resident Evil is horror because it's about surviving and killing zombies, that is it's main premise & focus, there are treasures in it you can find sure, but that is not the main focus of the game.
Silent Hill is horror because the main premise & focus is navigating your way through an abandon scary town while your personal nightmares are manifested by the town of Silent Hill to kill you, which you have to kill them first.
Alan Wake 1 may not have been advertised as horror initially, but it's main premise and focus is very horror centered with the entire battle between light and dark theme it got going on or how people being taken by a dark malevolent supernatural entity and turned into shadowy mind slaves, which you have to use your flashlight and small amount of weaponry to fight them off while being alone in the forest for the majority of the game. The second game is not only advertised as, but also straight up created as a survival horror game, with it's main premise and focus being even way more darker than the first game.
Tomb Raider's main premise is exploring ancient ruins and tombs in search of lost artifacts and treasures while navigates treacherous environments and battles against rival treasure hunters and other enemies. It may have horror elements to it, but that doesn't make them horror games as they are not the main premise or focus of the games. None of the games were created with horror being the main premise & focus nor were they ever advertised as horror games.
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The day Alucard is in dbd is the day my love for killer would be reignited
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The fact that non-horror IPs were listed on these surveys as far back as almost half a decade ago now is pretty telling that BHVR had never intended on keeping DBD purely horror onlyThey asked the community. It's not some nefarious plot, more that many people were cool with the game having a much broader thematic framework than it started with. Some people might not like it, but they must have gotten enough positive responses to go down that road.
If people are fine with resident evil then they have to be fine with Lara Croft.This is kind of where I'm at. I'll throw in Bill from Left for Dead as well. You're fighting zombies, but nothing about the game is horror. You're mowing down hundreds/thousands of enemies - it's an adrenaline rush of a game, nothing scary about it.
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I want the bloodborne collab to happen so we can finally say we got bloodborne on PC.
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Because people wanna turn this game into Fortnite 2.0 rather than keeping it horror focused ig.
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My guy, this games core gameplay loop is survivors trying to escape from killers trying to put them on meat hooks and sacrifice them to an eldritch spider god. This game will never not be horror focused lol.
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Only in terms of gameplay, not in terms of theme which i believe is equally as important to accompany the gameplay with, as without the theme to back it up with, it just isn't the same and the inclusion of non-horror IPs as chapters to me feels like the game's focus on it's horror theme is being lessen'd by it.
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Considering the lifespan of this game is finite, I'd like to see them spend as much time and resources as they can getting strictly horror ips. It's not discussed much, but we all can identify which crossovers stick out like a sore thumb and i'd go out on a limb and say many of us have similar feelings about them. There are still a lot of well-known modern and older horror icons left for both sides to possibly get in-game before they shut down the servers for good. As much as I'd love for the game to go on forever, it's already approaching a decade.
Part of me believes Lara and Cage are just softening us up for the inevitable… FNAF. I mean, it made both lists…
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The game's lifespan is only as finite as it's popularity & player count exist and as long as BHVR can make money off of it, the game will continue indefinitely and you can bet they will do whatever they can to keep it going for as long as possible.
I fully expect Lara & Cage to just be the beginning and that BHVR will continue the trend of adding more non-horror characters going forward, sooner or later we're gonna have non-horror characters as killers too, just wait and see.
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There also was Jurassic Park once :-)
Also lets go Doom and Metal Gear…
You forget one important thing - people had to select these IPs they want to see.
So it is kinda natural Bhvr went for them.
It is like "Hooked on you" - people maybe were joking but enought people wanted it, so they made it.
And as strange as it was i think this is in general pretty cool that they sometimes listen.
So blame it on the fans.
Side note - it is like the f…in microtransactions everywhere - do you think they would be there if nobody buys them?
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I mean Lara swims in rivers of blood watching her friends get killed by cultists and with how Nicholas Cage talks I'm not entirely convinced he doesn't worship Cthulhu so I don't think we're majorly off theme as of yet.
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Even if we are not at that point yet, seeing as how people are asking for other non-horror characters from other non-horror IPs like Homelander from The Boys, Glados from Portal, Jacket from Hotline Miami, Kira from Jojo part 4, Vergil from Devil May Cry, Velociraptor from Jurassic Park, Sephiroth from Final Fantasy, Darth Vader from Star Wars, etc. It's only a matter of time before we get to that point of going full Fortnite with the game's theme.
It also doesn't change the fact that even with the moments in the 2013 game you've mentioned, Tomb Raider is an action adventure IP, not a horror IP, because the elements of those moments aren't the game's main premise and focus. Exploring ancient ruins and tombs in search of lost artifacts and treasures while navigating treacherous environments and battling against rival treasure hunters and other enemies is, it's generally closer to that of Uncharted and Indiana Jones than it is to other horror IPs.
Listening to the community has it's pros, but it certainly also have it's cons, as people want different things and not all of it is necessarily good for the game.
Also yes, i am partly blaming the community, because they're the ones who are encouraging bhvr to do it to begin with and why i wrote in a previous reply above that people want to see this game turned into Fortnite 2.0 rather than keeping it's theme horror focused.
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Devil may cry? Really? What would Dante and Vergil's power do in DBD?
All i can imagine is Vergil using Judgement cut at a range. Wesker's model and coat looks like a template for his model. Just change the hair to white and give him a blue coat.
Dante? All i can imagine is Dante using his Devil may cry 3 guitar. I really don't know what dante's power could ever be in dbd.
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