Anti-Camp measure deserves a full-on rework because it's done horribly
Anti-Camp measure is something we not always had in the game. It's a nice balance addition, when it works, it can save lives. HOWEVER, it only works when the killer stands right in front of your face for a good time, which is, pretty much never. This allows killers to proxy-camp survivors without getting punished for it in anyway, and instead, rewards them. I had a match vs a Spirit who was objectively bad in chases and was learning her playstyle recently, that was obvious. Whenever they got to down someone, they proxy camped them until they reached 2nd hook, this allowed them to get a 4K then harass & intimidate everyone in the EGC. Not specific to this scenario, but lots of other killers benefit from proxy camping while the anti camp measure doesn't do anything to it either, Huntress can stay a bit far, readying her hatchet to insta hit if there's a save. Billy can ready his chainsaw at the same way, Trickster, Nurse on and on. It needs an urgent rework. Mind you during this screenshot, I chased Spirit for three gens. After I got unhooked they managed to end the game with the same amount of gens remaining, thanks to proxy camping.
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The system was designed to handle killers facecamping. It is not meant to punish killers pressuring hooks from a distance.
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And they found a way around it to camp while not getting punished, next question?
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Camping is a strat. The devs have said this OVER and over. Its literally for face camping or within 16 meters of its radius the bar moves up. What more do you want? Honestly..
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I main nurse and vecna. I think I'd know killer strats by now, I'm not saying it's not a strat I'm saying there's a loop hole to the mechanic thats supposed to be anti camp but still lets you camp someone
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Counter camping by sitting on gens - just do gens, bhvr made hook stages 70 seconds
longerto help you with this. (edit, not longer, just 70 secs)Why after you were the first hook at 2 gens left, did none of your teammates just sit on a gen and let you rot on hook?
This isn't an issue with anti-facecamp but with your teammates being terrible (and also a little lacking info in solo queue). At least one survivor should be on a gen in this scenario.
If anything, I think anti-camp is too strong but all survivors should see your anti-camp progress.
Some killers can counter anti-camp in silly ways, but I think the move isn't to buff anti-camp but to nerf certain killer powers being too strong in unhook scenarios like huntress having insane cooldowns or dracula double hitting with hellfire.
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There is no loophole….Its actually very simple. You cannot camp anyone within 16 meters or the survivor pops off the hook. Period. We don't need further modifications made to this or at least not in the direction you are suggesting. If the killer chooses to camp, so be it. Survivors should be knocking gens out. Not to mention when perks like reassurance or steves perk exists to buy you more time on the hook, in addition to the extra 10 seconds Survivors just got.
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proxycamping isnt facecamping and so does not need to be punished.
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There is one slight thing you all are missing. Anti face camp mechanic isn't for "facecamping" bhvr never once stated it's to combat facecamp. It just progresses faster when you're being facecamped, that doesn't make it what you guys are calling. It's a measure to combat strict & malicious camping in general. Certain killers benefit even more from this like huntress, spirit, billy etc. with other killers still benefiting greatly from this loophole of ACM. This was never what the mechanic was intended for lol sometimes when you're hooked on basement and the killer is sitting right at the gate of the shack it doesn't even progress by a pinch, it's a flawed system, and it needs to change.
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BHVR has, as far as I recall, always specified it as anti-facecamping.
Quoted from the developer update:
Anti Face-camping
Anti Face-camping is here- and so is the Killer. This mechanic aims to provide Survivors with counterplay for some of the most egregious cases of camping
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One patch note vs multiple times of them adressing it as anti camp measure?
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I'd kind of like to know where this strange idea came from that survs should be able to have a completely safe unhook and killers are not allowed to be in the same time zone as the person they hooked.
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Well, I stand corrected, yet that doesn't mean there isn't any room for improvements. The current measure is unhealthy & needs to go. I'm saying this as a killer main that also benefits from proxy camping to turn games where i'm losing around.
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"There is one slight thing you all are missing. Anti face camp mechanic isn't for "facecamping" bhvr never once stated it's to combat facecamp."
This has to be satire…..
Your logic seems flawed a bit. If someone is hooked in the basement. The gate is outside of shack and the meter is barely going up, that means the killer is just within 16 meters away. They are not even in the basement…All of this sounds like a flaw on the skill of the survivor. The mechanic is doing exactly what it should be doing.
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Oh because a killer, lets say bubba standing right at the shack gate definitely isn't camping and there is room for others to save!!
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Anti-face Camp doesn't do squat either. Killer save more time triggering the mechanic and downing after Endurance is gone. Most Killer roster don't care about it.
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Spending the entire match around hooks because you got bodied during chase is a bit unfair, no?
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Yes, it's a flawed system in all aspects. Could use a change
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And? What are the odds you are going to get bubba…and be hooked in the basement, by an exit gate…Yet you want to blame the Anti FACE CAMPING mechanic. Mind blowing. Truly.
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Howdy, and welcome to DBD! This is a common misconception among the newer crowd, so no worries. There actually is no anti camping feature in the game. What you're talking about is probably the anti-facecamping feature which is working as intended and surprisingly well. Out of the hundreds of matches I've played since it's recent inception , I've only seen a single survivor facecamped.
Bear in mind, killers protecting hooks is 100% part of their goals and is simply part of how the game works. Anti facecamping being implemented was mostly just added to stop killers with one shot abilities from making rescues impossible (looking at you, Bubba). Killers are definitely designed in a way where protecting hooks is an important part of their toolbox. They have to decide between protecting gens, or risking zero gen pressure in favor of protecting the hook. It's a big risk vs reward, as zero gen pressure can be easily punished by the survivors slamming out gens. In fact, the devs even added 10 seconds to hook state time to give survivors even more time to punish the risk vs reward play by the killer. If the killer is protecting a hook, they are likely in hot water if the survivors play their cards right.
Anyway, welcome aboard, and i hope you have a better understanding of this mechanic.
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You're the one supposed to punish the killer for camping, not the game.
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well it was never an anti camp measure so you're wrong .
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Buffing the anti FACE camp feature isn't the solution and just opens it up for scenarios that unfairly punish the killer. The way hooks/hookstates work needs changed entirely so they aren't ever needed.
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You’re completely missing the point entirely so let me run it back for you. The Anti FACE Camp meter is to prevent FACE camping. The Devs have stated numerous times they think camping is a valid and fair strategy and are 100% fine with it.
Removing the ability to face camp gives survivors a slightly better chance to get the unhook, although not much better. That was the point of it.2 -
I wouldn’t waste your time running back with them. It goes right over there head. They don’t see logic.
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You're right it's a flawed system, it should be weaker especially after hook stages were made 10 seconds longer, and shouldn't exist in the 2v1 scenario.
Look again at your spirit game - camping lets your teammates complete the gens for free. It's also a spirit, so if you want to unhook one of your teammates (say Sable) can safely run up and trade just before 2nd stage. If the spirit downs the unhooker after unhook you get 10 seconds of 10% haste and endurance to make it at least somewhere which is more time waste while the 3rd survivor (say Zarina) picks up Sable while the 4th (say Mikaela) gets more free gen time.
If the killer instead hits your endurance directly off hook, you get a speed boost to somewhere and so the spirit either commits to you which is even more free gen time for everyone else even if you get double tapped (yay!) or the spirit switches to Sable which makes getting her tunnel out harder and wastes the 70 seconds spent camping you (double yay!!!).
I've literally versed a camping spirit with pain res DMS ruin in solo queue - they camped so they got zero perk value and we 2 or 3 outed. Either way - camping gives so much gen time so just do gens.
This is untrue. The presence of anti-face camp cannot save the killer time unless the survivors are bad or are solo queue players suffering from a lack of info. If the killer is face-camping, the survivor should wait until the very last second to self-unhook while their teammates slam gens. You're correct that the killer can wait or hit the endurance immediately (I've done this as killer in the 2v1), but that gives a lot of uninterrupted gen time to the survivors.
Killer camping is 70 seconds and the follow up is a minimum 10 seconds chase + carry time. which is extended by anti-tunnel like DS/UB, OTR, exhaustion perks (and blood rush), making it to literally any pallet or window, and even some spicy combos like plot twist flip flop power struggle.
Yes there are killers who are good at denying or just plain annoying with unhooks like huntress, clown, trickster, unknown, dracula, oni, and billy but a lot of them either suck (huntress, clown, trickster), need specific killer adjustments (nerfs in general or to unhooks) which anti-face camp changes wouldn't solve (unknown, dracula, billy), or already have limitations (oni).
Point being, don't buff anti-camp, buff the information available to solo queue players. Let all survivors see the anti-camp progress (including if it's ready) so survivors can get a vague sense of if the killer is nearby so they know whether to slam gens or get a free unhook.
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Everyone and their grandma knows this by now. That's exactly the problem with the anti-facecamp system, it only does something against facecamping and nothing against proxy camping, which is almost equally as skillless and unfun to go against.
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The devs stating that camping is a strat doesn't make it any more fun to go against. A strategy that unfun to go against for most people shouldn't be as strong as it is now, that is just not good game design if you as a dev care about your playerbase. Not to mention how little skill proxy camping takes compared to it's average effectiveness.
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That may be true - but it is what it is. That doesn’t mean the anti face camp design should be tweaked how the OG post was mentioning…
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their official patch note is not enough for you? their literal, official announcement introducing the mechanic?
oh brother, OP will accept nothing short of mindless agreement with him. This is not a discussion, this is just ignorance
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Say it with me: Anti-FACE-Camp.
This mechanic was never meant to combat proxy camping but stop killers from standing right next to the hook with the intention to make it impossible for survivors to unhook. That is a big difference.
You are arguing that the mechanic doesn't do what it's supposed to do but that is objectively wrong. It works perfectly fine. You don't see anymore face camping.
Whether or not proxy camping should be affected by this mechanic is a separate discussion. I don't think we need any more changes to camping as a whole but maybe specific killers (Myers, Bubba, Billy, Oni) should be looked at.
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I don't think i saw anyone mention this here, but it intentionally turns off once the generators are repaired and the gates are powered, which re-itterates the fact that camping is considered valid, and by the end of the match face camping is encouraged and the only expected thing of the killer when they have a hooked survivor in the end-game.
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