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Do you think Darth Vader would fit into the world of Dead by Daylight?
Hello everyone, with the recent interview of Matthew Cote saying that BHVR has been in talks with Disney about adding Darth Vader from Star Wars into Dead by Daylight, I've been wanting to ask if you think that Darth Vader truly fits into the world of Dead by Daylight, a lot of people say that he doesn't fit because Star Wars isn't horror related but we have stuff like the Tomb Raider chapter and Rainbow Six Siege cosmetics, do you think that Darth Vader truly belongs in the fog?
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Sure I would love to have Vader in dbd
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a collab with survivors maybe…. ok. But pls no killer, because no Horror
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I would much rather get ghostrider from disney in dbd them vader
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Darth Vader is actually somewhat horrifying if you actually care about the universe he is from. To most people he's just a mascot for the bad guys of space which is understandable. I personally think that he would fit but I also see why others wouldn't want him included in the roster… With that being said there are some even more horrifying entities from star wars deep lore that would undeniably fit into the killer roster such as abeloth or starweirds… Just to name a few. Of course Disney would probably never include stuff from the books since they hate good storytelling and pleasing their fanbases so…
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Not really… but my hesitation comes from the game's foundation being broken
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No, he isn't horror and he doesn't come from a horror or horror adjacent franchise.
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No, the Star Wars franchise isn't even horror despite Darth Vader being a famous character he won't fit well in with DBD. Licensed Killers have to be from a primarily horror franchise to make sense. For survivors I'm more alright since they are suppose to be just everyday citizens.
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a lightsaber merely injuring survivors would be lame
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Honestly, if any Star Wars content got added, I might quit the game. Imagine Sable running away from a space wizard. It was silly enough that when Dracula got added I had to start getting chased by a cartoon vampire. But Star Wars doesn't fit thematically and adding Darth Vader couldn't be taken as any kind of humor either. I feel that if Darth Vader can be a killer in DBD, we might as well also add Walter White, The Riddler from Batman, and Donkey Kong as killers.
I guess that statement is a little glib or facetious or something, but I guess the point is that personally, I'm trying to pay for a horror survival game. Characters like Darth Vader aren't about horror. Vader is a statement about humanity, love, struggle, and the human condition, all placed in a franchise that's centered around space-fantasy, not horror. Personally, I want to preserve what's left of the horror theme in DBD :)
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I don't think he'd be much worse of a fit than Vecna. We're already well past the point of this being a horror game with strict requirements that the characters be from horror media.
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Like a lot of things in life, if you have to question it then the answer is no.
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As much as I love Star Wars, I don't think Darth Vader fits DBD.
The game should, at the very, VERY least, make an effort to stick to horror.
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Yeah, I think that would be great.
Imagine the 2v8s
Darth Vader and Naughty Bear vs Steve Harrington, Nicolas Cage, Lara Croft, The Witcher, Alan Wake, James Sunderland, Bill and Ash Williams on Haddonfield.
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Kind of like how Pinheads hooks just get brushed off of Survivors? In the movies, if even one of those chains hooks you, it clearly is extremely painful and damn near immobilizes even the toughest of people. They could make the saber work. It really isn't that big of a deal. Darth Vader was in Soul Calibur and seeing his sword clash against a normal samurai sword was another time he crossed over to a much weaker universe, but they were somehow still a match for him.
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you should be questioning everything in life; nothing is inherently sacred
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IRL yeah, but if you're experiencing the pleasure of the Cenobites in Hell you don't actually die. Frank was torn to pieces but his scraps were still conscious.
I consider the dbd trials to be Pinhead showing us sights and experiences. Hell away from hell.
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Why can't Darth Vader show us the power of the dark side from a galaxy far far away then? :P Come onnnn! <3
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No and Mathieu Cote needs to chill (respectfully).
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no
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Last thing I want is to have Disney anywhere near this game.
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Disney is already near DBD, they own Alien.
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No, Disney flips on a dime when it comes to licensing. Hell, the Pinhead/Hellraiser franchise rights are currently owned by Hulu, who are owned by Disney, so is it any wonder why BHVR can no longer sell Pinhead as a licensed character? On top of that, Star Wars is as far from a horror franchise and as main steam Pop-culture as it gets. Thematically No characters from that franchise works in DbD except as a skin (could totally see Doc rocking A Darth Sidious skin, but can't see the character being part of the game).
Honestly, adding Darth Vader to DbD would be seen as less of something that belongs in DbD, and more of a soulless "Cash Grab" made even worse by the fact that it would be directly following the coattails of Fortnite's recent acquisition of the character. Fortnite is all about Pop culture icons, DbD is about Horror Icons, these two are not the same, nor should they be.
BHVR have done a Fantastic job getting so many Licenses for the horror Icons We all know and even some of us grew up with, And that Niche is what Draws so many people to it in the first place. Jumping on the Pop culture bandwagon by bringing a character that doesn't belong thematically at all into DbD, will straight up ruin that. Also putting themselves in Disney's pocket will spell DOOM for BHVR down the line, that is IF they don't take back their license only a few months Afterwards, and screw BHVR over that way, which is the most likely case.
If they do get Darth Vader, they Might as well bring in My Little Pony, Spiderman, or Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty, because this won't be a Horror game anymore… It'll be a joke.
(TBF… Chasing down Twilight Sparkle with a chainsaw does sound funny as hell to me, ngl)
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Hulu only owns the 2022 remake of Hellraiser.
Park Avenue owns all the other movies along with international ownership of the first movie while Clive Barker owns the US rights to the first movie, said first movie being what DBD had the license for with the dlc.
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Most of the movies starting with 3 were Distributed by Buena Vista interactive, another subsidiary of Disney.
If Clive took it back, I'll stand corrected. Still, I don't trust Disney offering licenses towards ANYTHING, and am pretty sure Fortnite will understand why in a year or so here. I just don't want BHVR to make such a callous mistake for the asinine reason of a potential cash grab opportunity.
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If Darth Vader ever comes to DbD, then you can scratch the word "horror" from the game for good. He does NOT fit the game at all and nothing can change that. Not only is Star Wars FAR from horror (as much as I Iike it, it's a fantasy/sci-fi mix made mainly for kids. George Lucas himself said it was made for children), Darth Vader's whole design and theme have nothing to do with horror either. In the case of Demogorgon, Dracula amd Vecna, at least the characters were horror-inspired monsters. Stranger Things and Castlevania still have horror elements and references and D&D literally has instructions on how to make horror campaigns, while the closest thing to a horror element Star Wars ever had was a werewolf mask George Lucas REMOVED from the original movie because he thought it didn't fit, it can't even be seen in legally available versions today.
"But he scary,". He is feared in SW because he is the most famous enforcer of a cruel fascist dictatorship, not because of horror elements in his own character. If being feared and wearing black are all it takes to become a licensed killer, then might as well add Don Corleone, Venom, Agent Smith, The Batman Who Laughs, Hans Landa and the Man in Black from Westworld to the game. Just don't complain if it ends up looking like Fortnite.
"But that Rogue One scene…" ONE scene of a character approaching in the dark doesn't mean they fit into horror. Superman has a similar scene in Superman vs The Elite where he scares the villains like that and Batman does it all the time. And there are versions of them that kill. Does anybody think they would fit into the game? Ghostfreak from Ben 10 and the Man in Black from Westworld (literally the scene that introduces him) have some scene where they look somewhat scary too. Does anybody think they would fit into the game?
If they were to add to the game stuff from a franchise for kids, Goosebumps is right there, it's horror. And if anyone thinks a Star Wars license would bring many new players to the game, think again. Star Wars fans who want related games are playing actual Star Wars games like Battlefront II and Old Republic. None of them would be insterested on playing as Darth Vader only to chase survivors around pallets near a barn and then place them in hooks. It is not the kind of playstile that appeals to that fanbase. It would only make the game less appealing for horror fans.
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I dont see it as cool, just imagining vader as super strong and cool character being some sort of b-tier killer getting bullied by survivors. Just why vader when they can add some zombie inquisitor who can have some powers.
With vader all we will now need will be just neo, john wick and thanos and DBD will be new fortnite or CoD.
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Just give us Jason so mommy can be proud.
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Would fit right in with Disney Star Wars then lol
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You could scratch horror from dbd years ago because there's literally nothing horror about it outside of having horror movie characters in it.
Hell, Vader is more horror than Trickster or Skull Merchant.
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because there's literally nothing horror about it outside of having horror movie characters in it.
That is simply not true. The entire lore about the entity and DbD's world is cosmic horror, and the entity manifests in gameplay too. Also, the maps are horror-themed, survivors scream in terror and leave trails of blood, and even basic elements from the game, like generators and hooks, are inspired by The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The design of original killers is very horror-themed as well, some more than others.
Hell, Vader is more horror than Trickster or Skull Merchant.
No, he isn't. Trickster is literally based on one reallly old and common horror trope, all the way back from Psycho. You may not like his design, I'm not a fan either, but saying it's not horror is simply not true. By the way, the Skull Merchant is based on the same trope, she is just more poorly designed in that regard (because the Trickster still communicates much better the idea of a psychopath with narcisistic traits that enjoys killing), but still shows at least atempts to lean into horror with the skulls that were emphasized so much when she was teased. Either way, the backlash her design received and the praises Unknown's got should already make clear enough that designs that fail to look scary should be avoided. A Star Wars licensed killer would be worst than a character "that doesn't look scary enough", and the problems would go far beyond a bad design, it would be straight up a character already known to be from another genre and have nothing to do with horror, with no horror elements whatsoever, from an IP that is not even remotely close to horror occupying the role that should belong to a horror-themed killer and open a precedent to add other non-horror chapters as well. It would straight up mean the game moving away from horror.
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As a Star Wars fan, I would be down for it. I would buy it and I would play it but also as a Star Wars fan I don't really see the point as you would have to nerf him so hard that anything that makes Darth Vader DARTH VADER would have to be nerfed into oblivion. So, eh.
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Honestly? No. Vader is neither horror nor horror-adjacent. He could work as a skin, but definitely not as a character.
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Sorry but that's a hard no for multiple reasons. Star Wars is not generally known for horror. Darth Vader would be nerfed into the ground just like Venca is from just lore perspective. Seeing a Survivor just shrug off and heal from a lightsaber hit is just a total joke moment. If anything, it would just completely destroy whatever is left of this "horror" game esthetics.
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Again, Clive only owns the US right to the first movie with Park Avenue owning the international rights, the rest are owned by Park Avenue. If Disney owns anything past 3, then that's news to me.
We already have a disney license in the game, it's called Alien.
Also if there was a Star Wars collab in the works, the Cote interview wouldn't be anything to prove that with, as you can never take what he says at face value, since he never directly admits to any collabs currently in the work due to license talks are super confidential and delicate, which is why he is always giving vague or in-direct answers.
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There is better horror media In Star wars than Vader
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honestly? no. i wouldn't want darth vader in the game. due to the media he is from, as well as the aesthetics, he would not fit in the universe of dead by daylight. it would make more sense for star wars to merely be a cosmetic pack of some sort.
going off on a tangent for a moment: i personally miss what dead by daylight used to be thematically and genuinely miss when it didn't have so much content. it's becoming more generic and bloated with each new addition, and it's kind of gotten to the point where it no longer feels like it's own thing. sure, there's no game quite like it in terms of concept, but it now feels like what you'd expect out of a triple A title mainstream game.
while i don't think the game is dying any time soon, it has lost its charm and i can't tell if i'm even enjoying the game for what it is anymore. it's also sad to see that some people share the same notion as me. games are just simply not what they used to be, and it really sucks given that DBD used to be one of my all-time favorite games.. :(
i understand BHVR is in the market of making money. that's the nature of all business. but it's depressing to see the soul in something gradually be sucked away by modern day consumerism.
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I used to like star wars. Ever since the disney takeover i can't stand the movies and havent watched them. But before that, star wars games did sometimes have horror aspects that the movies didn't really show. For example in the movies u see darth vader wait for his storm troopers to pile in clearing out a space ship of rebels, then just pinch chokes someone. But in the force unleashed game you play as him at the start just mass murdering big hairy wookies tossing them all over the place off cliffs like helpless toys. Which made him seem allot more intimidating which puts him closer to something like Vecna level of Horror. So i can see him fitting in the game but can also understand why most would not see him fitting as the movies made him look much weaker and simple than the games did.
As for his lightsaber not instantly killing survivors, theres alredy tons of games where you have to hit people with lightsabers multiple times abd noone really questions those anymore
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In regards to Vader not being as powerful in game as he actually is, it’s the same with Vecna and for lore reasons they say the entity puts its mark on them to limit their power.
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The Force would be stronger than the entity
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Vader, not so much. Grievous on the other hand I could see
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Because they are already close does not mean I want them closer.
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I just don't see why Vader. I know Dracula and Vecna are God scale and could pretty effortlessly decimate the regular human, but Darth Vader well and truly just isn't a character I can imagine getting looped around a wooden board for 3 minutes without frustratingly choking the survivor to death out of spite. At least Wesker is the most iconic representation of RE's corporate despotism and was pulling the strings since the first game, Vader being in DBD would only be for 'Star Wars BIG we are crossover we should get BIGGER'.
In a world where F13 is more on the table than it's ever been, and the licence holders for stuff like Predator are already in the game, I just sorta want those.
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Not really, sorry to say i would not like vader in dbd.
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Star wars isn't a horror movie.
And Vader would probably have little to no cosmetic options.
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Is there a layer of irony I'm missing here? 'Cause Darth Vader is so out of left field that I'm kinda shocked to see 3 separate threads about it.
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Cote said they were thinking about Star Wars or something like that.
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Even so. Darth Vader, of all characters.
Surely he was joking?
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I'd like to think so, but the game does seem to be drifting further and further from horror.
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At this point they can put almost anything in DbD.
Repairing gens at the Death Star as rebels or in stormtrooper disguise while hunted by Vader with Star Wars music - sure.
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Well, at least there's the guarantee that he won't be coming soon, since he's able to talk about it.
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