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Legion
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Who cares about low ranks?
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Thats valid. But I even see more or less notable players complaining about him here on the forums. I've never seen Legion as that much of a threat but I also don't think hes useless.Master said:Who cares about low ranks?
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We don't like him because he doesn't require all of skill and there are no counters to his power, ESPECIALLY will Frank's mixtape.LegitAdventurer said:
Thats valid. But I even see more or less notable players complaining about him here on the forums. I've never seen Legion as that much of a threat but I also don't think hes useless.Master said:Who cares about low ranks?
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It's not that he's op or useless. He's a nuisance and that's about it. If he decides that you're gonna be tunneled then guess what? You're gonna be tunneled hard. That's about all he can do. Other than that yeah he's kinda bad.
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If you're strictly using Frank's Mixed Tape and the other add-on that greatly reduces time on Deep Wounds then they're broken as hell. Frank's Mixed Tape is a broken as hell add-on for rare tier but I'd deem it acceptable for an ultra rare tier.
People that moonwalk with Legion are going to do the thing that no one wants and that is get Legion nerfed so that Deep Wounds doesn't go down in Terror Radius in addition to in chase.
As for their main mechanic, Legion's main weakness during this is that while Frenzy is active they still lack the full mobility of a survivor and can't turn on a dime upon completing a vault. A prime example of this is the half-wall built into the main building of the Asylum itself. Where survivors can vault through the window and immediately turn to the left, squeezing through the opening between the main building and a busted wall, Legion can not. Legion, instead, vaults WAY too far and actually lands up against the wall, meaning they have that much more ground to make up. They are also unable to turn as quickly as a survivor can upon finishing a vault, causing even further delay and allowing the survivor to run that much further.
As for the rest of them, I've had mixed results. It also depends on what you'd call a win. Legion is basically the only killer that can almost guarantee a pip even if you never kill a survivor in addition to netting you 30k bloodpoints. At low ranks, Legion, like Trapper and Leatherface are extremely difficult to deal with. At higher ranks, Legion is the Schrodinger's Cat of killers being simultaneously one of the strongest and weakest killers at the same time. If you are able to recognize the weaknesses of Legion's high mobility in addition to their strengths you can do quite well, but much like Nurse it requires a LOT of mind game, proper predictions, and a hell of a lot of luck. The main difference though is that where Nurse only requires two good guesses as to what a survivor is going to do to counter them, Legion requires MULTIPLE in order to get the down for a single person. This then grants the rest of the survivors that much more time to get generators done, more or less negating Legion's ability to have high mobility to protect the main objectives.
More then most killers Legion can be hardwalled by the ability of the survivors themselves. So if you have a team, even if it's not a SWF, that's even SLIGHTLY coordinated odds are you're going to lose. That said, getting a REAL 4k on Legion and not abusing mechanics, tunneling, camping, etc can be a VERY rewarding feeling, especially against a skilled team.2 -
I really find Legion alot of fun and not for the tunnel/moonwalk concept. I think Legion is really good for focusing control. Running a generator build ruin.pop goes the weasel.overcharge.moniter and abuse1
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I love Legion, it is harder to down the Survivor but once you get good enough and understand their weanesses you can work around that. Legion is really map dependant though, depending where you hit the Survivor during FF you can down them very easy if they don't have a loop near by. Having M&A helps with setting this up because you can catch Survivors off guard.
He isn't OP and he isn't the weakest, he's just complicated, Legion is like a child with heavy anxiety screaming ''I WANT TO KILL YOU BUT CAN'T!!!!'' Then after getting over it they down you.
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Legion. Is the poorest designed killer.... they changed their plan for him and I believe that is why they are in the condition now.... if played as intended you have a killer fighting Freddy for the worse spot... if you don't.......... well you have a killer that ends chases by not even looking at survivors...... its quite the pickle really...4
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Like everyone else has said, he's a disaster of a design.
If he uses Frank Mixtape he's broken and also boring as hell because there's no skill or counter play involved on either side.
If he doesn't use Frank Mixtape he's complete trash and Freddy tier. Somehow they thought chasing someone down as a huntress with no hatchets to down someone was viable.
Then we have the third way where they just Feral Frenzy hit you and then follow your blood. No skill involved on either side and zero counter play.
He's left in a state where it's not fun to play as or against him and if you actually try to play him as the devs intended without Franks Mixtape or using the "follow the blood and stare at the ground cheese strat" he's just completely and utterly unviable.
The devs need to somehow fix the cheesing following the blood strat and simply give him full 115% move speed. This leaves his Feral Frenzy as simply a way for creating pressure and slowing the survivors down. It now gives them incentive to heal because he can actually just M1 them if they don't. His Feral Frenzy also doesn't last long enough to run around spreading the Deep Wounds how they intended.
Unfortunately he's probably going to be left in this terrible state for at least a year from now when they finally decide to go back and rework him again. It would be nice if we just actually released killers in a good state to begin with so we could stop with all these future reworks.
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@LegitAdventurer said:
Low ranks call him OP/unbeatable. High ranks call him the lowest tier/worst killer. So what's the truth? What do you guys feel about Legion?TrU3 is a low rank now? He's brain dead and quite strong in 1v1. Some of his add-ons are stupid strong, too, which is greeeat.
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Can't take the word of low ranks cause they haven't learned the game well enough to properly access their options against a specific killer. Balance from the bottom up leads to serious imbalance when survivors do start performing well.0
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Everyone talks about Legion as a tunneling killer but I'm a total spass when I play him. Maybe its because my two mains before him were Hag and then Spirit. But i just inherited the harassing rubber band style from them and thats how I play Legion.0
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Legion is easy or a nightmare depending on just 1 addon.
A FMT Legion is a huge nightmare period.
Without it though, you can just let him use his ability get the free speed burst then proceed to loop until you get away or he has to hit you several times.
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@fluffybunny said:
@LegitAdventurer said:
Low ranks call him OP/unbeatable. High ranks call him the lowest tier/worst killer. So what's the truth? What do you guys feel about Legion?TrU3 is a low rank now? He's brain dead and quite strong in 1v1. Some of his add-ons are stupid strong, too, which is greeeat.
I uh... I think every killer is braindead and strong in a 1v1. Cause that's the point. Weaker alone, stronger in groups.
Sure you can't loop a 'good' Legion player and you'd die if you were alone. But you can loop a good Trapper and you'd still die because you are in a match with no one to help or repair gens.
I will say though, I hate Lagions. Which I face 75% of the time, 100% of the time.
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I'm high rank and he's broken. Weak if played correctly but broken if you abuse his lack of counterplay.
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Legion is unbalanced. You can't buff him, it'll make him overpowered. You can't nerf him since he's already garbage. He's broken, and the only way to fix this ######### disaster is to rework him from the ground up.
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Even Killer players are ashamed of playing Legion. He is by far the easiest Killer. Today I had a Match vs a Legion where 3 people DCed and I told him that he should not wonder about people DCing when he is using Legion.
He said he only does it for his Daily... Well, had him a few games earlier, also with Legion.Seems like even Killer players are ashamed that they actually play and enjoy Legion. (He is fun to play with tbh, I give you that... But he needs to be reworked, he is terrible for this game).
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@Shad03 said:
@fluffybunny said:
@LegitAdventurer said:
Low ranks call him OP/unbeatable. High ranks call him the lowest tier/worst killer. So what's the truth? What do you guys feel about Legion?TrU3 is a low rank now? He's brain dead and quite strong in 1v1. Some of his add-ons are stupid strong, too, which is greeeat.
I uh... I think every killer is braindead and strong in a 1v1. Cause that's the point. Weaker alone, stronger in groups.
Sure you can't loop a 'good' Legion player and you'd die if you were alone. But you can loop a good Trapper and you'd still die because you are in a match with no one to help or repair gens.
I will say though, I hate Lagions. Which I face 75% of the time, 100% of the time.
When I say 1v1, I mean he'll catch you if he chases you, unless he's bad. It's like having BT applied to you the second he hits you and he can get to you rather quickly. If he doesn't hit you down, you'll fall to the deep wounds. I honestly don't think the screen should get that bloody affect, either. Hard to see stuff.
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@fluffybunny said:
@Shad03 said:
@fluffybunny said:
@LegitAdventurer said:
Low ranks call him OP/unbeatable. High ranks call him the lowest tier/worst killer. So what's the truth? What do you guys feel about Legion?TrU3 is a low rank now? He's brain dead and quite strong in 1v1. Some of his add-ons are stupid strong, too, which is greeeat.
I uh... I think every killer is braindead and strong in a 1v1. Cause that's the point. Weaker alone, stronger in groups.
Sure you can't loop a 'good' Legion player and you'd die if you were alone. But you can loop a good Trapper and you'd still die because you are in a match with no one to help or repair gens.
I will say though, I hate Lagions. Which I face 75% of the time, 100% of the time.
When I say 1v1, I mean he'll catch you if he chases you, unless he's bad. It's like having BT applied to you the second he hits you and he can get to you rather quickly. If he doesn't hit you down, you'll fall to the deep wounds. I honestly don't think the screen should get that bloody affect, either. Hard to see stuff.
Ah. I see. My point still stands any killer can do that, the Legion just happens to have a power that makes it more annoying. The blood covering your screen is supposed to be like that. It's a very annoying reminder that your intestines are leaking out and you need to patch yourself up without any prior medical knowledge.
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Come roast me , I'm a Legion Main ....Dude I can 4K without any addons sometimes even perkless or just his three no wait two useless perks . Discordance is grat at Tier 1/2.
As a legion main and a Jake main , I myself maybe only one hat knows how to Escape a Legion simple , loop a few times till the person loses its ability or stay far away just like Myers Tier 3 , Simple AF but no Survivors wanna be cocky and run up to me ....so that's why rank 1 squeakiest start to rage ..lol I give you a free hatch or exit doesn't mean you can scream at me!0 -
I'm smoking hot you know look at me leather jacket and my countless masks ...aren't I a Deviant!?1
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I enjoy playing Legion lol. I feel pretty good with him. I defintely dont understand the people saying "once Legion finds you he's impossible to lose him" as a survivor I generally don't find losing Legion to be all that tough. And as a Legion player I lose players pretty easily sometimes since i can't see the scratch marks and using the Feral Frenzy blocks off like half your screen lmao.0
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@Captain_Spaulding said:
It's not that he's op or useless. He's a nuisance and that's about it. If he decides that you're gonna be tunneled then guess what? You're gonna be tunneled hard. That's about all he can do. Other than that yeah he's kinda bad.I second this. Gameplay wise he is poorly designed and extremely annoying. There is quite literally no counterplay especially with Frank’s Mix Tape.
I don’t even like Legion cosmetic wise. They’re just your average stupid teenage rebels, nothing special about them.
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@MegMain98 said:
I don’t even like Legion cosmetic wise. They’re just your average stupid teenage rebels, nothing special about them.I hate myself for this, but it has to be done.
Oh The Trapper? He's just every other slasher killer. Nothing special about him. The Nurse? Pfft I'd just go to Silent Hill, the Nurse isn't anything special. The Clown? So what? We got Pennywise to fear, clowns are overdone. What else? Oh. The Spirit is just a mutilated dead woman, I've seen so much of that in every other genre that I could hardly care.
The point is you can't say that anything in this game is 'Just your average [insert thing here]' because EVERYTHING in this game is taking something from somewhere. By your logic, you should (I'm not sure if you do) dislike every killer cosmetic wise. At least the Legion bring to the table four (Okay two, cause Joey and Susie don't have their own voices) different characters you can play. They are the most unique Cosmetic wise.. And before you say it, yes I am probably missing the point. But I'm tired right now and this is the best I can do while in this state.
@MegMain98 said:
I second this. Gameplay wise he is poorly designed and extremely annoying. There is quite literally no counterplay especially with Frank’s Mix Tape.There is a counterplay to him. I've done my fair share of defeating him. As with all the killers except for maybe the Nurse, the Legion gets punished by good survivors. Even I, who am not a good survivor, can run a Legion around for several gens without a scratch occasionally.
FMT just fixes what was a problem in the base kit of the Legion. Which is that his power is laughably weak, I say this despite being a generally successful Legion.
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@Shad03 said:
@MegMain98 said:
I don’t even like Legion cosmetic wise. They’re just your average stupid teenage rebels, nothing special about them.I hate myself for this, but it has to be done.
Oh The Trapper? He's just every other slasher killer. Nothing special about him. The Nurse? Pfft I'd just go to Silent Hill, the Nurse isn't anything special. The Clown? So what? We got Pennywise to fear, clowns are overdone. What else? Oh. The Spirit is just a mutilated dead woman, I've seen so much of that in every other genre that I could hardly care.
The point is you can't say that anything in this game is 'Just your average [insert thing here]' because EVERYTHING in this game is taking something from somewhere. By your logic, you should (I'm not sure if you do) dislike every killer cosmetic wise. At least the Legion bring to the table four (Okay two, cause Joey and Susie don't have their own voices) different characters you can play. They are the most unique Cosmetic wise.. And before you say it, yes I am probably missing the point. But I'm tired right now and this is the best I can do while in this state.
@MegMain98 said:
I second this. Gameplay wise he is poorly designed and extremely annoying. There is quite literally no counterplay especially with Frank’s Mix Tape.There is a counterplay to him. I've done my fair share of defeating him. As with all the killers except for maybe the Nurse, the Legion gets punished by good survivors. Even I, who am not a good survivor, can run a Legion around for several gens without a scratch occasionally.
FMT just fixes what was a problem in the base kit of the Legion. Which is that his power is laughably weak, I say this despite being a generally successful Legion.
All the characters probably took inspiration or are based off of something. The Legion are just teenage rebels, it just doesn’t feel right seeing ANY of them (especially Susie and Julie) single handley demolishing a team with Tapp, David, Adam, and Jeff. Even if they are stronger in the Entity, it doesn’t feel right. My point is they just seem weak compared to the other killers. I just don’t like their look.
Nobody...I repeat, NOBODY is going to say FMT is a fair add-on. You don’t fix something that is wrong with a killer by making a broken add-on. Legion needs a complete rework. FMT makes the broken Legion even more broken.
There is no counterplay. Zero. Sure you can escape but if the Legion wants to make your round awful then they will. It’s stab, stab, fatigue, stab, fatigue, stab, hook, stay nearby the hook, stab, stab, tunnel, hook again...etc. This is just how I see a LOT of Legion players play them.
Running the killer around doesn’t equal counterplay. At least with a Nurse you can attempt to make her mindgame herself and predict wrong. Trapper? Easy, disarm his traps. Wraith? A flashlight will burn him. Myers? Break line of sight and stay far away from him in EW III. Doctor? Calm Spirit makes his power pretty useless. Hag? Flashlights and Urban Evasion. Legion? Nothing you can do but endure 28 stabs. Legion is just flat out broken and annoying especially with FMT.
I can’t really argue with somebody who is a Legion main.
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i just don't see point of 90% of perks on his bloodweb cause can't use them well. I would rather have options on legion that make creative builds. That way don't care if legion is nerfed cause i could think hey maybe didn't pick fun set of perks. Normal speed takedowns aint that fun of a buff. I do feel i can use exposed perks better but it still feels i can only use this set cause stubborn to not use his power. I like spirit not only for her design but because she is queen of perk variety. It was just sad to have a killer with so much variety just for the next one to have none of that.
@MegMain98 i agree legion is a bit poor cosmetic wise and they acted like they gave us 4 of them at start. They even promoted 4 of them all the way in reveal. I finnally get to see susie and have to 200 hour grind for her outfit. The prestige only gives us bloody cosmetic of the two also. So find it bit insulting them saying gave us 4 original killers from get go. The legion is not best looking cosmetic but it does have the looking like a survivor in mask going for it to enjoy. Know means less cool animated cosmetics like other killers unless they get daft punk masks in future. One of them could wear a light up rave hoodie cause that can be an animated thing. But both ideas might take away from horror vibe or maybe work like in the purge movies.0 -
@MegMain98 said:
All the characters probably took inspiration or are based off of something. The Legion are just teenage rebels, it just doesn’t feel right seeing ANY of them (especially Susie and Julie) single handley demolishing a team with Tapp, David, Adam, and Jeff. Even if they are stronger in the Entity, it doesn’t feel right. My point is they just seem weak compared to the other killers. I just don’t like their look.Nobody...I repeat, NOBODY is going to say FMT is a fair add-on. You don’t fix something that is wrong with a killer by making a broken add-on. Legion needs a complete rework. FMT makes the broken Legion even more broken.
There is no counterplay. Zero. Sure you can escape but if the Legion wants to make your round awful then they will. It’s stab, stab, fatigue, stab, fatigue, stab, hook, stay nearby the hook, stab, stab, tunnel, hook again...etc. This is just how I see a LOT of Legion players play them.
Running the killer around doesn’t equal counterplay. At least with a Nurse you can attempt to make her mindgame herself and predict wrong. Trapper? Easy, disarm his traps. Wraith? A flashlight will burn him. Myers? Break line of sight and stay far away from him in EW III. Doctor? Calm Spirit makes his power pretty useless. Hag? Flashlights and Urban Evasion. Legion? Nothing you can do but endure 28 stabs. Legion is just flat out broken and annoying especially with FMT.
I can’t really argue with somebody who is a Legion main.
I mean, there is the Hag. I don't care how much the Entity is helping her, her weak bone structure, size, and... Well Haggard appearance would make picking up someone like Dwight impossible, let alone Jeff. You can't say she is different from The Legion either, in fact, her case makes her worse then the Legion as she is obviously physically weaker.
Okay, I'll concede that Franks Mixtape is a bad add on, however I say it should remain, but change it's rarity.
Legion. ironically, shares the Nurse's weakness. LoS breaking while uninjured, and pure jukes while injured. As a Legion in their current state yeah, you're incentified to tunnel and camp, but so is every other killer who suffers similar problems.
I've answered this but I suppose I'll say it again. He suffers Nurse's weakness of Line of Sight Breaker weakness. He can't follow uninjured survivors well, and if you are extremely lucky, he wouldn't be carrying Bloodhound on him. (I run this perk all the time when I can on different killers.)
I am not necessarily a Legion main. I just like the Legion because they are people I can put myself in, I can identify with them. I am a Trapper Main, but I find myself playing more Legion as time goes on.
I love Legion, but I do agree they do need a rework since anything done to buff or nerf them will make them the single worst killer in the game on any account.
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