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Please update her. We tried communicating this for months on our end with no response. (Even in PTB)
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100% for sure.
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I dunno if that dude has never played vs onryo or what. I've only ever been condemn killed once and it was on The Game, I was extremely drunk and it was extremely embarrassing. All you have to do is turn off the TV near your gen. You can even hold onto the tape.
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Exactly. You literally don't have to go anywhere. She is just going to teleport elsewhere anyways. Just go back to your gen. You have a full 70 seconds. The tape doesn't punish you at all. Completely free.
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This is literally just untrue lol I have hundreds of hours on onryo btw. If you are letting survivors take the tapes out, maybe prioritize using the TVs when they are off cooldown. They can't take tapes out of a TV that isn't on. Onryo is not played like your average killer. Her slowdown and subsequent pressure is with the tapes. Even if you have to drop chase to apply a stack, it's in your best interest to do so. Since all the survivors spawn together, it is practically impossible for all 4 survivors to immediately grab tapes once the TVs turn on initially. Pretending like Onryo doesn't have any agency in using her own TVs is just incorrect and putting the blame solely on inefficient gameplay rather than trying to adapt.
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Having essentially a built in Franklin's demise until you deposit a tape is pretty massive I'd say.
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Franklin's does more than just disable your item, you know. Dropping it means you have to survive the chase or get hooked, waste precious objective time to retrieve the item, and then go use it again, with the additional issue of the killer knowing where the item is (and thus being able to hinder your ability to retrieve the item, especially with trap killers) and anticipating you retrieving it.
Onryo's tapes are taken by choice, often in times where the item is not needed (ie: after depleting a toolbox which takes at most 25 seconds, when healthy for medkits, literally any time for flashlights, when on cooldown for the 3 other items) and can be safely deposited in the corresponding TV whenever the survivor needs the item again, unless they get chased and hooked... which also destroys the tape, allowing use of the item again. This argument was dumb when people claimed Sadako was OP in Blood Moon and is still stupid now, because it doesn't actually reflect real gameplay against current Sadako.
There's also some discussion to be had about how Syringes completely counter this, but that's neither here nor there.
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Excuse me, but how the HECK do you propose someone performs an ambush without even a smidge of stealthy play?
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But when you do this, you are 1) wasting time teleporting around just for the sake of teleporting and shutting off that TV. and 2) wasting that resource for when you might really need it later and 3) you're also shutting off a source of condemn that could apply to survivors.
But that therein is the problem. It's a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario. If you teleport around and shut off all of your TVS, sure, the survivors can't get a tape from a TV and shut them off for EVEN LONGER … but then you've got no power. You've wasted loads of time and thrown all your mobility away for little to nothing. If you try to conserve your TVs, then that allows the survivors to shut them off anyway and lower their condemn.
There is practically no downside to survivors taking your tapes and shutting off your TVs. But there are downsides everywhere when you project or choose not to project.
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Yeah... Sadako is a little fangless atm, especially as the current wave of Power Creep keeps getting more and more prevalent. Survivor has had a slew of healing buffs that specifically wreck her required hit and run playstyle... I've seen several Sadako's have to resort to heavy slugging to get any kind of Condemn pressure.
It's the same thing as Huntress, the timings for Survivor have just gotten better and better and better, and despite the Sadako being the same/unchanged, they've been nerfed by proxy as the other side keeps getting better and better and mives the goalposts away from them. No one notices/talks about it, cause the killer side keeps getting newer and stronger dash heavy toys to play with that distracta everyone and fuels the Power Creep even more.
Can't really blame BHVR... this is what people keep asking for. I knew several people who kept fighting it, but pointing out what people don't wanna hear often leads to being ratio'd. They always want bigger and stronger perks, faster and more lethal killers... we're in an era where almost nothing gets nerfed, everything gets buffed, and it results in classic Power Creep.
I was fortunate that my main Pig got updates to at least keep in line with the Power Creep (though I feel more perk dependant and less build flexible than ever, I am at least pretty much where I was before in terms of strength). Sadako didn't get the same memo unfortunately.
Tbh, I'm not really sure what to do for Sadako right now. She's got a bit of the Legion problem... trying to make her effective against good survivors, makes her utterly steam roll against regular Survivors.... and the other issue is we've had 3 distinct versions of Sadako, and everyone's got a different opinion of what she should be.
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This argument isn't stupid because you are working under the false idea that survivors will always get to pick up a tape when they want. Using a toolbox at the beginning of the match is no different with Onryo tapes and real franklins. I'm talking about healing with a medkit if she drops chase, I'm talking using a flashlight or a map or a key. Having to run all the way across the map and potentially getting put into harms way is the core strength of both the tapes and Franklin's.
The point is at a critical juncture of the match where an item can be used, say a flashlight to save a teammate, if you are holding a tape, there is nothing you can do to save your fellow survivor. That is infinitely more impactful on the match than "having to run back to your item." If that flashlight blind would have prevented a sacrifice or a tunnel, that is way more valuable in terms of survivor time efficiency.
I have no idea why you're bringing up syringes, which is the most broken survivor addon right now, as a defense that this interaction doesn't favor onryo.
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It's not a lose lose situation. If you are applying condemned, it is in your favor. That is not "wasting time." Since her tapes serve two purposes, it is a trade off to what you use them for. Either run the risk of saving them to teleport and not have them if a survivor wants to remove a tape, or use them on your own authority as fast as you can so you can apply condemned without the risk of tape retrievals. It's simple game theory. It's this idea that you NEED to use them for map traversal that is holding some players back. Your pressure should come from condemned. You don't need to force survivors off a generator by teleporting to it, have your condemned stacks do it for you, which forces them to run through the map to find a tape and deposit it.
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Exactly. You are also right. The design is very problematic. It makes playing the killer unfun for sure. I love her, but we need a better design. This one just isn’t cutting it.
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You have made several good points and you’re right thankfully with Ms Piggy 🐽 you have the opportunity of bypassing this frustration but to be fair you have gone through your time of frustrations with her lol.
Now, apparently I must go through mine with Sadako once more. I’m looking forward to Teams Insights regarding Sadako and her current design. I do hope we can muster up something for her. As mentioned even a preview design sneak peek 👀 such as being done with Skull Merchant/Trickster would really be helpful. I understand she’s a little tricky to balance due to her uniqueness and I very much would like to keep her identity faithful to her.We must makes some changes for her and no pun intended but I am “All Ears” 👂 to hear what the devs think, their thoughts and opinions based on this topic at hand.
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That's a big "if". IF you are applying condemned. But it's a very simple matter of turning off the TV next to you to prevent getting condemned stacks.
I do main Onryo myself by the way, and typically the most common way I end up getting enough stacks to mori someone is by teleporting on top of a survivor mid chase. This tends to work because the survivor I am chasing of course had no opportunity to turn off the TV they just got near. And other survivors who are working on gens are lulled into a false sense of security thinking I am not going to hit them with more stacks simply because I am currently in chase.
I find that typically when I teleport just for the sake of teleporting, survivors very quickly run to the TV nearest them and shut it off.
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I would rather have a high chance of the "if" happening than a tape being removed by a survivor.
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This is also very true. I do this myself as Sadako. Also though, when I am survivor, I just casually shut off tvs. It’s really not wasting much of my time because by every tv is a gen. I’ll just dump my toolbox in it. 🤷🏼♂️
You made some good points for sure.0
