Billy might need a nerf to his insta saw
Too op. Running around slugging and snowballing. I wish I didn’t have to say this but it’s getting out of hand. 0-2 gens done max anytime this happens. It’s broken. Way broken. That kind of map pressure and still slugging everyone out smh. If you want “gen rush “ addressed , I want this addressed.
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But what if insta saw is the counter to gen rush? :omegathunk:
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How’s it a counter to gen rush if they’re slugging and not even being gen rushed? Slugging before a single gen is even done.
:omegathunk:
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Sike... Goodbye
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Noch Billy and Nurse need needs so that we can finally start working on general changes
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Get better you noob. You got used to ther killers that cant do ######### in a decent match of Dead by Daylight
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Great, let's keep it like that and have no general balance changes because that would break the game for these 2 top killers then, what a great idea.
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So survivors are the only ones with broken things 👌
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Everything other than obsession ds is fine
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You mean NOED, billy and nurse?
If so I agree. Nerf these 3 things and it becomes much easier to justify buffs to all other killers. The problem they have right now is that all these killer buffs just results in noed billy and nurses becoming more OP. Especially at rank 1 where people know how to play these killers.
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Borrowed Time giving you a ton of free escapes out of bad situations, selfcare being more effective at healing the entire team up once you hit more than 2 ppl while giving more safety than a lump of survivors healing each other, Adrenawin rendering m1 killers without NOED helpless in endgame and enabling the hard genrush.
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NOED does not need nerfs, the problem is that NOED works too well on Billy and Nurse which would be obsolete if you nerfed those guys and finally adjusted their power to the current DBD.
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Bruh okay swap teams go to red ranks survivor and tell me how much fun you’re having when 90% of the Billy’s are slugging and snowballing and you have no choice but to either hide while your teammates die or run for the unhook to get slugged, then he slugs the next . Did I mention no gens are done? It’s BROKEN. I don’t run ooo , ds, or flashlights. I’m talking about people playing busted billy. Like I said I wish I didn’t feel like I felt the need to address it Bc billy is great for map pressure and when you are getting gen rushed. The fact he can down and out an entire team before a single gen and going for a save causes a massive snowball that you can’t recover from is so broken. It’s broken and it’s “game changing” Bc there’s no real counter for it. You have three options
- watch your entire team get slugged then snowballed
- go for a save and become the snowball
- or wait there is no three Bc there’s no coming back from it. Besides hoping you can do two gens before he finds you and becoming part of the three man hangout Bc he slugged.
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Remove the insta chainsaw addons.
Chainsaw has a power gauge similar to spirit.
There, done.
I can't think of something for nurse right now besides not seing scratchmarks during and shortly after the teleport so you can actually juke her.
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Insta chainsaw? So he has NO charge up time?
Just click M2 and the saw goes off?
Really?^^
(I like how survivor call everything "insta" or "free". XD )
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Mclean did say on his stream that Billy charge add ons will be looked at and probably changed eventually.
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@Thaznar this is why people can’t have nice things, they want to do incredibly broken things Bc they can, and ruin it for everyone else. I was fine with billy before this whole slug before a single gen became a thing. You got a 4K before a single gen, they can’t argue it’s not broken. These are red ranks. Idk man but something needs to get done about it, Bc it’s too much , and it’s not rare either , it’s common.
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You mean Insta-heals, brand new parts, purple flashlights, any exhaustion perk, adrenaline...?
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I say insta Bc it’s an insta down and not a two hit. Meaning once you’re hit it’s instant “insta” stop knit picking it’s not a good look.
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So you are not complaining about the add ons, but actually about the whole MAIN POWER??
XD
That is even funnier.^^
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Oh wait wait wait.
I thought you were saying the addons that give him to use his power instantly. You are talking about his base power?
Sorry bud but no, without insta down, he would be #########.
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bnp isn’t even a thing anymore and they don’t do anything serious at all period, that was soo long ago. I’m talking about now issues.
flashlights at this point are just annoying Bc 98% of the time they don’t work and can be avoided by simply looking up or to the side. I play killer also so I know. I’m a survivor main but that doesn’t mean I don’t play killer and know how incredibly weak flashlights are now.
They can nerf insta heals idrc I only use them very very rarely for lulz on myself to just get rid of them.
Adrenaline=noed in my book they are two sides of the same coin.
exhaustion perks are to help with chases killers have plenty of 1 hit perks and addons and I feel like they cancel each other out as far as balance.
I’m talking about busted billy.
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Im a killer mwin that wants general buffs to killers which ATM is not feasible because of our lul we're fundamentally better at everything than other killers cases
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@MhhBurgers something needs to be done, idk what. You’re idea might work/help. Tweaking the addons idk, but jeezus.
As far as nurse I still don’t feel like she’s as bad as billy. I rarely see nurses play like that. You can still mind game her blinks even out in the open as long as you juke unpredictabily, if your decent at stealth she’s not that big of an issue. She’s only bad when she’s cross mapping the hook imho. Which they usually don’t Bc most of them are keeping gen pressure.
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He just needs a recharge on his chainsaw to stop him whizzing around and tunneling, and maybe have his chainsaw charge slow him down a bit like LF so that he can't just casually walk behind a survivor and instadown them.
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Also thought that you mean the Add-On combination, which is referred to as "Instasaw".
But even with Instasaw, Billy is fine. The only thing that MIGHT need a nerf is his penalty when bumping into Objects, maybe a little bit higher penalty, but also not necessary.
Even though I would be happy if the Chainsaw Hitboxes would be fixed, some hits are simply ridiculous. (Same goes for Leatherface, I get stuck on the tiniest Stone, he ignores Walls, Trees, Tires next to him...)
Overall, yeah, Billy is the Killer with the least Skill needed, when compared to the other two Top Tier-Killers (Nurse, Spirit), but this is alright. You should not need to play thousands of hours to play a Killer decent, with decent Power.
Other than that, the other Killers should close the gap to Billy by getting Buffs so that there are more viable options than Hillbilly out of the easier Killers.
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No no I don’t mind his insta down saw base power at all. It’s the addons with slugging + hook chasing. It’s a playstyle that’s broken.
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lol i do play on rank 1
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You complained about a lot of things that were changed and are incredibly weak now but are apparently still an issue for you. Learn some counter play
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And Im talking about all the BS that killers have to face until this game is balanced.
BNP = Half a gen done, equip 4 of those and your are done in less than 4 min.
Adrenaline is definitely not the same as NOED, NOED can be stopped from happening. Adrenaline cant be stopped unless you know a survivor is using it and you tunnel him until he is dead.
Some exhaustion perks like SB, Dead Hard pretty much demolish some killer's powers so I dont see how that's balanced.
Busted Billy is the only way to counter all that BS and I love him for that. How about we buff all killers to his level instead of nerfing the only viable killer that can bury SWF groups?
If all killers would be at his Tier Level we wouldnt see so many people running the same perks and stealth would become meta as it once was. Those people who have a problem with Billy or any other killer besides Nurse dont know how to play the game. Let me tell you that I also play as survivor and I know what survivors are capable of because I play SWF and I know how broken they can be. If you are playing solo survivor you should already know that the killer is not the problem, rank system is.
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lol how the hell he can do that unless all for 4 survivors are running in front of him?
Survivors fault. Here some tips on how to play against Billy effectively :
1 ) Play Billy yourself
2) Equip Sprint burst and once he s at you sprint to loop spot.
3)Drop pallets dont be too greedy . I main Billy currently and survivors are too greedy to drop even a single pallet even though they injured
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Billy is the most balanced killer in the game. And if you put the most tryhard and sweaty swf survivors in a lobby with the most tryhard and sweaty billy: 1k-2k max, because survivors still rule this game and if they decide to rush the living ######### out of you they will do it and they will succeed. No matter what. Period.
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I’m not going to tell you what builds they’re running to achieve this if you don’t already know. Bc the last thing I want as a survivor is a bunch of copy cats, but it’s super ez with right perk build.
im not weak to all Billy’s at red ranks, it’s busted billy. And maybe I don’t want to become a swf hit squad so why are y’all trying to pressure me into something you hate so much to be viable against a red rank op killer build? You want me to make your life miserable? Is that what you’re saying?
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Just take no mither, it's a counter both to insta downs and slugging
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@master I’ve been bringing unbreakable more but I can’t bring it for my whole team bud. Not a swf hit squad. Just a solo player.
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I made a topic about this a while ago, of course all the killer mains came out of the woodwork saying that I should git gud and instasaw is fine.
I agree, it should be nerfed, and the rarity of it should be changed. I think that will happen sometime this year. I remember McLean talking about taking a look at the Hillbilly's addons a while ago.
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BNP is 15%, not half a gen.
25% if you manage to get both skillchecks.
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If op talks about addons i 100% agree but i think he s talknig about addonless Billy
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Op “she” just for future reference is definitely talking about the addons , someone else said I wasn’t then everyone just assumed. I’m talking about the addons with “the build” and any slugging snowballing busted billy knows exactly what build I’m talking about.
I have no beef with the addons separate from the build or vise versa. It’s the combination. Since you can’t change the perks Bc of one character Bc the way they become op with those addons, they’ll have to change the addons. And I hate it for anyone that likes the addons and doesn’t take full advantage of this but it’s too much. It’s too much together.
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The devs need to do only 1 thing to fix him. REMOVE HIS 1-SHOT.
He will still be 2nd best killer in the game, he will still be viable only bacuse of the insane mobility whoever disagrees with this has no idea what a decent+ billy can do.
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BNP is a QUARTER of a gen.
90% of the time I use Adrenaline and it triggers I am already healthy and nowhere near the killer. Half the time we never even get all the gens done. SO BROKEN.
Dead Hard can very easily be countered once you realize they have it by waiting a second. It lasts literally .5 seconds and you move a very small distance forward. Also you complained about all exhaustion perks. So now BL and Lithe are fine?
Have you ever thought about perhaps getting good?
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I don't know what the solution is. But he is boring AF to play against. Instadown, hook, bbq and sprint, instadown, sprint back to the guy who was hooked first. Yawn.
I don't know what the answer is. I get why killers don't want him nerfed. But man is he boring to go up against.
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I feel like the most balanced Killers are The Hag and The Huntress. They’re my favourite to play too. All of the other Killers need to be nerfed/buffed to their level.
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@KillerRaccoon hag is really good in the right hands. She can be a total nightmare. There’s some hag builds that make me go ######### with the way they are used, but it’s so rare that I digress a feel no need to call for a nerf. She needed the love tbh and I love a good hag main.
Huntress ehh I feel like they could buff her a little bit. I’m not sure how, but I think it would make a lot of people happy, I like to go against her, and I’m sure the mains would be happy about a buff, idk what but as a survivor she feels significantly weaker to go up against imho compared to other killers. I’d like to see her more.
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I have the most fun versing billy's, most fun and fair killer to verse, and I know he's high tier so I do my best to buy as much time as possible but use as less pallets as possible.
But by that logic, "yawn is it boring to verse survivors, they do gens and escape. YAWN, so boring, yaaaaaawn"
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Nope. Unless SWF gets some substantial nerf, strong killers and their powers are needed.
And that fantasy about buffing the other killers, I bet it's never happening. Killers are already slaughtering everybody at the low ranks as they are now. Buffing killers would mean 100% kill rate at those ranks.
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I agree, Billy is balanced (most if the time) since his weakness is looping. We could add another weakness but I dont know if we can do that without butchering the character. For me, the most balanced killers are Huntress, Hag and Spirit. I would put Nurse there due to her learning curve but even then she still practically ignores everything in the game. As for the addons you're talking about, they need nerfs. Maybe have it so that charge time can't stack or something. That would solve the problem without making the addons useless.
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They already nerfed insta saw when they changed tinker
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Most balanced killer in the game. Literally outshines every killer in the game aside from nurse. If you think it's feasible for the devs to buff every other killer who are fundamentally are going to be weaker than billy then I have bad news for you.
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