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De-Pip Squad lose tournament

RemoveSWF
RemoveSWF Member Posts: 509
in General Discussions

After two draws, the De-Pip Squad lost 7-9 to Russian team Tournament Monsters.

Cue excuses, rage and crying from Marth fanboys.

I congratulate and welcome our new Russian overlords.

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  • Easylife
    Easylife Member Posts: 163

    Was there some controversy over something to do with a hatch stand off?
    I'm in the UK and only just woke up but I was in Cahlaflowers channel just now and the gist of it was something to do with a hatch and commentators not knowing the rules or something.
    Anyone know what happened?

  • Easylife
    Easylife Member Posts: 163

    By "saw it first" do you mean got to it first?
    Because without a body ON the hatch it's almost impossible to decide who saw it first with their eyes.

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  • Might_Oakk
    Might_Oakk Member Posts: 1,243

    @RemoveSWF said:

    @Easylife said:
    Was there some controversy over something to do with a hatch stand off?
    I'm in the UK and only just woke up but I was in Cahlaflowers channel just now and the gist of it was something to do with a hatch and commentators not knowing the rules or something.
    Anyone know what happened?

    There was a stupid rule involving a hatch standoff - the person who saw the hatch first wins the game. They both saw it at the same time, the game ended in a draw with two deaths and two escapes.

    This led to a rematch with Marth as killer (Nurse, obviously) and another draw - two escapes and two kills. Tournament Monsters played killer next, killed three with one escape.

    De-Pip Squad lost fair and square.

    I thought when they explaine it they said it wasn't a hatch stand off because the hatch wasn't open?

    To me it would be a stand off since they are both standing at the hatch waiting for it to open.

  • Easylife
    Easylife Member Posts: 163
    edited June 2018

    Then there shouldn't of been any controversy but there is.
    My guess is this happened:

    • Marth get's to hatch first and thinks he's won. (to avoid hatch stand off rule is that first to hatch wins)
    • Survivor arrives at hatch and Marth hits him.
    • Survivor jumps into hatch.
    • Survivor officially "wins".

    This would cause controversy.
    If they we're both at the hatch and the killer hit the survivor and the survivor jumps into it and escapes being the rules then noone would be angry at that but they ARE angry for some reason (not me).

  • Zagrid
    Zagrid Member, Alpha Surveyor Posts: 1,000

    @RemoveSWF said:

    @Easylife said:
    Was there some controversy over something to do with a hatch stand off?
    I'm in the UK and only just woke up but I was in Cahlaflowers channel just now and the gist of it was something to do with a hatch and commentators not knowing the rules or something.
    Anyone know what happened?

    There was a stupid rule involving a hatch standoff - the person who saw the hatch first wins the game. They both saw it at the same time, the game ended in a draw with two deaths and two escapes.

    This led to a rematch with Marth as killer (Nurse, obviously) and another draw - two escapes and two kills. Tournament Monsters played killer next, killed three with one escape.

    De-Pip Squad lost fair and square.

    I want to see a rule book that said all the crap they had. Also, they are hardly the people to know what counts as "fair" They have less than 100 hours in the game.

  • Easylife
    Easylife Member Posts: 163

    @MonsieurGary said:
    I quote: ''Marth came up to the closed hatch. A second later, the last survivor found it. Marth hit him. The hatch then opened, and the survivor got out. According to the rules, whoever finds the hatch first in a standoff gets the point. They, however, decided to make up a new rule that "The Hatch has to be open".

    Now it makes sense.

  • Soren
    Soren Member Posts: 369

    https://clips.twitch.tv/SpikyTacitVelociraptorTwitchRaid

    Here's the clip, for anyone who wants to make their opinion.

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  • DocOctober
    DocOctober Member Posts: 2,230

    @ZombieGenesis said:
    You play to the bell. Never assume the game is over. Also, I don't consider it a "stand off" when one party is attacking. That's not a stand off.

    It was a stand-off for several seconds. A stand-off doesn't have a defined time frame.

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  • Easylife
    Easylife Member Posts: 163
    edited June 2018

    @Soren said:
    https://clips.twitch.tv/SpikyTacitVelociraptorTwitchRaid

    Here's the clip, for anyone who wants to make their opinion.

    That survivor clearly knows where the hatch is but he cannot stand ON it because Marth will hit him and down him before it opens so he had no choice to wait NEAR it.
    Marth get's ON the hatch first (while it's closed) then the survivor moves to it as it opens, Marth then (mistakenly imo) hits him and he jumps in.

    I'd of given that to the survivor if I was the judge, this crap really shows why we NEED the "close the hatch" mechanic added to the game ASAP.
    They felt the need to make up extra "hatch stand off rules" because of how stupid the hatch stand off is in the current game.

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  • Easylife
    Easylife Member Posts: 163
    edited June 2018

    Here's what I think was going through Math's head if I had to guess:

    Oh, whoever gets to the hatch first wins, I'm stood on this closed hatch and that survivor is over there near the tree, I WIN!
    I'll just hit him for fun, wait what? I lost?!

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  • Zagrid
    Zagrid Member, Alpha Surveyor Posts: 1,000

    The real problem is that they asked a team of people to host a tournament who don't even have 100 hours in the game. If this logic is applied I should be about 5* better to do the job of hosting a tournament.

  • Fizz
    Fizz Member Posts: 71

    Alright, firstly. I have never watched Marth nor really know who he is other than he's a DbD streamer. So with that said I feel like from watching the clip that it was a clear hatch standoff which he won. The problem comes down to the "officials" not understanding the rules quick enough to call the match when it happened. Simple as that.

    The steam I was supporting before anyone says anything was Pallet Justice who where knocked out at this point.

  • PigNRun
    PigNRun Member Posts: 2,428
    Smelly fanboys everywhere in here.
  • Usui
    Usui Member Posts: 531

    There were so many marth fanboys in an uproar, biased as hell. I could care less which team won, but from my perspective marth straight up messed up. The hatch wasn't open yet, the death animation was still going for the other guy, he decided to swing on the guy after the hatch opens, he lost. Simple as that. Watch the clip he had plenty of time to smack him down and hook him while the other guys death animation was going on. Or just wait for it to open then its a "stand off"

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  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @RemoveSWF said:
    After two draws, the De-Pip Squad lost 7-9 to Russian team Tournament Monsters.

    Cue excuses, rage and crying from Marth fanboys.

    I congratulate and welcome our new Russian overlords.

    Russia vs NA? Bet the ping was spicy :lol:

  • Tills
    Tills Member Posts: 14

    The problem comes down to the hosts not knowing their own rules. You wouldn't put someone who didn't know the rules of football in charge of refereeing a football match.

    Fault lies with the hosts. Not to mention the commentary was absolutely awful.

  • Usui
    Usui Member Posts: 531

    @Tills said:
    The problem comes down to the hosts not knowing their own rules. You wouldn't put someone who didn't know the rules of football in charge of refereeing a football match.

    Fault lies with the hosts. Not to mention the commentary was absolutely awful.

    No that's not the problem. The problem is everyone is blaming the tournament for marth's CLEAR mistake. You can talk about how bad the tournament was but that has nothing to do with this particular incident.

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  • Karon
    Karon Member Posts: 15

    Holy ######### it's insane how many people in here love to suck russian dick

  • lay
    lay Member Posts: 25
    edited June 2018

    @only1biggs said:
    It's really simple. Marth ######### up and got a 2nd chance, then they lost that too.

    When Marth got to the hatch, he should have downed her and picked her up. He had 4-5 seconds of just standing there like a pleb. Time which could have been used to hit her, wipe and then pick up. All of that before the hatch even opened. This is the reality of what happened.

    I agree, he tried to force the standoff rule which i'm sure the person who came up with this rules did not account for that situation but still he should've swung at the survivor and not try to force bad rules.

  • Abyssionknight
    Abyssionknight Member Posts: 69

    If this wasn't a tournament, Marth wouldn't have swung. For that matter, he wouldn't have just stopped on the hatch if it was a real match, but would have continued to move forward and down the claudette before she could get that close to the hatch. The only reason he would stop and stand on the hatch / swing in that situation is if he thought he'd won.

    It's clearly a case of poorly written rules.

    You can definitely argue that Marth should have waited just to be sure, or should have asked for clarification before hand, but if a rule can be misinterpreted that easily, especially in a final, then I think it's entirely valid for fans to be upset.

  • EpicFailTryHard
    EpicFailTryHard Member Posts: 1,316
    tournaments in general are stupid.  playing with mics being first and foremost with this tournament.  at least, from what i have heard, that is the case.  then, all the things that make the game the game itself are taken out.  just...not my thing.
  • Paddy4583
    Paddy4583 Member Posts: 864
    Dragonredking said:

    The tournament caster didn't even know the hillbilly could sprint
    Letting that sink in for a few minute.

    My personal favourite was the nurses.... dash punches 🤔
    these guys were horrendous and the whole thing was a ######### show. Should be re done completely 
  • Paddy4583
    Paddy4583 Member Posts: 864
    Nick said:

    Why didnt Marth just hit him instantly? He even had time to pick her up????

    Because he misunderstood the hatch rule as did many other people during this 12 hour parody of a tournament 
  • Might_Oakk
    Might_Oakk Member Posts: 1,243

    USA

    USA

    USA

  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223
    edited June 2018

    I laugh at the fact people run tournaments for this game WITH MONEY ON THE LINE.

    Compared to actual eSports this game is a joke. All these tournaments do is highlight how broken the game actually is.

    Seriously Mario Party has more eSport potential than this game.

  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @thesuicidefox said:
    I laugh at the fact people run tournaments for this game WITH MONEY ON THE LINE.

    Compared to actual eSports this game is a joke. All these tournaments do is highlight how broken the game actually is.

    Seriously Mario Party has more eSport potential than this game.

    If this tournament proved one thing, then that DBD devs cant organize an official tournament and the game is not ready for a compeitive event yet

  • Abyssionknight
    Abyssionknight Member Posts: 69

    @only1biggs said:
    The rules could have been clearer, sure. But we wouldn't be talking about the rules or the hatch or what constitutes a "stand off" if Marth hadn't messed up.

    This is where we disagree.

    If Marth had lunged for the survivor, or blink lunged, and he had somehow missed, that survivor could have made it to the hatch and jumped in, or at least been on top of the hatch first the instant it opened, automatically giving them the win.

    The smart play on Marth's part was to stay on the hatch. There's a 100% win chance for Marth if he gets into a stand off, and 0% chance for the survivor. Every other scenario you can imagine at that moment had at least a small chance of Marth missing his swing, and the survivor getting into the hatch. So the optimal play was to enter into a hatch stand off.

    So if you knew the hatch had to be opened to count as a stand off, then Marth clearly made a mistake. If you didn't know the hatch had to be opened, and just used the normal hatch stand off definition, then Marth made the right play, and had already won when he hit that survivor. That's where the issue lies.

    I personally think Marth should have waited until the hatch opened to hit the survivor, just so there would be no dispute of whether or not he won. Personally I think Marth tried to hit the survivor the instant the hatch opened, and was a half second early. The rule was so poorly written that if they were both on the hatch, it opened, and the survivor jumped in without Marth hitting them, there was no clear definition of whether that would be a stand off and Marth's win, the survivors. Hell, you could even argue that the hatch rule was vague enough that, even in the downed state, the rule as written would have counted Marth as the winner, since they were both at the open hatch, and Marth was there first (even though under no real circumstances would a downed survivor reaching hatch ever count as a stand off).

    So while I think it's valid to honour the intent of the rule and give the survivor the win in that match, I also think it's fair to simultaneously view the rule itself as total garbage that ultimately cost Marth the win. If most of the tournament participants, and most of the viewers, misunderstood your rule, then you wrote a bad rule.