De-Pip Squad lose tournament

KeeperReaper

Im surprised how this thread is still up, I also can't tell if some of the participants in this world war 3 are baiting hate or just people with an iq lower than a potato. It's not like they should've been dq'ed ages before the finals for lag switching(inc its just 'lag' replies), but whatever. Just lock this thread and get your damage/quality control in order behaviour, its been 3 days already.

MeowLux

Even if they won the hatch standoff and even if they won the rematch. They do NOT qualify for winning the tournament. If the rules were followed, they would've been disqualified. It doesn't matter how many times they won the overtime and how many times they "won" the hatch standoff. They already would've gotten disqualified before the finals. As the rules said; "Once 1 team has their full 4 person survivor roster in the lobby a 10 minute timer starts, after 10 minutes the killer for the opposing team will be forfeited if he/she does not show up to start the match. On the dot. No exceptions." They took longer than 10 minutes, therefore they would've gotten disqualified.

weirdkid5

only1biggs said:

@weirdkid5 said:
@only1biggs I'm glad you think so, I think I'm pretty cute myself.

Now do you have actual substance or just more ad hominems to speak?

Go have another breakdown playing killer incorrectly and then make a post about how survivors are toxic when they did nothing wrong in game.

Substance!? ...Please.

So what im getting is that no, you have no substance and yes, all you can do is ad hominem.

Good job proving my point my guy. So adorable how people bring up the past when they have nothing of value to actually say, like many users in this community. You cant even argue anymore with anyone without claiming they're my alts lmao what a joke.

only1biggs

@weirdkid5 said:
only1biggs said:

@weirdkid5 said:

@only1biggs I'm glad you think so, I think I'm pretty cute myself.

Now do you have actual substance or just more ad hominems to speak?

Go have another breakdown playing killer incorrectly and then make a post about how survivors are toxic when they did nothing wrong in game.

Substance!? ...Please.

So what im getting is that no, you have no substance and yes, all you can do is ad hominem.

Good job proving my point my guy. So adorable how people bring up the past when they have nothing of value to actually say, like many users in this community. You cant even argue anymore with anyone without claiming they're my alts lmao what a joke.

I provided substance long ago, I'm not going to keep repeating myself to someone who can't read and is obviously bias and has no understanding of what a hatch standoff is.

They might aswell be your alts..they are just repeating their own versions of what a hatch standoff is and are unable to accept reality. Like you. Hence my joke.

Now go learn to play killer without freaking out. You can do it. I believe in you.

skvirl

@weirdkid5 said:

Good job proving my point my guy. So adorable how people bring up the past when they have nothing of value to actually say, like many users in this community. You cant even argue anymore with anyone without claiming they're my alts lmao what a joke.

....so, you're implying that you've had something of value to say...? All I can see are your conspiracy theories and not understanding what several people have been trying to explain to you over the course of several posts. I don't blame them for eventually not wanting to argue anymore with you and repeat themselves a million times because you can't seem to understand what they've been explaining, quite thoroughly, multiple times. Reasons for their views have already been given. Many times.

weirdkid5

only1biggs said:

@weirdkid5 said:
only1biggs said:

@weirdkid5 said:

@only1biggs I'm glad you think so, I think I'm pretty cute myself.

Now do you have actual substance or just more ad hominems to speak?

Go have another breakdown playing killer incorrectly and then make a post about how survivors are toxic when they did nothing wrong in game.

Substance!? ...Please.

So what im getting is that no, you have no substance and yes, all you can do is ad hominem.

Good job proving my point my guy. So adorable how people bring up the past when they have nothing of value to actually say, like many users in this community. You cant even argue anymore with anyone without claiming they're my alts lmao what a joke.

I provided substance long ago, I'm not going to keep repeating myself to someone who can't read and is obviously bias and has no understanding of what a hatch standoff is. 

They might aswell be your alts..they are just repeating their own versions of what a hatch standoff is and are unable to accept reality. Like you. Hence my joke.

Now go learn to play killer without freaking out. You can do it. I believe in you.

Wait did you actually flag me for spam when you've been throwing out ad hominems your last 5 posts? Kek

You proved no substance, you and everyone else in here simply proved you are ok with bending rules after the fact, and dont understand what part of "found the hatch first" you don't seem to get. Fyi. You can have a standoff in the event of a Broken Key in play, which is possible since items in chests are allowed. A safe play was made. That's all. That isnt what happened, but due to the POSSIBILITY of it happening, Marth shouldve auto won as soon as he stepped on the hatch like a runner touching homebase.

@skvirl funny you say theve been explaining to ME what happened, when really it's been the other way around. This thread is just filled with people that don't really care about how underhanded tactics like Space did.

Oh well. This whole ordeal simply proves this game never was or will be eSports ready. And neither will the community. It's so ironic people are saying those who defend the Depip squad are simply fans, when it seems as though most who are opposing are people who straight up dislike them, like those who throw put ad hominems in this argument, or personal insults about things like Marth's weight.

You think our judgment is blinded by favoritism, when it is YOUR judgement clouded by hate. Hilarious.

only1biggs

@weirdkid5 said:
Oh well. This whole ordeal simply proves this game never was or will be eSports ready. And neither will the community.

On this we can agree.

And, I didn't flag you for spam..

weirdkid5

only1biggs said:

And, I didn't flag you for spam..

This place kills my sides sometimes

only1biggs

@weirdkid5 said:
only1biggs said:

And, I didn't flag you for spam..

This place kills my sides sometimes

Me too xD

VESSEL

Oh I do so love friendly discussion with varying opinions that doesn't strike up hostility

...oh wait, it's the Dead By Daylight forums

12345

@thesuicidefox said:
But when you took a swing before the ref called the game you forfeit any claim to the hatch because she now has a "play" in being able to escape the hatch. Whether or not it was standoff is irrelevant.

What? can you please show where in the rules is this part written?

No he swong because he had won and wanted the match to end. By the rules he already got the point at the beginning of the standoff.

12345

I feel a lot of guys can't apply simple logic to natural languages that normally is learned by human being at the age of about 7 years.

Marth arrived at the Hatch first. Period. He won by the rule the moment the standoff started PERIOD.

12345

I feel a lot of guys can't apply simple logic to natural languages that normally is learned by human beings at the age of about 7 years.

Marth arrived at the Hatch first. Period. He won by the rule the moment the standoff started PERIOD.

I don't understand what is the hard part of it.

12345

@thesuicidefox said:

What you should have done was sit there and do nothing and wait for a ref. But you didn't, you acted, without confirmation from a tournament official that the match was over and that you won. In my book that's you making a mistake.

You sir are an idiot.

You are saying that Marth only possible play was waiting.... SURPRISE that is the definition of a standoff... and OH!!!!
SURPRISE HE WAS ON THE HATCH!!!!

HATCH

STANDOFF

HATCH STANDOFF.

So explain. Where in the rules were said that in case of hatch standoff the killer had to wait for the referee? It was just stated that in case of hatch standoff whoever get there first get the point. Marth arrived first he got the point. After that he could have also disconnected.

thesuicidefox

@12345 said:

@thesuicidefox said:
But when you took a swing before the ref called the game you forfeit any claim to the hatch because she now has a "play" in being able to escape the hatch. Whether or not it was standoff is irrelevant.

What? can you please show where in the rules is this part written?

No he swong because he had won and wanted the match to end. By the rules he already got the point at the beginning of the standoff.

You don't understand the meaning of "play the ball as it lies" so I will explain.

(I don't play golf, this is just an explanation of what I mean, so humor me.)

Let's say you are playing golf tournament. You hit the ball into a wooded area that is clearly not part of the course. But the rule states "play the ball as it lies" so you go up and you whack it again, adding a stroke. Later you find out that you could have reset the ball onto the course at the closest point. But there is a problem, you already hit the ball, and therefore you don't get that option anymore. What you should have done was call or wait for the ref to declare what you should do, but instead you just went ahead and did what you think is the right thing to do according to the rules.

This is why the swing is important. From an outside perspective, no one can determine the thought process of either Marth or the Claudette. Maybe Marth was just swinging because he thought the game was over and he won, maybe not. I believe him, the problem is his testimony of his own thoughts IN HINDSIGHT is not reliable since he knows that, if he is right, he wins, and if he is wrong, he loses. I don't blame him for defending his position. The problem is that the game was indeed still live. A ref had not made a call that he could OFFICIALLY go by to then take a swing knowing the game was over. HE ASSUMED AND DID IT ANYWAY. He can't go back and change it, just like you can put your ball back where you want it if you find out afterwards you coulda got a better deal.

That's why I say he should have just stayed there, staring at her on the hatch, until either she jumped (and he grabs her) or the ref steps in to break a stalemate OFFICIALLY. Considering that the Claudettes options are to wait to get hit or wait for the ref, the logical choice for both of them is to stand there, waiting, like good children, and wait for the adult to say what happens next, because once that stalemate actually happens UNDENIABLY it's no longer a matter of letting the game play out live, it's a matter of officials making a decision based on the circumstance and the rules. When the game is still live and officials have not needed to step in (or in this case did not have time to make a ruling before something happened), the tournament rules are almost moot because you are just playing the game at that point.

Which brings me to another point that this game is NOT an eSport. Not even close. Besides the nature of the game itself, there are so many balance issues that it's just a joke to me. Mario Party is a more viable eSport game than DBD. Why BHVR try to push the eSport stuff is beyond me. This whole thing with the hatch is just one example of the nonsense that could happen in this game, and I'm telling all of you from experience it will get worse. Tyde had damn hackers in his tournament, and he did a good job handling the situation, but c'mon. You can' hold serious competitions FOR MONEY when the game is just a mess. Even in tournaments for normal games, I would always get people that argue with me about the rules, and it's always because I'm ruling against them. They try to act independently of me, the ref, and then botch something. Once I tell them no this is how it is "Oh well we should play over because we did this". No you already played the game. The other guys won. It doesn't matter if you didn't follow the rules properly that's your fault for 1) not fully understanding the rules to begin with, and 2) trying to self-officiate because if they simply raised their hand before playing they would not be in this position now.

This kind of bullshit will only get worse UNTIL the game is fixed.

12345

@thesuicidefox said:

@12345 said:

@thesuicidefox said:
But when you took a swing before the ref called the game you forfeit any claim to the hatch because she now has a "play" in being able to escape the hatch. Whether or not it was standoff is irrelevant.

What? can you please show where in the rules is this part written?

No he swong because he had won and wanted the match to end. By the rules he already got the point at the beginning of the standoff.

You don't understand the meaning of "play the ball as it lies" so I will explain.

(I don't play golf, this is just an explanation of what I mean, so humor me.)

Let's say you are playing golf tournament. You hit the ball into a wooded area that is clearly not part of the course. But the rule states "play the ball as it lies" so you go up and you whack it again, adding a stroke. Later you find out that you could have reset the ball onto the course at the closest point. But there is a problem, you already hit the ball, and therefore you don't get that option anymore. What you should have done was call or wait for the ref to declare what you should do, but instead you just went ahead and did what you think is the right thing to do according to the rules.

I see what you are trying to say, it just does not work in the particular situation of the tournament. The rule wasn't hard to understand it simply stated that in case of an hatch standoff whoever get there first wins. Marth got there first therefore he won.

The metaphor you want to use can't be applyed in a case where the casters had to literally livestream add a very specific situation where the rule does not apply in order to have a rematch.

thesuicidefox

@12345 said:
Marth arrived to the hatch first, he could literally dc at that moment and they should have given him the point since the survivor arrived second and was injured so with virtually no way of escaping but using the hatch (that by rule he could not use).

No because the result of the game is not his call to make when the game is still live. This is what you don't get, when you have this sort of dumb mechanic that requires an equally dumb rule to get around, YOU ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE REF TO MAKE THE CALL. You do not, ever, make the call on your own because you do not have that authority. If you do and it works out against you, then it's you fault and these are the consequences.

The Claudette was smart in that she treated the situation as if it were still live. When she got hit, she took the hatch, as anyone would, normal game or tournament, that's what you would do. Marth's mistake was taking the swing and giving her the chance to keep the game live. If he did nothing, she can do nothing, then the ref steps in. That's how it should work.

Clearly you guys have absolutely no experience running or participating in game tournaments.

12345

@thesuicidefox said:

@12345 said:
Marth arrived to the hatch first, he could literally dc at that moment and they should have given him the point since the survivor arrived second and was injured so with virtually no way of escaping but using the hatch (that by rule he could not use).

No because the result of the game is not his call to make when the game is still live. This is what you don't get, when you have this sort of dumb mechanic that requires an equally dumb rule to get around, YOU ALWAYS WAIT FOR THE REF TO MAKE THE CALL. You do not, ever, make the call on your own because you do not have that authority. If you do and it works out against you, then it's you fault and these are the consequences.

So explain me what marth should have done there?
Wait for a ref call that would have never happened as demonstrated in the noob3 match?

I think you didn't watch the other match or you would have a bit more context. No marth acted well because the referee was never going to stop the match.

The rule served the exact purpose of that situation.

The only problem is that Tello and Demon didn't want the Dsquad to win and decided to add a very specific situation where the rule does not work, and now we all have to wait for bhvr decision to know who won.

thesuicidefox

@12345 said:
I think you didn't watch the other match or you would have a bit more context. No marth acted well because the referee was never going to stop the match.

It doesn't matter what happened any other time other than that exact time when they were both at the hatch before he swung. NONE OF IT. The only thing that matters is Marth assumed something he shouldn't have. I wouldn't doubt these guys were ######### refs, they sound like #########, but Marth doesn't have the authority to declare himself the winner based on his own interpretation of the rules, even if his interpretation is correct.

I also seriously doubt that no one would step in to officiate if they both just stood on the hatch for anything more than 20 seconds not moving. Someone would have stepped in an said something, or at the very least someone else would have prodded them to step in. Regardless, Marth acted independently of the officials and therefore the game is treated as live. Until the ref steps in, the game is live and you should not assume anything. And if you need an official you ask for one (which I believe Marth could have done discretely as the Claudette would have no way to know he's not just sitting and waiting for her to jump).

And as far as the shadey business trying to keep Depip squad from winning... no comment. I will say that Marth, again, has no one to blame but himself for making a mistake that the other team or the supposed crooked refs could take advantage of. If he waited or asked for a ref, their hand is forced and they step in and make a decisions, which he can then contest because the game is technically paused at a critical spot. Going back in time to make a decision after events have played out does not work, as you can see.

SnakeSound222

weirdkid5 said:

I mean you guys aren't even aware that the Squad was approached by BHVR after registration and were told they cannot participate in multiple tourneys, despite being on the list for both PS4 and PC tourneys.

Yet this ruling was not held for any other team, despite there being clear evidence of players running under different usernames to participate in multiple platforms. Only Depip Squad was told they could no do this.

I know this because I was going to take their place in the EZ pip squad team on PS4, since changing rosters within the team was legal until the day before.

They were registered as the EZ Pip Squad on PS4 before being replaced by another team. Again, no stipulation stating you couldn't do this.

Wait what? Depip Squad and only the Depip Squad were told they can’t participate in multiple tourneys? I never heard about this. Is it because they were deemed “too good” and BHVR doesn’t want them winning every tournament? 

Mc_Harty

@SnakeSound222 said:
Wait what? Depip Squad and only the Depip Squad were told they can’t participate in multiple tourneys? I never heard about this. Is it because they were deemed “too good” and BHVR doesn’t want them winning every tournament? 

If the forums are going to be a shitshow every time they lost then who cares honestly.

12345

@Mc_Harty said:

@SnakeSound222 said:
Wait what? Depip Squad and only the Depip Squad were told they can’t participate in multiple tourneys? I never heard about this. Is it because they were deemed “too good” and BHVR doesn’t want them winning every tournament? 

If the forums are going to be a shitshow every time they lost then who cares honestly.

The forums and reddit have been a shitstorm because of Space Esports nothing else.

Usui

@12345 said:

@Mc_Harty said:

@SnakeSound222 said:
Wait what? Depip Squad and only the Depip Squad were told they can’t participate in multiple tourneys? I never heard about this. Is it because they were deemed “too good” and BHVR doesn’t want them winning every tournament? 

If the forums are going to be a shitshow every time they lost then who cares honestly.

The forums and reddit have been a shitstorm because of Space Esports nothing else.

Nah, a shitshow because of biased fanboys such as yourself. Marth made a mistake, he lost, go cry in a corner now.

12345

@Usui said:

@12345 said:

@Mc_Harty said:

@SnakeSound222 said:
Wait what? Depip Squad and only the Depip Squad were told they can’t participate in multiple tourneys? I never heard about this. Is it because they were deemed “too good” and BHVR doesn’t want them winning every tournament? 

If the forums are going to be a shitshow every time they lost then who cares honestly.

The forums and reddit have been a shitstorm because of Space Esports nothing else.

Nah, a shitshow because of biased fanboys such as yourself. Marth made a mistake, he lost, go cry in a corner now.

Actually not a shitstorm because it has been obvious that as an event this was #########. The casters were terrible with no knowledge at all of the game. ######### music. 20 minutes pauses between matches. Obvious hackers playing that didn't get Dq'd.
These are the things most of the people complained about... but anyways you are just a toxic troll why am I even wasting my time answering is a mystery.

Zagrid

@ZombieGenesis said:
Because he made a bad play. That's what his fans aren't wanting to own up to, Marth made a bad play and it cost his team the win.

That's not saying there weren't other problems too but one does not negate the other.

What bad play are you referring too? Them changing the rules so his messing around became the thing that made him lose? Because if they had not changed that rule then him messing around would not have mattered because he already would have won.

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12345

@thesuicidefox said:

@12345 said:

@thesuicidefox said:
But when you took a swing before the ref called the game you forfeit any claim to the hatch because she now has a "play" in being able to escape the hatch. Whether or not it was standoff is irrelevant.

What? can you please show where in the rules is this part written?

No he swong because he had won and wanted the match to end. By the rules he already got the point at the beginning of the standoff.

You don't understand the meaning of "play the ball as it lies" so I will explain.

(I don't play golf, this is just an explanation of what I mean, so humor me.)

Let's say you are playing golf tournament. You hit the ball into a wooded area that is clearly not part of the course. But the rule states "play the ball as it lies" so you go up and you whack it again, adding a stroke. Later you find out that you could have reset the ball onto the course at the closest point. But there is a problem, you already hit the ball, and therefore you don't get that option anymore. What you should have done was call or wait for the ref to declare what you should do, but instead you just went ahead and did what you think is the right thing to do according to the rules.

I see what you are trying to say, it just does not work in the particular situation of the tournament. The rule wasn't hard to understand it simply stated that in case of an hatch standoff whoever get there first wins. Marth got there first therefore he won.

The metaphor you want to use can't be applyed in a case where the casters had to literally livestream add a very specific situation where the rule does not apply in order to have a rematch.

12345

@thesuicidefox said:

@12345 said:
I think you didn't watch the other match or you would have a bit more context. No marth acted well because the referee was never going to stop the match.

It doesn't matter what happened any other time other than that exact time when they were both at the hatch before he swung. NONE OF IT. The only thing that matters is Marth assumed something he shouldn't have. I wouldn't doubt these guys were ######### refs, they sound like #########, but Marth doesn't have the authority to declare himself the winner based on his own interpretation of the rules, even if his interpretation is correct.

I also seriously doubt that no one would step in to officiate if they both just stood on the hatch for anything more than 20 seconds not moving. Someone would have stepped in an said something, or at the very least someone else would have prodded them to step in. Regardless, Marth acted independently of the officials and therefore the game is treated as live. Until the ref steps in, the game is live and you should not assume anything. And if you need an official you ask for one (which I believe Marth could have done discretely as the Claudette would have no way to know he's not just sitting and waiting for her to jump).

And as far as the shadey business trying to keep Depip squad from winning... no comment. I will say that Marth, again, has no one to blame but himself for making a mistake that the other team or the supposed crooked refs could take advantage of. If he waited or asked for a ref, their hand is forced and they step in and make a decisions, which he can then contest because the game is technically paused at a critical spot. Going back in time to make a decision after events have played out does not work, as you can see.

BHVR already announced they are stepping in this argument and by the weekend there should be a result for this argument.

Frankly I am sure they will just say "Dsquad won obviously ######### is this #########". Just please promise me that when they will you will admit you were wrong.

I am tired of explaining the same ######### over and over.

All the things you said are just your speculations that are frankly riciculous as the rule was very simple and clear.

Human beings develop the ability to apply simple logic to natural languages in between 5-7 years old. I mean. For real?

IF YOU HIT A SURVIVOR AND THEN HE JUMP INTO AN HATCH BEFORE YOU CAN GRAB HIM YOU WERE IN A STANDOFF SITUATION.

THE RULE STATED THAT WHOEVER GOT THERE FIRST WIN.

MARTH WIN.

LOGIC.

Shipthebread

@ZombieGenesis said:
But they were the officials and they needed to call the match for it to end. They did not. Marth made a "game move" ending the standoff. Survivor escaped.

Is it crappy? Depends on who you ask but it really is that simple. Stuff like this happens in physical sports all the time. It's just the nature of competitive sports.

Yeah, everyone is acting like this never happens? This year due to the vagueness of the NFL catch rule it cost the Steelers their playoff game, it cost other teams games in the past. Did the NFL look at those games after and change the ruling and basically undermine their entire Reffing staff? No of course they didn't, a call was made, the rule was vague. NFL Re-visited the wording to make it better for future seasons.

We are talking billions of dollars up for grabs. If BHVR capitulates at all it undermines the people who made the decision and all those who may come after, imagine you do the tourney and have to say well so and so won for now but let's see if the community cries enough that BHVR now has to investigate again.

I love Marth but this would be adding another black eye to an already battered tournament.

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Shipthebread

@ZombieGenesis said:
And regardless of what ruling BHVR makes it does not negate the points either side has made. This is obviously a complex issue that has a lot of people fired up on either side. BHVR's decision is a call based on their opinions and interpretations of the rules. It does not negate other people's opinions and interpretations of the same rules. It does undermine the power given to the people they chose to run the tournament, which I think is wrong, but that is also BHVR's call.

IMO it undermines any future tournaments as well.

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only1biggs

https://clips.twitch.tv/NurturingDiligentNoodleKappaClaus

This is a shared opinion among those with many thousands of hours (Zubat, Dia, et al). Zubat also says later that "he (Marth) should have won and was better than the other players...but he messed up."

Mc_Harty

@only1biggs said:
https://clips.twitch.tv/NurturingDiligentNoodleKappaClaus

This is a shared opinion among those with many thousands of hours (Zubat, Dia, et al). Zubat also says later that "he (Marth) should have won and was better than the other players...but he messed up."

Like what everyone else in this thread has been saying...

only1biggs

@Mc_Harty said:

@only1biggs said:
https://clips.twitch.tv/NurturingDiligentNoodleKappaClaus

This is a shared opinion among those with many thousands of hours (Zubat, Dia, et al). Zubat also says later that "he (Marth) should have won and was better than the other players...but he messed up."

Like what everyone else in this thread has been saying...

Yup. But to the couple of delusional fools that disagree with reality..it's sometimes important to them WHO said the fact...

Just thought I'd leave that there.

12345

Couple of delusional fools like bahroo who said "they changed the rules after the finals to make sure the team they didn't like lost".

At this point there is no point in discussing with you guys anymore. Wait BHVR.

Let's see who truly won the tournament.

12345

@ZombieGenesis said:
And regardless of what ruling BHVR makes it does not negate the points either side has made. This is obviously a complex issue that has a lot of people fired up on either side. BHVR's decision is a call based on their opinions and interpretations of the rules. It does not negate other people's opinions and interpretations of the same rules. It does undermine the power given to the people they chose to run the tournament, which I think is wrong, but that is also BHVR's call.

Listen there is no interpreting. The condition "The hatch must be open before the killer arrives" was not a condition before the finals.
The definition of standoff is:

"A deadlock situation between 2 or more parties where whoever act first loses".

Marth did hit the survivor and as retaliation the survivor jumped inside the hatch. So by definition he was on a standoff there is no interpreting to this.

The next question is:

Where this standoff happened?

ON THE HATCH.

Put the pieces together.

HATCH

STANDOFF

HATCH STANDOFF.

You Dsquad haters are really trying everything to justify the stupidity of Tello and Demon but there is no interpretation to anything here. The only thing they could do is adding a very specific condition to the rule to match that scenario and then call for a rematch that is extreamly unethical.

Stop saying BS and making big names.

Bahroo thinks marth should have won. Jandenese thinks Marth should have won. Tyde thinks Marth should have won. Swift thinks Marth should have won. But you guys with your bias only named one guy who shares your opinion. Actually not even sharing your opinion he is just asking in the clip why did he swing not really saying anything else. Maybe if Zubat just sit a second in front of a dictionary and read what a standoff is he would understand that a timeframe where you can lost a standoff if by rules whoever get there first wins does not exists. If you hit the survivor and as retaliation he jumps inside the hatch by definition you were on a standoff.

12345

@RemoveSWF said:
If BHVR overrules the tournament organiser's fair rules and judgement

This is just the joke of the year and I congratulate you.

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12345

@ZombieGenesis said:
Where does it stipulate that a hatch standoff can happen on a closed hatch?

And to be clear, I know very little to nothing about the "DSquad". I only ever heard of you because of this tournament. You're not as big as you think you are. I'm looking at this from a completely neutral standpoint and using experience from other forms tournaments and other sports.

And where it don't?

The rule only talks about Hatch Standoff.

That by definition of what happened is a standoff. There is no interpreting sorry.

Changing a rule after the finals have being played is unethical. And the rule before the final stated that whoever get to the hatch first get the point in case of a standoff.

So there is no interpreting. The fact that the survivor jumped inside the hatch after being hit by itself proves they were on a standoff by definition of standoff.

Let me repeat for you guys "A Deadlock situation between 2 or more parties where whoever act first loses."

only1biggs

@ZombieGenesis said:
Where does it stipulate that a hatch standoff can happen on a closed hatch?

And to be clear, I know very little to nothing about the "DSquad". I only ever heard of you because of this tournament. You're not as big as you think you are. I'm looking at this from a completely neutral standpoint and using experience from other forms tournaments and other sports.

It's okay, just ignore

12345

@only1biggs said:

@ZombieGenesis said:
Where does it stipulate that a hatch standoff can happen on a closed hatch?

And to be clear, I know very little to nothing about the "DSquad". I only ever heard of you because of this tournament. You're not as big as you think you are. I'm looking at this from a completely neutral standpoint and using experience from other forms tournaments and other sports.

It's okay, just ignore

Ye exactly this is the only thing you can do. There is no counter argument to exact definition of the word standoff.

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only1biggs

LOL Ignore you @12345

You are insane.

No killer or survivor has EVER been in a hatch stand off when the hatch wasn't open.

You're either a massive troll or you're brain dead.

You can have your own opinions, not your own facts.

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12345

@ZombieGenesis said:
The definition of standoff "a stalemate or deadlock between two equally matched opponents in a dispute or conflict.". The survivor escaped through the hatch after being hit by Marth. There was no deadlock and, thusly, no standoff. Survivor wins.

There are multiple definitions you took the one from google that is the laziest to find (literally on top of your page if you write deadlock on google) that does not suit at all the context of this game.

No deadlock? Why because you didn't see them standing still for 10 minutes? They were in a situation where whoever acted fist lose so technically no progress can be made. Marth simply decided to unlock the situation because he knew that by the rules he had won.

12345

@only1biggs said:
LOL Ignore you @12345

You are insane.

No killer or survivor has EVER been in a hatch stand off when the hatch wasn't open.

You're either a massive troll or you're brain dead.

You can have your own opinions, not your own facts.

Ok troll. Just please remember me after bhvr decides who is the winner.

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Shipthebread

@12345 said:

@ZombieGenesis said:

Bahroo thinks marth should have won. Jandenese thinks Marth should have won. Tyde thinks Marth should have won. Swift thinks Marth should have won. But you guys with your bias only named one guy who shares your opinion. Actually not even sharing your opinion he is just asking in the clip why did he swing not really saying anything else. Maybe if Zubat just sit a second in front of a dictionary and read what a standoff is he would understand that a timeframe where you can lost a standoff if by rules whoever get there first wins does not exists. If you hit the survivor and as retaliation he jumps inside the hatch by definition you were on a standoff.

I don't care about people's opinions, the rule was vague and as you see plenty of people interpret it different ways. Same thing happened in the NFL, to some people it was a catch to others it wasn't. Ref's ruled no catch the Steelers lost the damn game. NFL Revised the wording and made it more complete. End of story. To reverse it now is childish. I like Marth a lot he's a great streamer and amazing player, but he should help heal wounds not keep opening them. He lost, he didn't play till the whistle and lost.

Shipthebread

@12345 said:

@Shipthebread said:

@12345 said:

@ZombieGenesis said:

Bahroo thinks marth should have won. Jandenese thinks Marth should have won. Tyde thinks Marth should have won. Swift thinks Marth should have won. But you guys with your bias only named one guy who shares your opinion. Actually not even sharing your opinion he is just asking in the clip why did he swing not really saying anything else. Maybe if Zubat just sit a second in front of a dictionary and read what a standoff is he would understand that a timeframe where you can lost a standoff if by rules whoever get there first wins does not exists. If you hit the survivor and as retaliation he jumps inside the hatch by definition you were on a standoff.

I don't care about people's opinions, the rule was vague and as you see plenty of people interpret it different ways. Same thing happened in the NFL, to some people it was a catch to others it wasn't. Ref's ruled no catch the Steelers lost the damn game. NFL Revised the wording and made it more complete. End of story. To reverse it now is childish. I like Marth a lot he's a great streamer and amazing player, but he should help heal wounds not keep opening them. He lost, he didn't play till the whistle and lost.

No I see the same 3-4 guys who keep "interpreting" it the way they want even if to them was given a complete explaination on how logic is applyed to natural languages and how that marth was in was indeed a standoff by definition of standoff.

Again you keep ignoring the perfect example of the NFL Catch rule, how does that concept not apply here? My comment about playing till the end, not assuming things?