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So Clown's the least Lethal Killer on PC
Highest and Lowest Kill Rates
This chart shows the deadliest (yellow) and least deadly (red) Killers per platform. These stats are an average for all ranks. Since there are four Survivors, a 50% kill rate equates to two Survivors escaping and two Survivors dying.
I didn't really count in Legion since they're due for a neutering soon. Heck, with the less hormones running through the teenagers' system.. they might end up more lethal.
So what can be done to improve Jeffrey?
Suggestions taken from the thread itself and some of my personal ones;
- Minor exhaustion debuff part of base gas. Would require survivors to "take a breather", aka stop running away (thus letting the Clown close in faster) if they want exhaustion gone.
- Intoxication duration increases based upon time spent in the gas.
- Remove the grunting he makes when he vaults a window. It'd allow him so more freedom when it comes to playing mind-games.
- Reduced reload duration.
- Release clouds of gas while reloading.
- No slowdown while throwing.
- Increased intoxication duration (Eether 10 or 15 by default).
- Increased slow effect (Flask of Bleach by default).
- Generators inside gas automatically start regressing if there's no survivor working on them.
- More bottles, more fun.
- Exposure effect on survivors hit by a bottle (Redhead's Pinky Finger add-on by default)
- Extra potent effect for hitting a survivor directly, like stronger slow than normal or bigger gas area of effect.
- Survivors hit directly with a bottle get doused in the Tonic, making them leave a trail of gas for a few seconds.
- Survivors who're intoxicated cannot see the Red Stain.
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First we need to see these kill rates separated by rank and get confirmation that they do not count DCs as kills, don't include trials where one or more survivors don't load in, and don't include farming rounds. Then this information might be relevant.
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Clown is one of my favorite killers to play as, but this stat unfortunately doesn't surprise me. We still have the bug where some of his bottles are randomly breaking at the hand (or disappearing completely into the ether without breaking at all), an insanely long base reload time, and an immense lack of any map pressure. Those first two issues could easily be addressed if the devs wanted to tackle them... but that last one (his biggest flaw, IMHO) would be harder to fix as it's innate to who he is.
He's an absolute beast in a 1-on-1 chase, but against a semi-decent team spread out and focused on gens he's no threat.
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Those data are worthless
The game sampled are only a week worth of game
The number of game sampled is never mentionned
Platform and rank should always be mentionned no matter the stat
Important info like are game with only 3 survivor loading or survivor dcing included are entirely missing
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Yeah. The most useful forms of data showed here is the game length (since it is organized by rank) and SWF odds (Be careful it is easy to misinterpret)
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The chart you give is worthless information. Nurse billy and Spirit are the top 3 killers atm. Atleast on pc. Freddy, wraith and it’s a top up between trapper doc and pig as the worse killers
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@NuclearBurrito Even the game length isn't that significant due to hatch standoffs and farming matches (which most often occur when one or more survivors don't make it into the trial and when one or more survivors disconnect).
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Tydetime on YouTube gives a fairly accurate tier ranking on killers
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@BlazeNightash Hard data is more accurate than any one player's opinion.
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@orion he does go off hard data and tourney info/gameplay but his is more based for pc not console
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The problem is the following. Notice how the ones with the lowest kill ratio are the least played Killers (outside of Legion... maybe?). Less matches used as sample means bad matches are amplified, because people who play him are those who are doing it for a daily just once or trying him out (and failing), morr than those who understand how to actually play him.
Clown is a simple Killer to get into, but way more complicated to use to his full potential. A good Clown with appropriate perks is deadly. Definitely not saying he doesnt need buffs, he definitely does, but his potential is way higher than whats shown here.
Plague is a combination of both cases. She has so many counters and is also played a lot less than the average. She is also still fairly new (especially from the Survivor perspective).
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@BlazeNightash So he had access to the hard data that the devs recently gave us before the data was made available?
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Just because you've tried those and haven't bothered trying to make them work, or you just follow the crowds complaint doesn't make those stats true. Ask anyone who mains Freddy what their average is. You'll be surprised.
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@letuce no I have tried those I can make any killer work at purple ranks but once you get into red ranks no Killer but nurse works so don’t assume I haven’t played and made them work. They’re just in garbage in general. When you play against potato survs all day you can make bloodlust ######### nurse work
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Going off data, win rates etc, Etc you can go look for yourself really
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@BlazeNightash But the only hard data we have that's of any use comes from the developers. Self-reported stats are a drop in the ocean.
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@Orion while that’s true you can still see it’s a fairly accurate list based on others gameplays and your own, nobody can argue nurse isn’t best, especially since she’s literally the only viable killer at red ranks atm
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@BlazeNightash god no, his data is terrible and flawed. He said Hag is D tier. I like watching him, but he's not as smart at collecting data as you'd expect.
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hag Kinda is d tier. She’s very add-on, Perk and map reliance. She’s slower and struggles on loops, you can also mind game average hag players fairly easy with her own traps. Swfs absolutely destroy her.
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@BlazeNightash HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG IM LAUGHING SO HARD.
None of those points are valid. Not one. I combat SWF just fine as Hag. I'm not going to argue her strength. She's 2nd best joint with Spirit. Simple as.
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@poweas please explain what ranks you play at because if it’s not anywhere near low purple I’m at take your opinion as invalid
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Can literally play bloodlust nurse at rank 8 and 4K lmao
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@BlazeNightash as killer, rank 6 one pip until 5.
As survivor, I'm basically everywhere. But Hag being D tier is completely invalid and complete bs.
Read this:
Why I think Hag is better than Billy. Hag can spread pain when the survivors are across the map quicker than any other killer in the game, not even Nurse can. She is way better than Billy in chase. She can dominate with Thanatophobia, she can control 1/2 of the map without addons 3/4 with her green range addon alone. She is ridiculously mobile with her traps, joint with Billy. Her map pressure is off the chart and she's everywhere. With STBFL, she's unstoppable. She can control 5 gens at once. That's massive considering Doctor is limited to 3 or maybe 4. She's unpredictable. If you're good enough with Hag, you can even take on SWF, as I do, and still win (Yes I'm that good with her). She's unloopable and amazing at mindgames. She can snowball WAYYY better than any other killer, even better than Billy. I don't need to expand on that, it's common knowledge how good she is at snowballing. She can injure 3 survivors and down 1 in the space of 20 seconds, and with STBFL, maybe even 14 seconds. She can pressure survivors into healing and gets a major advantage if they do. She can sometimes bring the game to a crawl, if they are pressured into healing.
I can pretty much do everything there in 1 game alone.
She's not D tier and she's definitely not loopable.
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@Poweas I don’t believe It sorry played a lot of hag she’s one my favs. I played against plenty of hags and never had a single one 4K in my games in the last 6 months. Barely any 3ks most of the time they get one to zero kills and usually that’s cause they’re face camping the ######### out of that One player. And hag is very loopable if you know what you’re doing as a surv
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Hag isn't your favourite. You don't understand her properly.
If you played her a lot, you'd definitely have sense.
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@Poweas ya ok hag is so good, ######### billy and nurse players struggling at Red ranks but you over here trying to convince me hag can do better
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@BlazeNightash looking at the kill rates, yes. She can. Also you said the Billy and Nurse players are s*** which means that they will obviously struggle LOL. Face it, Hag is better than D tier, she's SS tier (Nurse and Spirit are SSS) and she can easily win.
You're wrong.
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Hag is always going to be SS tier unless they nerf her.
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@poweas kill rates for what lmao? The ones up top? Those are just for one week and doesn’t even give what ranks it pulling it From or if a full team ornament survs or not
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Ss tier ya I’m done if you honestly think that. You clearly don’t know what killers are powerful
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Yet Nurse is obviously the best killer but has the lowest kill rate on PS4 AND Xbox. Due to Nurse being basically unplayable on console.
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@BlazeNightash you're just trolling. I'm not going to bother wasting more time with you. Hag is D tier should have been enough. Or when you said you played Hag.
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@MegMain98 Other than the obvious differences between a mouse and a joystick, that's because those kill rates aren't separated by rank. Obviously we need to look at rank 1-5 data only.
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It's not strange that the Hag is so deadly. Dedicated players are terrifying and consistenly get 4ks, while noobs/casuals mostly camp from a distance with traps under the hook, and that can easily ensure at least a 2k, boosting her deadlyness compared to, let's say, the Nurse, whose noobs/casuals often have very poor performances.
Basically the Hag is a high skill-ceiling but still noob friendly killer.
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Why is Hag bad? She’s clearly as strong as Billy and NEARLY as strong as Nurse and Spirit.
She can snowball a team within a minute. Especially if you use Mint Rang and Rusty Shackles with Make Your Choice. She is as powerful as Spirit.
As @Poweas said, Hag is a top tier killer. There is no denying that. If you think she is ANYWHERE near the bottom of the list then you are the one clearly can’t tell the difference between which killers are powerful and which are not
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Basically the only ranks that truely determine if a killer is good or not. Because every other rank survivor finds you. As in they juke and mind game themselves or just straight up have no idea what they’re doing most of the time
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@MegMain98 perfectly valid points.
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yes using the hags most powerful add ons to say she’s a top tier hmmm. Logic, seems to go back to the whole point of killers who are reliance on that are bad killers
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I 4k with her base. She doesn't need addons. How do you not see this?
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Agreed but the majority of players are not in red ranks. A lot of killers linger around purple and green because they wanna derank when they get to red ranks because lobbies start to get very slow because a majority of survivors are not in red ranks, then when you do get survivors a lot are Rank 15.
When they made it a lot of harder for survivors to rank up I was sitting in lobbies for 10 minutes at Rank 7. It’s not bad now but I think we should at LEAST look at Ranks 1-8.
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congrats you can 4K with base hag at rank 12 that must be so damn hard. Oh wait forgot survs just run to you at that’s rank
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Rank 12? Are you trolling. Rank 5 now. Stop being so stubborn and accept that you're wrong. Hag is WAY stronger than D tier.
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While majority are not at red ranks it’s the only set of ranks that display really good survs, the rest don’t so trying to base a killer’s worth at any other rank set is pointless
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Rank isn’t exactly meaningful though. You can easily be boosted at Rank 1 whether you are a killer or survivor. There is an obvious difference in skill between red ranks and Ranks 13-20. I’ve seen survivors who SHOULD be in red ranks but are only at Rank 9 because they derank themselves.
My point is that being in red ranks does not make a good player :/
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You’re referring to the old rank system. The new one pushed majority of the potatoes out. And queue times start slowing down in purple instead of red
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Isnt the game supposed to be balanced around 2 kills per trial?.
Right now the Clown is the most balanced killer.
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- The graphic is across all ranks. Most likely the kill rate is far below 50% at higher ranks and above 50% at low ranks
- An absolute trash perk (Self-Care) is the most used survivor perk and a lot of survivors don't bring items. 50% against survivors running trash builds is too low
- The graphic includes survivors suiciding on the hook
- The graphic includes survivors getting greedy when the exit gates are open and dying due to that
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As for how to buff the Clown:
- the reload is a dumb, unfun mechanic. Either cut the time it takes drastically or give it a positive effect. Quick idea: Reloading creates gas clouds at your location that linger for less than the bottle gas clouds (bottle throwing should be the main way to create gas clouds). This way reloading could be used offensively in a chase or to detect survivors that are hiding very close by
- faster throw animation
- gas lingers longer
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Lol, Trapper's killrate can't be that high.
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Remember that it's across all ranks
For example, if Trapper is only used in low ranks then the kill rate is artficially inflated
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