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Toxicness of End-game Collapse.
Since the game has been updated, almost every game I have had has a killer who will slug you, close hatch and then let you bleed out. Or they will close hatch before they can slug you, and just follow you around so you can't open a gate. It's getting kind of annoying imo, and wish there was a way to avoid this without just straight up dcing.
No, I'm not just trying to sound like a cry baby survivor main. Yes I realize dying isn't really that big of a deal. It's just kind of annoying that I have to waste 5 minutes at the end of every game because toxic killers like to just sit and babysit you till you die. Wasn't the purpose of end-game collapse to get rid of hatch stand offs? They basically still exist but now it's just a gate standoff where you always die. Before anyone says anything NO, I do not play toxic in my games. I don't spam flashlights or tea bag. It's just salt on the killer's side.
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Well, first of all, it is only 4 minutes (at max), Hatch Stand-Off sometimes lasted 10 times longer (stubborn NPCs who are doing that...).
Also, the EGC is new. People want to see it, so you will face some Killers in the next days who will slug you, or keep you in the game instead of letting you out or hooking you. This will be less after a few days. It will happen, but it will probably be a rare occasion.
So not that big of a deal.
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I understand your point, it feels terrible but the best thing you can do is try your best to avoid that situation.
If you're always in a 1v1 situation, run Object of Obsession and Sole Survivor. These perks will help you sneak progression on to the exit gate until it's open.
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Timer goes slower if you're downed, is it still 4 minutes with the slowed timer? Feels like forever to me. I doubt that this will happen less within the next few days since we had ptb, and anyone that was actually interested most likely saw it then. Hatch stand offs never went away so It's not like this will just magically disappear.
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It is 2 minutes base, 4 minutes when someone is on the Hook or slugged.
And not everyone plays the PTB. Or has even the possibility to join the PTB, when on Console.
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I thought it was base 3 minutes, my bad. This is on pc tho, shouldn't be an issue with ptb lol.
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It was 3 minutes base, was changed to 2 minutes. And still, not everyone is playing the PTB, Mid-Chapter PTBs are also not that interesting than PTBs with an actual, new Killer.
Just give it a few days.
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There is nothing the devs can do to stop this, it's just more BM indirectly added into the game by trying to make a good update to endgame it seems the tables have turned though instead of the survivors teabagging at the exit gates it's instead the killers mocking you for 4 minutes waiting for you to die.
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I feel you man, just played a spirit who closed the hatch right in front of me and slugged me the 4 minutes EGC lasted
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I actually find it fun and horrifying.
Is this killer coming to this gate? Should I hide? What do I do?
It made finding the hatch fun and intense. If the killer found the hatch before I do, I could either just give it up already or see if I can mind game them in a chase.
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Power move: slug someone for 3:50 then hook them last second.
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Its not just that they want to see you die to the entity. You literally can't do anything in that situation. They get points for endgame collapse kills. It won't stop after a couple of days because its not just about killers wanting to see the new stuff, its about them getting the points for it, too. Its dumb that they can close the hatch when you get near and then follow you around and camp you so you can't open the gates, having you eventually die, giving the killers points without the killer having to do any work besides just chasing you around so you cant open the door.. I think that they should either not be able to close the hatch and have the timer still count down, be able to close the hatch but the doors automatically open completely, or stop the timer after the hatch closes and have it start back up when a gate is opened.
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Its high pressure for sure but not impossible. While not many I have made a few solo escapes after killer found the hatch. Its intense and more geared towards stealthy maneuvers which is a nice change from prolonged chases or face to face wait outs.
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By the looks of it my trusty Alt+Tab strat will need to be used as survivor too. I only used it as killer before, now it appears it's needed for both sides. Oh well.
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Or u could wait for it......
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I just had a match where the Killer did absolutely nothing while we did all the gens. Once the last gen popped he then went straight to the exit gate, downed one of us with Noed and proceeded to face camp for the remainder of the match.
In the end he got like 4k BP and more than likely de-pipped / de-ranked.
EGC is just a terrible mechanic that rewards bad sportsmanship and no effort application. It's just bad. It needs to go.
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I can't believe people complaining about 4 minutes when there were hatch standoffs that could last much longer. Tons of survivors would spend minutes at the gates doing nothing except waiting for the killer to show up. This isn't about your time, its the fact that you don't get your free hatch escape anymore unless you are on top of it when that 3rd guy dies.
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Part of the reason resson is becaude survivors drug out games for 10-15 minutes with doors open to get 2k extra from the he hatch
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It’s kinda ridiculous like no one cares about being killed or not thats not the problem the problem is that there’s so many scenarios where you feel like there’s literally nothing you can do so you just have to sit there and be bored for however long while the killer just nods at you or stabs the air
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That's my point, I could really care less if I die or not. I just think having 4 minutes of my time wasted every other game is really annoying.
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And that ladies and gentlemen, is called bait!
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Most of the time, it is impossible. Gates usually spawn pretty close to each other the only map where this doesn't happen is leiry's maybe. But in high ranks, you usually go against killers with high mobility (most of them being billy or nurse) that can ping back and forth between exits in a matter of seconds.
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Just do something else for the 2-4 minutes.
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Crawl in a circle? Lol
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There are enough chances to avoid the scenario where the hatch is closed. At some point, you have lost the game.
Alternatively, you can bring a key to re-open the hatch.
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If you bring a key it goes back to square 1, it's just a hatch stand off now.
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Make a sandwich, use the bathroom. Just do something while you wait.
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I mean, most of my games that survivors escape from have survivors that wait out the EGC timer before actually leaving, so I'm just returning the favor :D
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Survivors are getting a taste of their own medicine, for a mere 4 minutes, and they don't like it! Who'd have thunk!
As someone who has been held prisoner in my own games for 30+ minutes MANY times during my 2½ years of playing Dead by Daylight.. I just laugh at this double standard coming from survivors now.
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It's not, the killer can't grab you from the hatch anymore during EGC.
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This sounds awful and i don't support toxic behavior but i do kinda understand why some killers are being dicks, its because survivors used to dick around the exit gate and waste time. tho i'd argue that in that case at least both have a choice, the killer have the choice of chasing them outside the gate (forcing them to leave or slug and hooked) the survivor can either fall on their face and get hooked or run the ######### out of there...its not one sided but it is toxic. this however is one sided
in this case tho the killer is the only person with a choice which makes it super annoyed as you can't run nor ######### on a hook, you just wait till you die
i honestly do not like the end game, i find it rushed and annoying but maybe it will grow on me with time
sorry you had to go through that
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I’d hope if it’s down to 2 assuming u got 3 gens done u would be looking for the hatch
that said se05239 I feel ya I’ve had my fair share even got a infinite 3 Myers 5 gens left.
he hid for 3 hours before he dc cause he didnt want me to catch him working on a gen.
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@MomoMoon Killers did not only have to deal with survivors waiting at the exit gates. The bigger problem was survivors hiding randomly on the map with no chance for the killer to find them and force them out of the exit gates, just to troll the killer and make him dc. That is where the frustration is coming from.
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Fair payback if you ask me
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The roles has changed.
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:)
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Honestly it's not so bad. Survivors had their turn for 2 years and now that killers can do this I find it funny survivors start to complain about it when it was only out for 2 days. XD
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True, it is only for 4 minutes max if they close that hatch and the gates aren't open yet.
However, it is not easy to get out by opening the gates if you're the last one left. It's pretty difficult.
It's definitely easier for killer these days.
I play both killer and survivor, and I do like the end game collapse as killer mostly.
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That is not the point. Of course it is easier for Killers with the new EGC, they are more likely to find the Hatch before the Survivor.
But when it comes to EGC, there is that one thing that defines the game too much anway: RNG. Where is the Hatch? How far away from Hatch/other Exit are the Exit Gates? This basically defines the chances for the Survivor.
And well, sadly RNG does already so much in this game.
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It's getting to the point survivors have to realize they aren't supposed to get out alive, so grab as many points as you can before the game itself kills you. Just another way to tip the scales in the killers favor....it does look cool though.
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We're not far away from the SURVIVORS asking for a Concede button instead of the KILLERS.
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Ok don't blame that on endgame when they could very easily have just happened in any other match.
For the love of God will people stop using endgame as they're scapegoat for not having the best match
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but in those situations the killer would have downed you anyway.
Right now people just want to see how the entity kill thing works it's a new toy.
Give it about a week and Killers won't give a crap anymore
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The killer cannot pull you out of the hatch so no it doesn't.
If you have a key you could let you jump in at any time even if the killers are right behind you
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Make the concede button happen, that'll make the problem more bearable.
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Escaping as the last survivor should be very uncommon. Your team did bad, in a team game.
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So far as Survivor I have not been treated like this. I have been using Quentin's Wake Up Perk and stay near the exit and wait for the killer to find and close the hatch - it has been going good!
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Cypress Mori should be baseline and give sacrifice points for this reason. Encourage killers to end it quickly instead of waiting out the clock.
The entity should only come into play if the killer can't find or is in a long chase with the last survivor when the hatch has been closed.
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I see so many people supporting this behavior because there were ######### survivors before this change. That is just dumb. People were dicks to you in the past so that justifies you being a dick now? I don't think so. I get wanting to see the new kill from the entity. But don't down a survivor, carry them near the hatch, close it, and then follow them around till they die. Just hook them and move on. All you're going to do is have survivors DC even more because of that #########. I get people being mad about the times survivors wasted their time, but that doesn't make you doing it right either.
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I had this happen to me 6 out of 10 matches last night. It was getting ridiculous. So that ended up being 12-24 minutes wasted. I hope after enough times passes, this becomes more rare.
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Yes, there are survivors that tea bag at the exit gates. But you can just chase them out as killer, it's a matter of seconds. Personally, I leave when there is nothing else to do, never saw the point of waiting around at the gates. Also never did hatch stand offs. Because I'm playing games to have fun, not to get bored to death. And I'm fine with having lost, when the killer closes the hatch. But please give me an option to suicide after that when I'm down or something. Because I havent managed to open an exit gate in that situation once so far. But I have been downed and held hostage until the end of the ecg plenty of times. And I also don't believe that this is something that will end. it's ######### behavior and a boring waste of time.
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