Survivors rushing hooks because risk is too low to actually care
That's currently the case (rank 1+ gameplay).
There is not a single factor, why someone should not unhook in front of you.
As killer there is nothing you can do, to stop them. Nothing at all.
You can't protect hooks anymore, by any means.
Tactical advantages are taken by a matter of seconds.
Tactics, which are unfair to the killer, when in front of them someone unhooks a survivor:
Survivors can fake unhook and because of latency escape the grab.
There is zero chance, you can grab someone off the unhook, if they are timing it right.
Survivors can fake unhook, go through the survivor, because the collision then is disabled for some reason and unhook from inside the survivor or from the other side, making it very likely for the killer to hit the hooked person.
Unhooked survivors withstand a hit, even without borrowed time, when hit mid animation.
I mean #########. Why is unhooking so ultra secure?
The game was supposed to be scary, but killers are actual rodeo clowns.
Even their emblems signal it, if you have an extremely good round and kill everyone first hook because of their own stupidity, you derank or black pip.
It's all about the survivors' fun level which is always the opposite of the killers fun level.
The level of sweat you have to put in the game in order to 2k in rank1+ is immensely and unbearable, so why can't killers atleast stop survivors unhooking in front of killers?
Survivors already have 10000 second chances, that's enough and it sucks to see someone running to your hook with you knowing, there is nothing you can do, because they are gonna have borrowed time and if they do not, they have decisive strike.
Not to mention, the exhaustion resets after getting hooked, because it's so freaking refreshing to get impaled on a meat hook, which defeats any strategy the survivors can bring up too, because they always have their exhaustion perks there when they need it.
I'm not saying per se, survivor are overpowered.
It's not always black and white, but depending on the map, the layout, the team, premades and the killer selection + addons, survivors can rip killers asses off.
While killers have the selection of like 2 killers which CAN do extremely good vs good survivors.
Also on top of that, the basement can't be blocked anymore, so unhooking is even more safe, because survivors clip through the killer, but the killer can't clip through the survivor.
Basically.
Basement stairs disabled collision => Second chance
Invincibility while getting unhooked => Second chance
Fake unhook with bugged grab => Second chance
Fake unhook + clip through hooked survivor => Second chance
Exhaustion reset on hook, because of the refreshing impale => Second chance
Borrowed time, Decisive Strike => 2 Second chances
So we reached 7 second chances a survivor can have when going for that unhook in front of your freaking face.
Please, BHVR, get your best guys out there to take a look at, how much fun that is.
They should play a rank 20 game and decide what to do with the game. (xD just kidding)
Conclusion:
I know, I sound pretty killer sided, but actually I really ain't.
I play the survivor the same as I play killer and of course the survivors side isn't all peachy either.
Playing rank 10-20 is a pain in the ass, as on of the better survivors and if you hit rank 1-10, you still get bad teammates sometimes making the game unplayable for the survivor.
The only solution is SWF which is unfair to the killer by all means.
(Solo players should be made fun again)
I'm writing too much, I think you get the argument.
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This may be the case at rank 1 gameplay but in my gameplay experiences survivors rush to unhook me without Borrowed Time, I get downed and put right back on the hook and they get off scott free. Then they do it again and I get killed without even really getting much of a chance to play the game if I'm the first one down. It's at these moments when I watch the game hoping the killer kills them. But then someone WITH Borrowed Time unhooks them at the end of the game and they get away and I'm even more annoyed. I wish it was a mechanic that you couldn't be unhooked in front of the killer unless the one unhooking you had Borrowed Time. Getting farmed pisses me off more than anything.
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You know whats funny all the words that says about second chance i mean why you camp tho ooh i get you must be a bubba main xd just gid gud and find other survivors hooks arent the big problem the big problem its gen rush thats it
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Just because there is a bigger problem, doesn't mean this ain't one too.
And no, I usuall don't camp, but when I verse a toxic SWF which camps hook harder than a p3 insidious leatherface, what am I supposed to do, mister?
Please before you argue, think about what you are going to say and try to put yourself into others mind, thanks k bye.
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When survivor saves other survivor when im close i already know that i have 99% of chances of winning .
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By the looks of it you are a Billy Main I wouldn't guess why you have a 99% chance of insta-down winning.
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This! This is what I thought this thread would be about. Not their second chances, although that is a bit of a problem, but the fact that their is no penalty for the person unhooking because the killer will go for the one unhooked 90% of the time. You can't really blame the killer unless both are injured or he can one hit down because common sense dictates to go for the injure due to them being quicker and easier to take down. Survivors are the ones to blame and I agree that they definitely need a penalty for someone who farms you off the hook intentionally. It would be hard to balance though if you are trying to pull a last minute save on a friend that the killer is camping but you can't unhook because you didn't bring borrowed time. Even if you were willing to die in their place you wouldn't be able to because you didn't bring a certain perk.
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"camps hooks harder than a P3 insidious Leatherface" XD That was a good one mate
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@Crazewtboy I mean they could make it where if you don't have Borrowed Time you get the exposed effect automatically if you unhook in the terror radius of the killer, making it where people won't WANT to do that normally.
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That could definitely work!
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if survivors doing swf than total yes,
if survivors not doing swf than its not much, it depends on what killer you use
maybe you should camping when you spotted other survivor near and try to unhook
yep, than you get benefit for sure especially when you playing myers or billy and nurse
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I dont mean by any sake borrowed time needs a nerf (expect it having an infinite bleed out timer, theoretically), but buffing it?
You joking right?
No, unhooking in front of the killer should be dangerous for the person UNHOOKING, not for the person getting unhooked.
Because of Ds and BT, there is no risk for the unhooked guy, but there should be one for the guy unhooking.
That's what I stated is my problem with them unhooking mechanics in the game.
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Its already is. Play better.
If they saving in front of you just grab them. If they dont hit them and when they performed a save you can down them easily. If you cant they werent rushing the hook .
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Any killer can punish survivors for hook rush saves. Stop blaming the game for your failures.
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I had a game where the same Ace unhooked survivors mid chase and when I hit him, I somehow always hit the immune unhooked person. He did the fake unhook thing but I thought nothing of it. I will look out for this now, thank you.
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Well thats okay. The worst is when you hit them at end of animation and hit wont register at all. So if you re late better wait out for animation to be over.
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Or the auto-aim that makes you hit a hooked survivor that clearly has an entire healthy or injured survivor between themselves and you...like, ????
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Survivors haven't been able to be hit during the unhook animation for a long time. How about you hit the person doing the unhooking? Learn the animation for the unhook sequence. Once the survivor begins to raise off the hook the save animation cannot be cancelled. You get the interrupt. Easy.
Survivors have 10,000 second chances and killers have unlimited second chances. Does Nurse ever run out of blinks? No. She can mess up as many blinks as she wants and keep going. Billy never runs out of gas, Spirit never runs out of haunt, Pig never runs out of dash. Killers can mess up their abilities 50,000 times and still have them up and ready to go. They nerfed exhaustion because it gave survivors infinite potential which is supposed to be reserved for killer only. I'm waiting for them to actually nerf self care and be done with the last infinite survivor perk and reserve that for killer only once and for all. Finite number of pallets, use enduring and spirit fury and pallets mean nothing. But my bbq stacks!!? Equip to win or equip for farm, the choice is yours.
Between original actual infinite's and ruin killers got kills. Ruin was a crutch used to let killers be lazy. Years later survivors learned that with 50% hit/miss on ruin it only takes an extra 20 seconds to work through ruin. Killers have to go back to trying. With the killers all saying rush gens to counter camping and then complains about survivors doing exactly what they were told to do is stupid. Every gen used to get 99% until killers got the ability to kick gens. Killers complained themselves out of a ton of extra time and now they have to deal with it.
Borrowed Time only saves a survivor if the doors are open, otherwise its farming on a leash. They get the safe unhook, you chase the bleeding person and the other survivor gets to go back to doing gens. Saving a survivor with a leash that allows them to run for 15 seconds before you think about them again. DS only works if you tunnel someone off the hook. That is a decision you make, not the survivor. Go find someone else, chase someone else and DS will never be seen again.
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and another killer main that complains for something pointless,i mean dbd has problems,many problems but rush unhooks its not a problem,if a survivor do that you should not tunnel but hook the saver,now with BT they will not be able to take extra hits,and ds will not be activated,of course if you have not hooked that person 30 seconds later,but in case that happens,they have used their ds very good and outplayed you,accept that,(like surv have to accept your noed :) ) don't call for a nerf,you can maybe say that MoM with borrowed time works like an old BT,but i will say that it is not really likely to happen,so the point of all this is understanding that unhook surv have second chances not the saver,just kill him is a 1 for 1
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No, Burger King Myers cannot punish for this...
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Yup. Unfortunately, a lot of the popular streamers know how to play the game, and make hook saves look easy. So solo low-rank players think they can do MLG hook saves without BT, and forget that only works if you can also bodyblock or bait a hook hit. Either that, or they purely are just farming so that the hatch will pop faster, since you don't even need the two gens to pop it anymore.
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currently host is killer and you can camping
if you spotted near survivor try to grap or go one shot ability killers
or oh yes... do nurse and don't care camping like me
you can ton's of mistakes but still win with this character
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@mcNuggets I know what you mean. Lately, I've been hitting the hooked while I swing at the unhooker who's beside me. It's like the hit detection sucks me towards the unhooked so not only do I not get any points, nor does it put them in bt state, I just got stunned (wait period after a swing), screwed and jilted all at once.
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