impossible to play swf on ps4 because the killer dodge
Hi everyone, I wanted to report a very serious problem for me that has come about in the last few days. And that surely others like me, who play on ps4, will have already seen. In practice, since waiting times for survivors on ps4 are already long (3-4 minutes if you're lucky), and when you play swf (80% of players on dbd) the killers leave the game.
This problem has come about because the killers find the matches instantaneously while the survivors do not, and then as you will understand, the killer does not care if he does damage to the survivor, he finds the instant games, hoping to find mixed players who don't play swf. For me this is a very serious problem that prevents me from playing DBD on ps4, waiting times in the lobby are already long in themselves.
then if the killer Quit is even worse, giving an example, this night out of 8 found killers, 6 went out. This problem occurs mainly in the evening, because in the afternoon as the killers also do not find the game right away, it is more difficult for them to go out (but some do it anyway). Could you do something to remedy this problem? for example, what do I know ... Put a waiting cooldown even for the killer as 2 or 3 minutes? And I also play killer eh ... I'm not saying to hurt the killers, on the contrary ... but it is not right that it is impossible to play swf. In my opinion some killers have taken it as fun left the game, and they do it on purpose.
I am in a very populated community of Dbd on ps4 and everyone is complaining, I advise you to resolve this situation, otherwise the game on Ps4 will die very soon. Thanks for reading, sorry if I spent a lot of time writing but I wanted to be clear.
P.S:I don't know if this is the official forum of the game, so I don't know if the developers of this game can read me. In case someone could tell me where I could send a message directly to them. Thank you.
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The thing is, people also dodge lobbies because of high ping, especially when there's THAT survivor that won't leave the lobby on his own, even having a 350 ping.
So what you're suggesting would also affect killers in those cases, which many people will find unfair.
Maybe when dedicated servers arrive, there will finally be a solution to both the lobby dodging problem and the DC one.
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Try to disimulate, if you are all P3 Claudettes with flashlights and map offerings dont expect the killer to stay in that lobby for long.
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Umm, my region must be the opposite, my survivor matches are instant or 2-3 mins max and my killer lobbies take 5-10 minutes just to load in. As above it might just be an issue with ping, I'll take any match I can get as a survivor, but some killers don't want to play against high ping. If I play killer against high ping survivors it just feels unfair to them because they often lag...hard, but I can't afford to dodge only to wait another 10 mins (and if it's any less/instant it tends to be a full SWF).
Plus I agree with luckyboi also that no-one wants a full lobby of flashlights or toolboxes with all survivors having the same character/cosmetic etc. The only time I'll ever dodge as a killer is if I recognise a really toxic survivor/SWF from a previous match, no one wants to play against an annoying squad/survivor twice...
Also of note is that the devs mentioned streamlining SWF in future so you don't disband after every match/reinvite, which will probably save some time/frustration along with the dedicated servers hopefully fixing the "ping dodge" issue.
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Facing survivors on PS4 in a SWF is torture as is, because like you said, about 80% of survivors on PS4 are SWF in one way or another. I can tell this because usually as a solo survivor, it's hard to get a match, but I can get one in 2-3 minutes. With 2 survivors in SWF, it can take upwards of 5-15 minutes(meaning it's usually 3+ SWF groups on PS4). I can understand why killers dodge, especially when seeing flashlights. I find a lot of killers bring moris the moment they see a flashlight as well. SWF also like to be annoying ######### while running you around too, and if you hit like 3 of them, eventually you'll find all three of their health states go back to healthy all together. It's really infuriating. Personally I feel aura reading is a big issue with the game and one of the main reasons SWF works a little too well. You can see people in the dying state without any perks. Same for hooks. It's a big reason why I started bringing Hex: Third Seal. I find that a lot of survivors can die on their first hook if I've hit all survivors with Third Seal even in SWF.
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Instant killer lobbies I wished I lived in the fantasy world you do. Where it doesn't take me about 15 minutes to get a lobby
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@Volfawott on PS4 killers are the ones with quick lobbies.
@OP I don’t dodge but I do slug. :)
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@GrootDude what region/rank? I find mine are still taking a long time, ps4 too. Meanwhile survivor at all ranks is 3-5 minutes max, but usually 1min or instant.
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@GrootDude that's interesting, I'm at about rank 13 because I've only just started again after reset/didn't play much killer last season and I'm not noticing a difference pre/post reset or post anniversary event, it's still taking forever for killer lobbies for me. You'd think a majority of players would be around mid ranks post reset though, so it doesn't make a lot of sense that it takes so long, especially when sometimes I just want to do dailies and it's putting me off playing killer a lot lately. Maybe it's just the time, but I've tried afternoon, nights, weekends, no real difference, only time I get a fast lobby is a SWF group.
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Why shouldn't a killer dodge a swf lobby?
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What’s the secret to knowing who swf?
honestly I do play on pc more(better controls and frame rate) I do sometimes play on ps4 so =p
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DbD is currently not balanced for killers to play against SWF, so I don't blame killers for dodging SWF groups.
Instead of punishing killers for dodging, simply make the game balanced so that killers don't see the reason to dodge anymore.
When I play SWF, I don't bring items, so I increase my chances of not getting dodged. It works well. SWF is powerful enough, you don't need items anyway.
Btw: Since you don't recognize the problem of imbalance, you should play killer more. It will widen your horizon.
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No sympathy for you I'm afraid. SWF is literally the most unfair, unbalanced element of the game. It is an immediate advantage to survivors and a huge disadvantage to killers. It's been said hundreds of times, but here's why:
- Team communication: exposing killers location, exposing killers perks, discussing which gens to do, discussing where totems are, discussing who should go for unhooks and who should bait the killer.
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Guys I'm the first to say that the swf is unbalanced. Indeed, I also always say to my friends that Killer vs swf wins swf. The killers come out whether we carry objects or that we are without objects, that is not the main reason for me. The thing that I find mostly unbalanced is the waiting time, (I am rank purple at all 2) a survivor finds the game in 3-4 minutes, while the killer in my region (more or less Southern Europe) finds it instantaneous, and so you can get out of 10 games in a row. So according to what you say I have to play by myself and without my friends, even spending more time in the queue, just because this isn't good for the killer? FOR ME IT IS AN UNBONDED THING.
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I don't blame any killer that dodges swf. Odds of offerings with broken maps go way to high with swf. It also takes no skill to beat any killer with free communication so yeah... cry a river. Survivors are doing it to themselves.
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Then you don't understand the concept, the killer leaves the lobby, not the game! not even time to enter the lobby and Quit. Rereading me maybe I explained myself wrongly, THE KILLERS LEAVE FROM THE LOBBY INSTANTLY NOT GIVEN IN COURSE OR DURING THE OFFERS.
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He knows exactly what you're talking about. That doesn't make a difference. Facing SWF is a miserable experience and I don't blame others for wanting to avoid it
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I understand and understand your reasoning, but in the end this thing will not bring benefits to people, because sooner or later people will loose themselves and will no longer play losing a large number of players. You are probably right, there is a fundamental problem, but the game cannot induce you to play alone and without friends, also because the survivor experiences a bad experience alone, other than the killer ...
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Yeah they need to close the gap between solo and swf, and then buff killers to keep up with SWF coordination
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or a temporary solution, let the killers find the matches after 3-4 minutes or more, so let's see if they always come out in the lobby. In that case I will let you know that the killer will be content to play even swf, trust me.
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It's pretty easy for a killer to tell if they're facing SWF or not. Doesn't need to be evident in the lobby.
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True, but at least make the situation balanced, because the killer finds the lobby instantly, while the survivor has to spend time, a lot of time. I tell you one thing, so why during the afternoon, the killers are content to play swf, while the evening doesn't? Simple, because in the afternoon they too take some time to find a game, while the evening they find them immediately, they can go out into the lobbies as often as they wish.
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the killer DOES NOT find a lobby instantly on ps4, you are dreaming!
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Killer doesn't find a lobby instantly anymore. Often times you're left looking for a game for a while
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Guys I don't know if you're lying, but anyway I'm not doing it either. To me personally when I play killer at night, I find the matches instantly, about 10 seconds of waiting, while when I play as a survivor I have to spend so much time to find a game. I am in Europe, more precisely in Italy. However I've already written it, regardless of the reasons, if the survivors can't play swf, everyone will abandon the game forever. In my opinion you are killer men, and you have probably never put yourself in the shoes of survivors, you are probably the first to leave the lobbies as soon as you see the swf, and for this reason you will never agree with me.
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Dude typically most players play both roles. You're clearly the outlier considering how many people complain about absurd killer queue times. Lobby dodging has been around since SWF started and the game has a strong consistent playerbase on all platforms so that's not about to make everyone abandon it forever.
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Instant killer lobbies on PS4? On PC you can only dream. They put an artificial timer before starting the lobby here a few patches ago, because SWF kept crying about lobby dodging. I wont blame the killers for doing so. No one wants to play against cheaters.
They will probably do the same change on PS4 soon, I can assure you. Because thats easier than fixing the actual imbalalance of Cheats with Friends.
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Why? They would complain about survivors doing when they are running BBQ, camping, tunneling etc, so they can suck it up and deal with the swf and get better.
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I exposed my idea, for me the killers come out of the lobby not only because they swf, but because they find the matches immediately, instantly or not. This problem will always exist but the situation that has arisen is terrible, you can't wait 4 minutes in the lobby to be immediately expelled because swf, and having to wait 4 minutes again, and then 4 minutes again. while the killer finds them much more quickly and does not create problems.
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That's what I'm trying to say, put a minimum time to wait for the killers, so the urge to leave immediately passes, so you also balance the situation, because the survivor takes time to play while the killer much less.
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You say this but typically killers wait 10-15 minutes for a lobby only to get stuck with a 4 man SWF group and then the killer has a miserable time. At the end of the day it's gonna be a bad time for someone anyway. Only fix is to close the balance gap between all 3 factions.
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Yeah SWF dodging has been getting especially bad lately. Me and my 4 man got dodged like 8 times in a row yesterday, we didn't even have any items equipped. Only two of us that were same survivor with both ace's, no Claudettes.
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But are you sure about what you say? but are you an Asian type or are you in America? Because here in Europe he finds them right away, maximum 20 seconds if it takes a lot of time. But I personally when I play killer I agree to play with anyone, even with premade, I also have the screen that I played a swf that had 3 insta heal and 1 Green toolbox, and I did 3 out of 4 just because the last one was it is saved with deliverence. Then I play with my friends is True, but we are not bastards that we put billions of objects and with the same skins. Many times they come out even when we are not full swf, even when we play in 2 or 3 without objects. This is easy for them to do because as much as I said 10 times, they immediately find the games unlike the swf and in general the survivors.
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Go play killer. Reach rank 1. Then come back and tell us how fun it was to face swf on Haddonfield every fifth game.
Its eirher this or you will face nurses only. Swf needs adressing, we presented multiple solutions that would fix the problem but devs just choose to ignore. Every time you go full swf you make another survivors face angry nurse later on.
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What I'm trying to say, the game isn't enough that it's unbalanced, but so is it in the lobby!
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Playing from Canada but 10 minutes of browsing the forum is enough to see how many problems people have with long killer queue times. You're clearly an outlier, but since you're unable to see that yourself then this conversation isn't going anywhere.
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If I did not reach rank 1 rank not because I do not have the skills but because I do not play so much, and in any case I have many friends who have become rank 1 with the killer playing with swf and do not complain too much because they know the game is unbalanced. and in any case they are rank 7-8 and they are all swf when I play Killer, at most you find 2 pairs of 2.
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The devs give the killer option to leave the lobby, just like teabagging its in the game, so might wanna get used to it.
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@Angelino244 There are no such things as killer main in you understanding. To be good killer one need to play survivor regurarly, but other way arround - no.
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Obviously we are talking about two different situations, but this is the situation in Europe. If the game has been unbalanced for swf for years, I don't see how they can fix it in the short term, they probably never will. I repeat that the problem I exposed is different from that of the unbalanced game, even if they are connected to each other. The killers leave the games even if there are 3 friends and no objects.
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I understand what you're saying. I'm telling you to deal with it. Playing killer is already infuriating sometimes, they hardly need to make it worse just so SWF have more fun
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I don't care about the difficulty spike but the vast majority of SWF are Bad word so i doesn't surprise me.
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in addition, survivors also have the option to leave the match/lobby before it starts, this is a common function in the game.
Survivors literally drop in and out of lobbies all the time, but if a killer does it, its somehow needs to be nerfed. Tell that to the survivors who constantly jump from lobby to lobby making killers wait 10+ minutes.
LOL
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Dear boy, I'm not a tryhard man, I play with 2-3 friends for fun on Dbd and we communicate the right. You will understand that if in an hour we can play a one game (if we are lucky) we prefer to abandon the game and dedicate ourselves to something else. The problem you say is a fundamental problem that will never be solved, and if this prevents you from playing swf, at this point they will directly take the option of playing with friends and say you can only play alone, don't you think?
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No, I don't. I fully think the devs could buff solo players to have the same information gain as SWF, and then buff killers to accomodate.
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I have met less than 10 4man SWF groups in 1500 hours that genuine was there to have fun without plan to bully killer by any means. Meaning no OoO, insta meds, gen rush toolboxes, bs map offerings or anything like that, just to have good time with friends.
That being said. I dont dodge SWF, I fight fire with fire, yet I can see why people dont bother and just dodge them instead of falling to their toxicity level.
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It looks like your region is plagued with survivors and there are just a few killers.
Why not playing killer for some time and enjoy the insta-lobbies, instead?
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Because I play more often with friends than without, I am not referring only to DBD but to all the games I play. So if I want to play a few games with some friends I would like to be free to do it quickly and not wait 1 hour to play a game. But since this game can't give me what I want, I think I won't play swf anymore and I'll rarely play killer games.
In fact I tell you more, if it was not for the "love" of the game it would have been a long time that we would have abandoned, trusted. We are just a few friends playing for fun and we don't necessarily use OP items or toxic ######### techniques. So according to your reasoning when I play Killer, should I spend minutes and minutes to find a mixed game? no, I don't think so, I also put myself in the shoes of survival that wait minutes and minutes to find the lobbies and then the killer goes out (not all swf are toxic I met serious people too).
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It's simple: Stop cheating with VOCAL :p
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Lack of players in your region is not the game or killers fault.
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