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The Nerf Cycle

So, the Nurse is on the chopping block after MUCH survivor crying. It's easy to see where this is going. Let's start with OG FREDDY.


FREDDY is released on a FREE WEEKEND. Many fetus survivors are getting stomped in low ranks. To survivor credit, even the vets said he's trash. What do the devs do? They nerf Freddy to Atlantis. Be remains in Atlantis until recently he was able to escape and reside in Sea world. He's better now, but he's not a R1 threat like the top 5.


Legion is released on PTB. Everyone screamed 115% blah blah you know the story. The devs give us whatever they want. Killers adapt to his weaknesses with moonwalking and FMT slaughter. The survivors CRIED so much not even Justin Timberlake had a response. What do the devs do? They nerfed Legion so hard that his power actually hinders him more than helps. Make that make sense. They nerf everything about legion turning him into an M1 killer.


We all know PLAGUE was HIGH MID TIER on PTB. Survivors cry she may be too threatening because she's %115 holding vomit. Devs? Nerfed. High low tier low mid tier status.


Pig nerfed for no reason whatsoever.


Freddy add-ons sent to Gideon Meat factory... FOR NO REASON. Nobody cried about his gimmick add-ons. Thana caught in the crossfire and nerfed for no damn reason.


Now that I have you caught up, this is what's going on. Nurse is about to be gutted. Next will be Billy since he will then be arguably #1 after Nurse is destroyed. Billy will somehow be nerfed because he's been cried about forever now, despite being CRAZY LOOPABLE. After Billy is sent to purgatory, Spirit WILL most certainly be nerfed. Survivors cry about her because you can't loop her or just sit on gens without paying attention. After she's dead, huntress will be made %115, but her add ons will be killed. After these 4 are DESTROYED, all that will be left is HAG to rule over everyone.


I can see it now. It's been proven consistent crying from survivors will make the devs swing the hammer nervously despite killers experiencing many "Dark Times." Still, Gen rush, SWF, Looping etc isn't addressed. Not an attack on the devs so no need to try to close this one mods. I'm simply predicting the future.

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Comments

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,905

    There had better not be people saying Legion needs a nerf.

  • Talmeer
    Talmeer Member Posts: 1,520

    Some Legion mains have maybe say that he should be nerfed, but the majority not and can we please listen to the majority. I mean that is not north corea here, or what?

    I can just laugh at anyone who had find the default Legion without addons to strong - with addons sure, she was, no questions here, but that didn't justifys the mega nerf.

    And yes, the nerf cycle seems indeed alive.

    That's why the killer community as a whole need to be vocal, at least more vocal as the nerf crying minority of survivors. In the game, I have often meet different survivors to the survivors in the forums.

    Those survivors have liked to play games where they got challenged, but of course those survivors post not very often in the forums, if they ever look in one, that said.

    For the health of the game, we need to be loud.

  • oxygen
    oxygen Member Posts: 3,334
    edited July 2019

    I think most people can agree that the original Freddy slaughtering was a mistake, and while the initial Pig RBT change that came with EGC is one thing the recent change of her ambush attack to not being considered a basic attack just leaves me confused.

    But original Legion was something that a LOT of survivors and killers alike found to be total bullshit. Nurse can "ignore defenses" with practice, skill and knowledge, OG Legion only required the player to be sentient, have at least one functional hand and room temperature IQ. Are there things that I disagree with in their rework? For sure, I see no reason that they shouldn't get their old vault speed back, move faster in Frenzy, their ability/deep wound being better and that sort of thing, but FMT moonwalking and 1001 frenzy stab Legion getting sent to the shadow realm was incredibly deserved.

    No one actually knows what they are going to do, personally I'm just hoping they rework a lot of the very underused add-ons she has (like all the purple add-ons with interesting strong effects but -1 blink as a downside).

  • Darkskies
    Darkskies Member Posts: 1,158

    I am calling it now her add ons will be changed and she will get the after a successful blink attack you inflict "insert status effect" for certaun amount of time.

    🐷

  • Marcus
    Marcus Member Posts: 2,047
    edited July 2019

    Killer mains said Legion needed a rework, not a nerf, because Legion was very weak unless moonwalking or Frank's Mix Tape were involved, without these things he was low tier. Instead of just fixing his exploits and broken add-ons, they overnerfed his Feral Frenzy. I don't see any reason for his Frenzy speed or vault speed to be slower when he even can't down survivors anymore with it. Also, devs were very lazy about his add-ons, now 80% of them are trash.

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  • DBDbuildsYT
    DBDbuildsYT Member Posts: 1,042

    True, the Legion change made legion boring and uninspiring, they need to rework them properly

  • LordGlint
    LordGlint Member Posts: 8,684

    @Cymer Considering you only need to use a common (brown) addon for Freddy's pallets, I wouldnt really consider him addon dependent. Even if you use pallets EVERY game, your likely to NEVER run out of addons for pallet use.

  • Cymer
    Cymer Member Posts: 946

    you still lose one add-on slot.

    I don't like restrictions. I rather have a choice and flexibility how I can play.

  • Marcus
    Marcus Member Posts: 2,047

    Well, majority of Freddy add-ons even aren't worth using.

  • Cymer
    Cymer Member Posts: 946

    Another example for a unfinished rework. You are supporting my chase. Thank you.

  • MegsAreEvil
    MegsAreEvil Member Posts: 819

    So you really want to deny that nerfs for the killers were needed? Sorry, but that only shows low understandings of the whole game balance. Killers who can outplay game mechanics arent well balanced. therefor i will tell you next target will be spirit. and thats totally ok.

  • Tzeentchling9
    Tzeentchling9 Member Posts: 1,796

    So which rule number is "Thou shall be looped." In the Survivors' Rulebook for Killers?

  • MegsAreEvil
    MegsAreEvil Member Posts: 819

    So WHERE did i mention loops? Ah right, NOWHERE. So whats wrong with you?

  • Tzeentchling9
    Tzeentchling9 Member Posts: 1,796
    edited July 2019

    So what game mechanics are we talking about being "outplayed" in regards to the Nurse and the Spirit, hmm?

  • Talmeer
    Talmeer Member Posts: 1,520

    To be fair, if a survivor complains about something in a discussion like this, he usually means looping. So I don't think its surprising, that this got assumed first.

    The stealth and gen rush guys are usually like their playstyle... aka. very silent :).

  • KaoMinerva
    KaoMinerva Member Posts: 451

    Funny because when I use Omegablink and don't destroy them, it's GGEZ. (I use pad and only have like 250 hours total.)


    When the legendary killers that have 4500+ hours destroy with nurse, she needs nerfs? Stop it

  • FruityMemes
    FruityMemes Member Posts: 55

    I feel like this is kinda a little of an overreaction. I mainly play survivor and I never really complain about killers except nurse and spirit. Now against spirit I'm just bad against her that's all. But nurse is actually really strong to a point it can be unfair. If you are a rank 1 nurse you can kill people so easily and the survivor can barely do anything other than mind games and it doesn't work for long unless you lose the killer and again a good killer isn't easy to shake off. At the least they should just make pallets actually stun her because I have had too many scenarios where I stun her and it just ignores it completely

  • Wubsyy__
    Wubsyy__ Member Posts: 116

    Personally the only problem I have with the game is the Plague. There's not a real counterplay to her. The nurse can be outplayed and outsmarted, and the nurse can outplay and outsmart survivors back. I think killers should be strong like the nurse or the huntress, however, the Plague takes that mindset to the true extreme. She has no counterplay in the slightest, her attempt at counterplay proving worse for survivors than just letting themselves be one shot the whole game. How come no one is complaining about her?

  • samination
    samination Member Posts: 312

    A bit dramatic, no?

  • MegMain98
    MegMain98 Member Posts: 2,919

    @Wubsyy__ If you think Plague is anywhere near Nurse’s level then you are crazy. If you deny her Corrupt Purge you are a constant instadown but she is still VERY loopable.

    If you give her Corrupt Purge she has a range attack for 60 seconds but you can easily hide from her. She is tall and has a large terror radius.

    My point is that you can always escape a Plague.

  • Science_Guy
    Science_Guy Member Posts: 2,034

    Most whiners on this forum are. They're so blinded by bias it actively limits their ability to reason.

  • Sluzzy
    Sluzzy Member Posts: 3,130

    And when the good nurse plays a SWF and gets dunked by a genrush team despite downing people asap, it's 'another trash nurse'

    Nurse is not an automatic win.

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,905

    Oh, yes. I must admit, they may have gone a little too far with that nerf.

  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223

    Yea but the problem is Legion's power is inherently flawed. The only actual solution would be a complete rework, which would take forever considering how long Freddy took. So instead of doing that, they just decided to nerf him. They said they plan to revisit Legion in the stream, so this solution was probably just temporary until they could devote the time to an actual rework.

  • ArecBalrin
    ArecBalrin Member Posts: 636

    Except the ones survivors are fine with using when all their resources for their preferred playstyle are exhausted and what they used to do before pallet-looping was introduced(not every survivor used infinites back then) along with 6+ stackable 2nd-chance perks.