Survivor sided game. Prove me wrong. I'll respond

So is your argument directed towards the red ranked portion of the game?

What about anything below?

After not touching killer for a while sure is nice to completely curb stomp my way back. That's my take though, I can't neccesarily agree with this. There's so many dependent factors that if one favors a side they pretty much win over the other.

Sorry man, I was just joking. The thing I wrote is a meme that comes from a popular youtuber.

LOL good meme

You forget some stupid but important fact... You cannot know the surv perks... But in the prematch loading says the name of the killer ( not all the time but, it's a fact) destroying the minimal surprise factor. Instantly they know how to play (you)

It's really disappointing that all you can do is make a statement here and be the point of jokes and angry from the same toxic main surv twitch.tv YouTube unknown artist who are wannabes from real streamers. You mix that with swf possibility and get the game going like a Titanic. If they don't make some serious changes... They gonna drown.

I make the stupid survey, what a lost of time they destroy the only stupid weapon that killers gotten.. I used 2 times Hex ruin.

Personally think all ruin it's a waste of perk slot.

I like your post.

12 hooks is a really rare situation honestly.. If you 4k, you usually snowball at some point and can one hook/two hook the last 2 survivors. And not saying of survivors that don't get unhooked fast enough to not go into struggle because of pressure/commited to finish their gens before. I think at most 4k games end with 10 hooks.

And about the difference in objectives, I'll had that every hooked survivor is a new objective added for survivors.

I don't disagree that the game is survivor oriented, but that's just not as bad as people say, people like to complain, and exagerate things. And ignore facts that don't go their way.

Firstly do not you expect to get 4K. Devs wanna balance this game like 2 escape and 2 death. So even survivors completed their objectives 6/6 like %100, you can still complete yours, still get 4K maybe 2K. Sometimes survivors loose at the end game. There are some options for you to choose. Tunnel, slug and camp. If you tunnel or slug you may complete your objective faster than you think.

Point-2

Killers run much faster than survivors. Killers can see stratch marks. This is not a reason to talk about it I think. This is just how the game goes on.

Point-3

Even survivors have 12 slots, they usually use same perks. Because they need to use them to have better chance to survive. So you are not against 12 different perks. Iron Will or Dead Hard are generally used by survivors even they are SWF. So “12 perk slots” idea is not really logical to me. And every survivor does not play in a SWF team or does not play as a teamplayer. There is still huge population that plays as random. Many perks are not used in a team work. Many of them are personal perks. Like DS, self-care, iron will, DH, SB, quick and quiet, urban etc. So also you should think each survivornas a different player who tries to survive. Do not completely think them as a perfect team. They are also individuals who may focus on survive and escape instead of being efficient teamplayer.

Point-4

As items or toolboxes, killer moris and some usefull or OP add-ons make sense in same degree in my opinion. If it bothers you, you may use franklins demise. I do not know. That should not make sense. Because this is how the game goes on. Many survivor items are not that much powerfull except keys(since insta heals are nerfed). Toolboxes may need some nerf.

Point-5

Skill checks are not really important part of the game since there was not old ruin. So they are easy or not, in reality mind games,maps, offerings, strategies, builds and team works do matter. They are the important part of the game for survivors. I mean killers also do not do anything hard. Clicking mouse-1 and nothing more. Why would survivors have harder or challenging skill checks...

As I said there is something just because of that is the way how the game goes on. Killers have red stain but they are faster and they can see stratch marks and bloods. They have bloodlust mechanic in chases. Survivors have only perks while killers have also specific powers+ perks that can help them to track and down survivors easier. I am not complaining because that is the game. Just think them as simple elementary rules. If you do not like red stains or you think that helps survivors a lot, you may try to play as stealth killer. If you find survivors hardly, you may use doctor or freddy and make them scream or you may use perks like discordance, barbeque or infectious fright. There are lots of choices for you.

Point-6

That is how the game is again. I know that may be unfair for you or other killers. But it is an asymetric game 1vs4. If there is a person more than 1, there will be communication for sure. If the communication starts, other things come after for sure. We just can not make the game 1killer vs 1 survivor. So even there are random survivors, there will be little communication with gestures or guesses to play it more efficiently against the killer. That does not mean the game is survivor sided. There are some advantages-disadvantages of playing killer and survivor. So... That is just the game and how the game is.

For others below your points, I may write much more than I think so I wanna end it here. There are hardnesses of playing as killer and being against 4 people. But also different hardnesses for survivors, too. Like getting tunneled and facecamped. Red ranks may be sweaty. There are lots of things to talk so... :D

this game is pathetically survivor sided (i’m a survivor main) and they refuse to fix it and they WONT. i’m almost at the point of giving up at this game lmao.

This is one of those things that is just completely subjective. It largely depends on what your criteria are for the game being fair. I mean you could have someone else look at every point you made in your post and think every one of those things is perfectly balanced. That doesn't necessarily mean either of you are wrong. It just means you have a different set of standards as to what makes the game balanced.

There are tons of thing that they need to fix in this game. I am just saying that they wanna balance it. It is not balanced and working on %100 but t I mean since ruin was nerfed at red ranks still killers get 4K or 0K. 2K does not mean that the killer loose or win. But If you get 4K(which is hard at those ranks for killer if they are facing with good SWF team) surelly there must be different rewarding. You may have noed and blood warden so it makes a suprise for the end game. Trust me I have seen lots of matches that we loose at the end. If you make enough pressure on survivors, you may high chance to win even they completed their objectives.

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Well If the killer does it without reason and regardless then it is despised by many of them. I am survivor main but I play as killer as well. After I started to play as killer I understand killers and why they tunnel and camp in some scenarious. And I am not mad If I am tunneled and camped. Especially if the gens are popped really fast. I mean it is the way how you play. You need to do the right thing to make pressure without listening everyone. I think in this forum lots of people are killr mains so they will say the same thing about tunneling,camping or sugging. It is allowed in this game and not a ban reason because it is situational tactic. You have an option. So devs do not forbid it but they made perks for survivors to make it harder for killers. I am not telling you to facecamp. But depending on the popping gens, you may try to tunnel. At least, you can hit the unhooked person and let him down(if he has DS), and go after the unhooker. He will stay on the ground and someone will mess with him instead of doing gens. And at that time you will be chasing another survivor. Also you may make far camp and get free hit from the unhooker. I do not know :D It is how I play and how I put pressure on survivors. And in my opinion it works.

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For sure killers have to be faster. I am not complaining about it. I just said that there are some game mechanics and basic rules. There are + and - for survivors and killers. And I am not thinking about why. I think they are all okey since I played both sides. I mean if a survivor is injured also he will be bleeding and groaning(if he does not have Iron Will). You can listen voices, sounds and track bloods or stratch marks. But as a survivor, they also need to know where the killer comes from to do something otherwise It makes the game unfair for them. Imagine you are against something that almost knows where you are and you can not understand where it comes from. It would be frustrating. And not only bloodlust, also there is entity block on the windows. You can hide your red stain by moonwalking. These are basic game rules and mechanics that I am used to it. I think they are OK.

3- I know about DS and BT which usually make killers frustrated. But that is how devs make it. They do not completely prevent gen rushing, camping, slugging(they also support it with Infectious Fright and Oni), tunneling. They just make perks to prevent them a little bit for both sides. But as I said, If you put on enough pressure at the beginning that will be better. Instead of hitting the unhooked survivor you may hit the unhooker. You may wait a little bit before hitting the unhooked survivor(untill BT timer will end) then just down him and let him stay on the ground instead of picking(Because of DS). Still good killers do not suffer from DS or BT since they know that to do about it.

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You are right. Both of them are changing the the whole game if they are used in the correct way. But in my opinion still moris are better than keys. Because you need to complete 5 gens if there are 4 survivors alive(exit gates are powered in this situation why would use the key and escape from the hatch xD), 4 gens if there are 3 survivors, 3 gens if there are 2 survivors. Also you have to find the hatch. For mori it is enough for killer to hook a surivor for once and then tunnel and you get rid of 1 of them. Well, I do not have problem with moris and keys anymore(I used to be really frustrated and find them unfair :P). I actually find them funny for both sides. They make the game interesting. Especially hatch escapes with key.

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I do not know the top 3 killers but probably Oni, Billy and Freddy. But at red ranks huntress is pretty strong even she is slower than other killers. I think fast killers are chosen not because of winning the chases. Because of the gen pressure. Oni, Billy and Freddy are really good to check the gens and put on pressure. I think playing and winning as a killer is usually about putting pressure on survivors. Then other thing just come after it. But still good killers can put pressure on survivors with different killers. Specific builds, add-ons make the game interesting.

Well as it is said, asymmetric. If the game was like CS:GO(5vs5) there would not be any problem. The problem is that is really hard to balance the game for both sides because of its nature. There will be disadvantage for killers and survivors in different topics. For example, 3 people are gen rushed and 1 survivor is caught and camped and died. It is not fair for that survivor. For killer 4 people are doing things together and well-organized. It is unfair for killer but It happens. I think that is because of the game. There will be different advantages and disadvantages for both sides. The game will never be balanced. But at least if people understand each other(both killers and survivors), at least the toxicity and complaints about the balance of the game in this forum will decrease. But for this, people need to get rid of "Killers" and "Survivors" mentality I mean "we" and "they" mentality...

I am glad If I can help or make a different perspective for you. You may check good youtubers,streamers who play as killer main. So you may see different builds and game plays and how the good killers come through some of problems

Survivor sided balance wise? Not even close. Survivor sided experience wise? Yea they need 4 survivors for every killer 4head.

Hm idk, I’m up in the air on this one as. 40/60 killer player bc I 3k-4K more than i escape, both at red ranks- it seems to me It’s killer sided, but the whole game isn’t based on my win streak lol so I’m gonna say it’s based on skill and tbh there are killers who have 80% kill rates like Freddy and Hag (75% or so) and that high of a percent would be hard to screw up IMO. There are easier and harder killers to play, and it takes skill to play certain killers like Billy, Hag, Oni, Nurse, Huntress, there is no skill choice for survivor because they are reskins. If you pick one of the killers who actually requires strategy or coordination, then it’s survivor sided. If you pick any of the killers who only require a basic knowledge of the game, then you’re into balanced/killer sided territory.

honestly I wish survivors had special skills or stats... then there would be more accurate ways to tell? Maybe lol

all I know is when I was rank 15 killer I bodied A rank 2-4 SWF w Nurse (going for her adept) and it was a battle to the end but it wasn’t imbalanced.

again this is my experience and not applying to everyone lol so take it w a grain or 10 of salt 🧂

also here are some funny pics of spirit

Yes why are survivors skins? Makes no sense :(

So you say some killers make the game balanced while others aren't strong enough. Sounds accurate to me.

Hmm I'm pretty sure people know how to play survivor though...

Pretty much!

there needs to be a buff for the “worst” Killers and some form of ability for high learning curve killers to be able to control gens (if you notice all of them besides Freddy and Billy have poor gen pressure)

bc the results of stats for the high rate killers I think are based mostly on people who stuck around long enough to learn and master them

Take Hag for example: second highest kill rate, very low pick rate, high learning curve so the people consistently playing her are pushing through that learning curve.

in contrast: Freddy : low/no

learning curve, high pick rate, highest kill rate

who is the average or casual player person going to main between the two?

(it’s Freddy lol)

Looks like you're arguing for the sake of arguing, as your point is based purely on semantics and wording, but I'll oblige anyways.

You're not correct. RNG links each trap to a jigsaw box at the start of the match. Neither the pig nor the survivor knows what box each trap is linked to. It would be in the survivor's hands to pick the right box (or in the killer's hands to pick the right time to trap a survivor based on their location) if they had a hint or a clue as to which box contains their key. They don't. Survivors can choose their pathing in order to be able to go through all 4 (or 5) boxes in the quickest amount of time, but that has no impact on whether they'll "choose" the correct one on their first, second, third, fourth or fifth attempt.

Going back to my point in this scenario RNG can work both in the killer's or the survivor's favour.