Why does it seem like people dont want this game balanced

Lordtobirama666 said:

I play as survivors 80% of the time and any time I play as the killer I kill all 4 every time with ease to me it I just don't understand where every one gets that the killers are underpowered 

Yeah, try rank 1 unless you are a god nurse. No offense.

@powerbats said:

@Ihatelife said:
Please, play against the amazing SWF with their 4 DS,SC,SB and adrenaline at rank 1

Yes because every game is a full 4 man swf group and ever single one they all run DS, SC, SB and AD at rank 1. It's almost as if you pulled numbers out of thin air again as usual to back up your claims. Well that's just one pic that blows your histrionics out of the water.

I don't know why did you cover the chat . Anyway, it is not told that you can't get 4k on rank 1, because it is possible, even playing against SWF. The majority of players on that rank are usually SWF or people that can cooperate with the best perks and that are repairing the generators really quickly.

I think the issue with balance in general is the difficulty to balance the game in terms of skills cap. There is a pretty big difference between low rank vs high rank players and balancing for one tends to screw the other. If you balance for the young survivor the elder exploits the system. IF you make the game balanced toward more experienced survives young survives get wiped out with out a chance to learn. Further the power of the killer should = 4 survives, but the gap between solo players vs SWF is huge enough that balancing for one again unbalances the other. DBD suffers from the fact it does not want new game modes, it can't balance ranking to be meaningful, and the very one dimension of the game with so many variables leaves a logistic nightmare to correctly implement a true balance... because again... so many gaps between groups.

@Lordtobirama666 said:
All you hear is killers crying all the time how there super underpowered and the survivor's are overpowered which is absolutely incorrect every dedicated killer just wants to turn the game into them winning every single match with no effort at all instead of just getting better at the game why does no one seem to want this game balanced at all ?

Yet another "non-argument topic"
"You just want to win every rounds" isn't an argument. It's a statement, and it's a false one.

@powerbats said:

@Runiver said:

@Lordtobirama666 said:
All you hear is killers crying all the time how there super underpowered and the survivor's are overpowered which is absolutely incorrect every dedicated killer just wants to turn the game into them winning every single match with no effort at all instead of just getting better at the game why does no one seem to want this game balanced at all ?

Yet another "non-argument topic"
"You just want to win every rounds" isn't an argument. It's a statement, and it's a false one.

True and sadly both sides extremists do this to insult the other side. Most people want a fun game that also can give them a good scare. Well occasionally a good scare since having a Myers sneakily stalk you and never be noticed is enough in 1 game.

Pretty much.
Most people just want a "balanced game for their level of play", which is very usually a casual mode, while the game should be balanced around a competitive mode in the first place. Which is why this game will never get balanced at this point : it's made to please casual players, and throw cheesy stuff at them they can use.

At least, devs are heading (slowly) in the right direction by tweaking a few stuff.

It's the Survivors who just want to bully the Killer and have their wins handed to them. When BHVR actually tries to balance the game, they whine and moan. Instead of trying to help them get better by giving tips or just ignoring their complaints, BHVR gives in them and buffs Survivors to shut them up. They don't really care about Killers that much. All they care about is their Survivors and money. They're so scared of their Survivors quitting and making them lose money that they will mess up the balance even more just to get them to stay. I honestly think that it'll take the game losing the majority of players for them to change and start caring about Killers. Unless they can do what Ubisoft did and bring back a nearly dead game (R6 Siege was going to fail if Ubisoft hadn't continued supporting it like they did), then it might end up being too late for them to get their 20k+ players back and the game would forever have a small playerbase.

It’s because people “think” the game is balanced right now because they play bad and die but think it’s the killer or they see killers at rank 1 performing well. Killers can perform well at rank 1 because survivors play bad or they are bad and only got to high ranks because of crutch perks/bad game design in favor of easy survivor gameplay so they shouldn’t even be there. It basically boils down to people not recognizing the reason they lost was because they or their team played bad and not actually because of the games balance. If survivors and killers are playing at the actual same skill level the survivors will win every time. The killer only wins if the survivors let them.

Lordtobirama666 said:

See I don't want the game unbalanced I feel the killers should have a little more of a advantage because hell there killers but some people just go overboard on how they want the killers to be pretty much unbeatable where the survivor's never live 

The spelling, grammar and complete lack of punctuationin this one gave me a stroke to read. But no  most killers just want their skill to actually matter. As it is now, a perfect killer will ALWAYS lose against perfect survivors. 100% of the time, no exceptions. 

Vietfox said:

There are many killers who manage to stay at rank 1 till the end of the season, it can't be that unbalanced if that happens. People who usually complain too much about balance are usually people who:
1 - need to get better
2 - hate when they get destroyed, doesnt matter if rarely happens.
I'm not saying that game doesnt need some tweaks, but some suggestions or accusations towards survivors are simply ridiculous, especially when some people think all survivors are the same.

It's not about staying at rank 1. It's about how stressful it is and how much effort each side has to bring in to "enjoy" the game.
A rank 1 non nurse/billy player has to try harder than the average survivor.

@Global @SnakeSound222 It's funny you both say survivors just want to bully the killer, so I'll ask you both the same thing. Where do you get your information from, where's the data backing up your claims? Have you both talked to every single survivor and or swf player out there to back up your claims?

I know for a fact that when I play swf I'm doing so to have fun with my friends, to laugh at our mistakes and the killers. To try and out mind game the killer by juking one way then another and then cringing when we run into a dead end. When the game is over if the killer wasn't a total jerk we say gg and congratulate them.

The simple fact is most players on both sides just want to have fun, there'll always be toxic jerks in any community and on both sides. Most are just casual players trying to have fun and no at ranks 1-5 it isn't a toxic fest at least on pc.

In fact most of my games have been really cool and I've had way more toxic solo q players at those ranks than swf. I've been griefed and or sandbagged more times by a solo q player who wanted that the Hex totem. Someone who didn't want anyone else on that gen, or didn't want to get downed so led the killer to someone else.

@Vietfox said:
Tsulan said:

@Vietfox said:

Tsulan said:

Vietfox said:

There are many killers who manage to stay at rank 1 till the end of the season, it can't be that unbalanced if that happens. People who usually complain too much about balance are usually people who:

1 - need to get better

2 - hate when they get destroyed, doesnt matter if rarely happens.

I'm not saying that game doesnt need some tweaks, but some suggestions or accusations towards survivors are simply ridiculous, especially when some people think all survivors are the same.

It's not about staying at rank 1. It's about how stressful it is and how much effort each side has to bring in to "enjoy" the game.

A rank 1 non nurse/billy player has to try harder than the average survivor.

Rank 1 is suposed to be challenging.

Other killers have to try "harder" because nurse is too op. Some people got used to her due to the amazing results and feel like other killers should perform the same way.

A good nurse with a slug build can get 4 K in less than 2 or 3 gens in almost every match.

I agree that rank 1 should be challenging. But it should be challenging for everyone. Not just killers.

It is, and when survivors have to face that nurse i was talking about it's extremely challenging/a certain death

Exactly what every killer should be . Unfortunately its not.

@Vietfox said:
If every killer gets to be extremely challange/a certain death... Dont you think that would mean it's unbalanced for the other side? Needs to be challenging for both.

Every Killer should be certain death 1v1, because that's how asymmetrical games work. It shouldn't be even remotely challenging for the power role when it comes to 1v1 the other side. The fact that it's more efficient to have one person looping the Killer while everyone else works separately on generators means there's a big balance problem.

@Vietfox said:
Orion said:

@Vietfox said:

If every killer gets to be extremely challange/a certain death... Dont you think that would mean it's unbalanced for the other side? Needs to be challenging for both.

Every Killer should be certain death 1v1, because that's how asymmetrical games work. It shouldn't be even remotely challenging for the power role when it comes to 1v1 the other side. The fact that it's more efficient to have one person looping the Killer while everyone else works separately on generators means there's a big balance problem.

As i said once: if the survivor is skilled enough should be able to deserve better than a certain death, asymmetrical or not.

The problem is that when the killer is as skilled as the character allows them to be they are powerless if the survivors are better unless nurse and huntress (billy still gets looped but has his saw which mitigates it to an extent)

@Vietfox said:
Tsulan said:

@Vietfox said:

pauloandrade22 said:

@Vietfox said:

Tsulan said:

@Vietfox said: Tsulan said:

Vietfox said:    There are many killers who manage to stay at rank 1 till the end of the season, it can't be that unbalanced if that happens. People who usually complain too much about balance are usually people who:

1 - need to get better 2 - hate when they get destroyed, doesnt matter if rarely happens. I'm not saying that game doesnt need some tweaks, but some suggestions or accusations towards survivors are simply ridiculous, especially when some people think all survivors are the same.

It's not about staying at rank 1. It's about how stressful it is and how much effort each side has to bring in to "enjoy" the game.

A rank 1 non nurse/billy player has to try harder than the average survivor.

Rank 1 is suposed to be challenging.

Other killers have to try "harder" because nurse is too op. Some people got used to her due to the amazing results and feel like other killers should perform the same way. A good nurse with a slug build can get 4 K in less than 2 or 3 gens in almost every match. I agree that rank 1 should be challenging. But it should be challenging for everyone. Not just killers.

It is, and when survivors have to face that nurse i was talking about it's extremely challenging/a certain death



Exactly what every killer should be . Unfortunately its not.

If every killer gets to be extremely challenging/a certain death... Dont you think that would mean it's unbalanced for the other side? Needs to be challenging for both.

This is supposed to be a horror game. Not Mortal Kombat. Where everyone can 1v1.

Killers should be OP. Survivors should be scared. But somehow the survivors convinced the devs that it should be the other way around.

Doesnt matter how powerful the killers are, this wont be a horror game because many other factors, like the light.
Killers got the upper hand already because they can kill while survivors can only run and escape, and maybe some occasional blinds.

And hide and be stealthy or juke( Lose LOS and break the chase) . The whole point about survivor skill is to first not be found at all, then you have the map knowledge and similar stuff.