Let's Talk SWF; Bash me if you want to

*bashes OP*

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Some of the end game chat can be so nasty yet this is not policed. Yet no mention of being abused in end game chat and anything being done about that. But god forbid they are forced to balane the game with swf team chat in mind cos that could mean they might actually have to address the big fat elephant in the room.

They want to ban people for DC'ing when they encounter game breaking bugs, and there are many, but being called a nazi and all sorts of racial crap is fine.

While I don't disagree that it's an issue. What do you want the devs to do? Removing swf is not an option at this point. They can't control voice coms. They could add voice coms to the game. But I think the majority of players would refuse to use it.

Dividing the player base into competitive and casual ques would be a disaster for que times.

Imagine thinking playing with a friend makes someone a good player.

If you are good at the game, you will give a Killer a harder time anyway. 4 Potatoes will not change the experience for the Killer, or at least only to a minor degree.

However, thinking about NOT having SWF is simply wrong. There is no way that an Multiplayer Online Game exists without the possibility to play with friends.

And well, the Horror Feeling goes away in DBD pretty fast, once you are used to the game, its gone, regardless if playing Solo or SWF.

There are ways to balance it without removing it. Devs just dont want to at all, and they pretend that the issue doesnt exist.

Thanks

Allow me to play Devil's Advocate for a moment here. The assumption here is, based on what I've seen in this thread so far, that SWF on comms is basically an instant win button. However, I would like to argue that not all SWF groups do it to get an 'ez clap' on killers and get carried up to high ranks (rank is a pitfall BTW if you ask me).

As someone else here noted, they wouldn't be playing the game without SWF - and that's why I think some people play SWF, it's because they don't want to roll the dice on who they get as teammates and run the risk of being matched with 'potatoes'. Therefore, they group up with people they can trust to tackle the trials of the Fog without fear of losing due to something that wasn't in their control.

This game was also supposed to be stealth based game and now it's all about looping. As always, "it's what's supposed to be" is a bad argument, so, git gud.

I understand that the comparison was a bit much however the point I was attempting to communicate was that significantly altering or removing a popular gameplay technique will anger a lot of people real quick. What this community needs is another run of "The Depip Squad" Marth88's data is outdated and without it we cannot make any good conclusions.

Once again sorry for the drastic comparison, just trying to communicate that if SWF removed or players are punished for playing with friends normally they will be quite upset.

While SWF is something that does break the game and I feel they may have underestimated how much it would. SWF was something that was always intended to be added and not put in as survivors asked for it. It's commercial suicide to make a multiplayer game such as this without allowing friends to play together afterall.

Also discord didn't add a way to talk there have been numerous programs to do that long before its release. Ventrillo, teamspeak, Steam has had it built in for a long time also to name a tiny amount of them.

Okay well now there is more problems with that. Let's say a 4 man SWF who are all really good players, purposely lose so their MMR de-ranks and then they go queue up in a SWF group. Since they won't be able to gain MMR, they will be versing killers with low MMR, which means they will be versing some bad killers consistently and get their clips of bullying to put on their Youtube montage videos. I will say that I don't know too well how this MMR system will work but this is just my belief on how it would turn out.

Secondly the decrease in bloodpoints is another bad idea. Survivors already get so little bloodpoints compared to killer. If you are playing survivor, then you probably don't care for blood points to begin with, as if you did then you would just play killer and equip BBQ.

They've repeatedly acknowledged the disparity between solo and swf. Though they've yet to come up with a solution.

Absolutely.

The entire point that the killer and survivor can't talk to each other is that the game is meant to have an anti-social side to it. Adding people you literally have a social relationship with trumps the atmosphere and point. Otherwise the two sides would be able to talk prior match too. They can't because the idea that a disconnected, competitive thinking human being you have no way to communicate to is after you amps the fear factor.

SWF really comes into absolute OP breaking point when comms are introduced but without it's not so bad. I mean, they STILL communicate and plan which gives them a leg up over almost solo survivors because they will do so before entering a match. But a plan can still be foiled. The communication in-game destroys it. This is made worse by perks like OOO.

I don't think there is anyway real clear way to fix this. A big part of the problem is that killers have to shoulder all the responsbility of being "gud" aka pressuring everyone and being the sole threat. Ironically, the game being good or bad probably hitches more on if a killer is actually a good match for the survivors rather than their true skill at the game itself. When survivors and killer skill level is matched the game becomes intense and fun for both sides. SWF further complicates this dubious threat matching process.

I think the biggest issue is that the IMMENSE pressure to not only be a good killer but to be "gud" makes the role INTENSE SWEATY. It;s hard to have fun as killer because so much relies on you. You got to win so many chases and be all across the map and the map is filled with nothing but things that work against you as killer most of the time.

And now survivors can influence the one factor against them. The unreliable nature of their teams to their favor and you're told to jsut get gud. Then people wonder why killers hate SWF. I don't know if there is truly a fix to SWF that wouldn't fix the killer experience. I'd say the consistent salt from killers is the experience...the comfort of the role..

the pressure is immense and the games -win harder or lose harder- nature for both sides make it really frustrating when you're trying to pressure entire maps and play fair and being took for another boring loop fest. Especially on bad maps-chillwind farm house for example- the enviroments need stuff that sin't just loops and full stops. They're effectively safe to any survivor that knows how to loop optimally unless you are some master mind game god. At least the devs are adding breakable walls for killer. So it's something on the maps the killer can do to counter SOME loops and safe pallets.

Outside of that. Any kind of fix I can think of will just be punishing SWF for being SWF. That ain't exactly fair. I guess all I'm saying is, I don't care how well the car performs, maybe less people will complain if it didn't jam metal rods up my ass as well whe nyou say I got to race an coordinated team as well now.

KYF is not a substitute for SWF.

Voice coms killed Friday The 13th even with muting, going into matches just hear little kids shouting N Bombs, F Bombs, R Bombs, playing their music, it would ultimately just be everyone loading into a match and muting each other, killers think they have a tough time in end game chat but are welcoming of a voice chat that will just be ignored, but I think killers know that already.

Or how about no BP at all and no MMR change at all but still que as ranked not to split the pool?

After all, they are there for the "fun", right? BP dont matter. Its played for the fun of the game.