Otzdarva’s stream today

If you want to make NOED base kit for Killers.. then the hatch should immediately open the moment all 5 generators get completed. Why should a killer be able to run a perk that can instantly ruin a game just because they got 1 lucky hit? You know how many times ive gone entire games without getting hit, then NOED procs and I end up getting 1 hooked during a solo match?

If you want to make NOED fair; two things need to happen.. A Totem counter needs to be applied for both sides and the killer should not be able to see totem auras. Because countless times; especially with Devour Hope.. Killers just set up shop at their totems or Freddy, Hag and Trapper just put a trap/snare down infront of the totem so they know any time its being touched.

Devour Hope is probably the best and most BALANCED hex perk in the game. There's no reason it's unfair for a killer to guard it. They can't be there the whole time without losing. So being able to see totem auras is needed for killers, otherwise we may as well just remove ALL hex perks and ALL 1 hit down mechanics including killers and addons.

if noed has to be "reworked" (which I bet it will be) then so should the survivors' second chance perks. this includes DS. I'd happily trade in NOED for things like DS, Adrenaline, etc. and I main survivor nowadays. and OP offerings/items as well while they're at it. this is mainly Ebony Mori and Key.

And before any of you say that DS or Adrenaline is fine, one of the reasons for the Ruin rework nerf was that it was too passive. last I checked, those 2 are pretty passive.

The only conclusion I had from that pointless experiment is that now this style of play will be much much more popular.

NOED has always been an issue like many other Perks because they're desinged to do something specific but the player can exploit them since the game puts you in a giant playground with few important rules.

There only reason NOED and Mori are more prevalent it's because of the Ruin nerf. That freed up a perk spot for many players, and is now being used for NOED instead. The Mori helps to slow down gen progression.

Were you one of the people mocking killer mains who complained about the nerf? If so then enjoy the fruit of what you helped sow. You can't say you weren't warned.

I hate NOED, I never use it and i hate going vs it... but hes 100% right.

when i play survivor i constantly walk past dull totems or stare at them while doing gens, only to get pissed off at NOED in the end.

It's made to counter unfun playstyle, yet it is mostly used for braindead hook saves.

Are you trying to say that if killer is not camping it doesn't work? I've seen hundreds of times survivors just yoloing in to the hook with BT. If killer wants to tunnel he will and BT doesn't prevent that. If you have bt and killer is remotely near the hook you can just unhook/farm teammate, risk free and still get safe unhook bonus.

Don't get me wrong, every day the game pushes me further and further from it and closer to Freddy but I haven't given up yet.

That's why I said we should have a different objective. Gens as they are now are 1.) Boring and 2.) Extremely lacking in the thinking department.

I want an objective that makes you stop and think about how to complete it, and that naturally will cause the time to complete it to go up. These will both make survivors happy because they're actually engaged in more than just the chase and killers happy because the objective won't get done every 10 seconds.

1 So you didn't even watch Otz's conclusion on the experiment where from what I heard he might've changed his mind about how powerful NOED really is ?

2 It's one thing to say you think Billy needs a nerf, but to literally say "I hope Billy gets nerfed into ground, pls devs do it" shows you don't care about this killer being balanced and you only want him nerfed so much untill nobody ever plays him again. And then you say that you want both sides to have fun ... And I don't know how many people agree that Billy needs a nerf, as many people disagreed with you in the post you said he does.

3 This still doesn't change the fact that Otz still thinks DS is too strong ( potentially even stronger than old DS ) and should be nerfed. But of course, you ignored all his videos where he said how unfair survivor meta perks can be and only brought up his stream about how unfair NOED can be.

NOED is more to punish survivors who gen rush. It's a risk perk. It also is "100%" counter-able BEFORE it even comes into play. If you cleanse the bones before the last gen is done than NOED will NEVER come into play. Where as DS, you can't do anything to eliminate it. You can say don't tunnel but that's 60 seconds of time wasted. They can run unbreakable or heal themselves to "get help" and someone can touch them to get them back up. It rewards bad game play. Even if you don't run DS, which few don't, you pretty much have to assume someone is running it. You screwed up a chase and got hooked. Your team unhooked you right in front of the killer that's on them. Push a button and you get a 2nd chance.

Most people associate DS with tunneling killers. Well what about killers that don't tunnel off the hook? What about a survivor who got saved from a hook, then runs in the killers face to unhook another survivor? It's not tunneling if your going towards the killer.

Also we have a lot of other perks that remove 1 health state and no one calls those 2nd chance perks. Devour Hope, MYC, Rancor, Iron Maiden, Haunted Grounds.

DS is most certainly a 2nd chance perk. You got downed, you get a free escape. There isn't a killer perk that gives you a 2nd chance. "You failed to apply pressure? Here's a 6th gen the survivors have you finish". The problem with DS is people consider it anti tunneling but it's not. It's 2nd chance. Even if the killer doesn't tunnel they still run into it. I've hooked survivor A and left. Started chasing survivor B. Someone saved survivor A. I hook survivor B. Survivor A saves Survivor B before I get a chance to leave. I assume BT+DS so I go after the rescuer. I down survivor A and they still have DS. I didn't even tunnel them. I hooked them, left, downed+hooked someone else and they still had it. The perk is the definition of 2nd chance. It should be changed to "If you are healed or the killer hooks someone else, DS deactivates"

NOED doesn't hold a candle to DS's OPness. Most top tier killers don't even run NOED unless they are on certain killers. ALL survivors run DS because it is so powerful. If your a survivor who runs DS every single game you have no right to complain about NOED.

It is overpowered when survivoirs dont do totems, hence the high risk high reward. if survivors did totems noed wouldnt even come into effect. Its made to counter gen rushing and have the survivors search for totems.

Its a fine perk that is very balanced at the moment, and doesnt need to be neutered to suit survivors needs that cant be arsed to search for totems

easy and healthy change

• add another surv objective or something
• expand the time survivor are on hooks so more chasing is more efficient than camping

Dulls totems increase the time.

If u camp at the beginning of the match, how they can do 5 gens and cleanse 5 totems? Is too much time even for 4swf.

so when killers Use the same streamer to prove a point survivors always down play them but niw wanna run here to use him nerf noed i knew survivors where entitled but seemsike i need to add hypocritical to the list

If anything, Otz proved what many of us already knew. Most survivors, especially those in solo queue, have absolutely awful game awareness and instincts. That's all he proved with his experiment.

I can't remember the last time I died to NOED. If you have a general knowledge of totem spawns, it's not even about "doing the bones". Totem spots don't suddenly become god tier when it's a NOED totem. You're dealing with the same often hilarious totem spawns as any other hex perk.

You don't HAVE to save the survivor that is being camped. Survivor is a team game, yes, but part of that is getting teammates who know not to carpet bomb a hook and turn a bad situation into an un-winnable one.

I get that solo queue can be rough. I play it a lot. But survivors have to get better at this game for camping and tunneling to truly stop. It's an awful play for a killer make. It should never work. But it does the vast the majority of the time due to bad decisions on the part of the survivors.

I care about this game. I want it to improve but there are a large collection of bias mains that only want their side buffed. This game is survivor sided as sin.

Theres like 19 killers and only 3 are strong at end game.

Matches end in 4 mins

Survivors have 16 perks to the killers 4

Look at how long survivor que times are?

The list goes on but despite all of that. This forum is filled with people who actually believe killer is the power role. Instead of gitting gud people beg for nerfs. As if the idea they made a mistake never crossed their mind. When i play survivor i suck at dodging chainsaws but i dont scream "billy is op, plz nerf"

Stop trying to ruin the game and cleanse the bones.