Why does every Killer have NOED in every single game I played?

This. Add on 2-3 borrowed times as well and that's red ranks in a nutshell.

It's true that they haven't released statistics since then, but I'm quite sure that if kill rates had plummeted after the Ruin rework and never recovered, the devs would have taken notice and done something about it. Also, I have spoken to members of the dev team about it since then (on their streams, to clarify, in case anyone misinterprets that to mean that Trusted members have some kind of direct line or influence that we don't), and by all accounts, statistically, everything has been pretty positive.

Incidentally, what you're describing is a problem with the Emblem system (if anything), not the absence of Ruin. And it's been explained in the past that Ruin was skewing the statistics so much that it needed to not be so prevalent in order to properly diagnose and fix the actual problems. It may have worked as a band-aid at the time, but in the long run it was impeding the game's upward progress.

I know a couple of rank 1 killers who would beg to differ.

It's fine if you want to use NOED. I'm not going to attack or think less of you for it. It's a pretty good perk, and if it works for you, that's great. But it's not doing you or anyone else any favours to perpetuate this false narrative that NOED is anything close to the only way to win at high ranks.

because gens get done too fast and its one of the few legit strategies to counter it

Do we have any evidence that low kill rates were the reason for those changes, as opposed to the reasons they actually gave (game health, map balance, etc.)? Just because Ruin got changed and then later they adjusted maps and coop repairs doesn't necessarily mean one was a direct result of the other. Correlation does not equal causation.

Or maybe, kill rates didn't change very much either way and those changes were made with the goal of improving the player experience in mind and had nothing to do with kill rates. The fact that someone did a thing is not evidence for why they did the thing. That's an assumption that you're making.

Stating that your opinion is common sense is a good way to dismiss someone else's, but it rings false in this case. The reality is, neither of us knows the truth beyond what we've been told by the developers. If it helps, I'll ask one of them on their stream next time I get the chance and let you know what they say.

These players have no self confidence in themselves and rely on the biggest second chance perk in the game. That’s why lol

You haven't "lost" as a killer until people are out. Gens being done is NOT the end of the game.

Also kinda ironic, since it's survivors that get the, "Ok, you failed everything, here's an escape anyway." mechanic.

I promise I'm not trying to rub anything in, this is just for the sake of clarity because I promised I would tell you what I found out. I did ask Almo about the Ruin changes and the recent mid-chapter update, and he said that while the Ruin nerf did affect average generator completion time and average game length (minimally, by about 30 seconds or so), it had little to no effect on the kill rates. Additionally, the recent changes to maps and repair speeds were in no way motivated by the Ruin rework or its aftermath, they just knew that it was something the players were concerned about and the devs agreed with those concerns to an extent, so it made sense to change it.

Ik this is unrelated to the thread but out of curiosity how do you become a "trusted" on the fourms?

It goes like this:

• As the game design, its mostly all 4 Survivors able to escape through Gates, OR 1 Survivors escape through hatch. As soon as 1 dies, 3 other Survivors know 2 of them have to die (I dont speak about key here)
• The longer time that 5Gen done, the lower chance that Survivors able to escape => Gen rush happens
• If simply do Gen and escape, Survivors will not pip or many bp. So they prefer to have the escape ready and get some hit,chase,unhook. Then add another 5000bp escaping as the final bonus. This explain alot why Survivors dont escape right away when Gates are open, but rather fooling around near the Gates.
• Of course no Killers want to have a game that only able to hit & hook without any kill. So Noed happens.

Around green. I spend more time watching killer gameplay than I do actually participating in it, and I'll be the first to admit I'm not the best at it and I don't understand firsthand all the struggles that top-ranked killers face (although with matchmaking as it is, I have faced my fair share of red-ranked survivor teams). I can empathise, and I can analyse, two things which I like to think I'm fairly good at, but I don't have that same shared experience. So, as with anything that I don't have sufficient personal experience in to draw conclusive assessments on that basis, I therefore rely on the testimonies of friends who are skilled killers, intelligent people and whose judgement I trust to fill in the gaps.

You disagree with what? I admitted straight-up in my comment that I didn't have the first-hand experience necessary to truly understand what high-ranked killers go through. The reason I can confidently say what I said about NOED in spite of my inexperience is because I've discussed it in the past with people who do know what they're talking about. If you think that anyone who says that Ruin was never actually necessary for success as a killer doesn't have a clue what it's like to play killer at high ranks (in spite of the fact that the stats strongly suggest otherwise), you may want to have a chat with the red-ranked killers who share my viewpoint rather than with me.

Cause you don’t cleanse and it works on you every time just a thought

Thank you. I do try to be fair and reasonable in my discussions, so it's reassuring to hear that it comes across that way. And thank you for the good wishes! I hope the project goes well, too - I may even share it here once it's finished, depending on whether or not the contents end up being too inflammatory.

I don't want to derail this topic any further, but feel free to hit me up on my wall or in one of my other discussions if you had more to say 😊

P.S. I'll see what I can do 😋

For those of you in the "just do bones" camp, have you ever found and broken all five of the totems all on your own? Did you achieve this feat without the use of a Perk that will help you find totems? Did you still Escape through the Exit Gate?