Killers Can't Complain About Anything on The Survivor Side Now.
This game is far from Balanced. It's a lot harder to play Survivor now. Majority of Killers run Nurses, Sloppy Butcher, Thanataphobia & BBQ & Chilli. Problem is they shrunk the maps, made gens slower, removed a lot of pallets & took away safer Windows. So with killers running these perks it takes forever to heal up and even do gens. I feel like the game is catered to the high end PC players that go against SWF every game. They only look at stats, they aren't bothered by what's actually happening in games majority of the time. I'm lucky to get 1 escape in an hour lately since the recent map changes and i'm Rank 1 survivor...not that i'm bothered for pips etc..but it's crazy how they made so many changes to the maps to support the killer and i'm happy with the smaller maps, but removing pallets and windows before they even fix being hit through pallets etc..is crazy. So now if we're even lucky to find pallets because they're harder to find now, even if we drop it in time we're still getting smacked through them. Not to mention the buggy window vault hits that are broken.
Even if camping is a tactic and people say "JUST DO GENS" it's not that simple...most of the time if you don't know the person they're gonna get mad you aint coming to save them so they throw on hook, but if you play with someone you know then you're going to try and save them because you also don't want them to die and get mad you didn't save them. Then Killer complain about SWF's? Then after all the camping and gens are done, here's NOED...but wait, just do bones? Sure so the time is takes for someone to be camped on a hook we're supposed to get 5 gens done on much smaller maps and cleanse 6 totems so NOED doesn't spawn...
Don't even get me started on 1 shot mechanics with the way the maps are right now it is a total joke. Dead zones everywhere.Broken Pallets & Windows. I think a Distressing Doc can cover a whole map with his static blast, FREE BBQ & CHILLI!!!
I'm all for Killers having the power role in this game it's the way it should be. But I really can't see any of your logic behind wanting to Nerf Survivors even more...
Comments
-
Killers have every right to complain because the game is still survivor-sided (going on 4 years now). The map rework was a nice step in the right direction, but unfortunately map design is still abysmal.
The devs have A LOT more work to do before the game starts becoming relatively balanced.
And your claim about how the devs balance around high end PC players is completely false. I wish that were the case though. Because then the devs would realize how strong survivors actually are and balance the game accordingly.
55 -
I fail to see how the game is still survivor-sided when it never was for any solo player to begin with.
19 -
I don't know what you're talking about with the window vaults. They buffed the living dog dookie out of them. Watch the latest noob3 video, these map changes were far from a nerf.
9 -
survivors still have the best perks in the game hands down. iron will gives your cries 100% harder to hear while strider only does makes it 50% easier to hear.Distressing doc sucks its a waste of a perk unless you're running unnerving and overcharge, also its no where near what bbq does. OH NO the killer can see me heal while good thing i have bt,ds,unbreakable,iron will.
4 -
you are a rank 1 survivor, so maybe play killer to rank 1 and then tell how ''hard'' it is to play survivor. Because I am sorry but this seems very bias.
21 -
Solo survivors have the potential to be stronger than most killer setups. Four really good solo survivors will stomp most killer setups. Unfortunately, in most cases there is at least one or two randoms who are weak and helpless (which can cripple the team).
7 -
all u killer mains are still cryin over ur ruin, oh ma ruin got nerfed boohoo, move on and use thantaphobia, ma hooks got sabotaged oh no how awful ppl should do a challenge, plus try and save a team mate from gettin hooked, half of u play so toxic it's unreal and then wonder why survivors start tbaggin, funny how survivors adapt and killers still ask for more nerfs after most pallets in map are removed, maps have been shrunk, loops reworked on the killers favour, toolboxes nerfed, talk about entitled, and we're actually forced to run BT, unbreakable, DS, and IW due to most killers 'strategy' campin and tunnelin off the hook,oh.. and left to bleed out on the floor
7 -
"Latest N00b3 video" dude, not every survivor plays like Noob3...granted I may be good at the game but i ain't gonna pretend i'm that good and most survivors won't be that good. Even with running Resilience and Spine Chill i'm getting hit way over windows. They weren't just map changes you can't see them like that, with shrunken down maps every perk works differently either being more or less effective. Then removing pallets and certain window vaults is even more nerfs? So how is it not a NERF?
3 -
It's fine i played Rank 1 killer before all these shrunken maps and killer buffs and i did just fine, I had nothing to complain about other than the odd bs grab mechanic that didn't work sometimes. I played a Myers game in red ranks the other day, i've never felt so relaxed on killing people in this game. Yous have it easy yet yous still insist on survivor nerfs, interesting
3 -
Distressing is run on nearly every Doc i play against so it's obviously not a waste when it tiers up survivors madness levels which reveals their location and also makes them have 10 different kinds of effects on them...backwards skill checks, fake pallets etc etc...
Also you do realize the only reason survivors run those perks is because of the way Killers play? I don't run DS I prefer more fun builds, I shouldn't force myself to run perks just because of a way a killer is playing the game...
1 -
I'm losing brain cells
19 -
Sloppy butcher at its best with thana
What are we talking about ? 8.3 seconds maybe 12 worst case... bbq to prevent camping and encourage leaving the hook
And nurses calling, the perk that only works if you leave everyone injured... thats alotta failed chases lol.
Awe man they changed like 4 maps to help game breaking loops guess its all over for you man.
Except the fact that killers statically loose almost 80% of the time but stats don't matter i guess
Just venting I see, but don't open with killers cant argue open with "im just venting my feelings"
6 -
Noob played bad in that video, plus I'm nowhere near his quality and rarely die on the new maps. On top of that, I play a lot of killer and trust me, I miss 95% of the vault hits that I used to get.
They didn't remove any pallets on the changes, they should have, but didn't. Take some time to learn the new loops and you will see that a lot of them were buffs.
0 -
I am sorry but when did I say that I want survivor nerfs? O no wait I didn't. And if killer is so relaxed and playing survivors is so hard and stressfull then it is really weird that there are less killers then survivors playing the game😂
5 -
Oh god.. I lost my last few brain cells reading these comments...
9 -
Not venting feelings. I'm stating a fact. Killers legit can't be asking for survivor nerfs the way the game is right now. As for everything else you said, literally makes 0 sense. Someone get's unhooked they're injured...they go look for a heal, usually next to a gen, easy enough to find because of nurses, sloppy and thanataphobia making heals take a lot longer...no doubt by the time the killer gets there both survivors are now injured, one gets slugged then the other gets chased and downed too because it's a easy down...
5 -
it's a game that is 4v1 of course there's going to be less Killers than survivors playing the game...wow. Personally i play survivor because i prefer third person views, just the what i enjoy more...? Also I said "Yous" as in meaning Killers but ok.
1 -
I don't know if it's only me, but I barely noticed a difference in map sizes. They look almost the same apart from some minor layout and lighting changes
5 -
"They didn't remove any pallets on the new changes?" You serious? In front of Gas Heaven your lucky to get 2 pallets spawn, they removed the one at the back and they even sometimes close the whole back off. That's just for one map. Ormond I played main building and there wasn't a single pallet that spawned in it.
1 -
I think when you played the game as much as i have you do notice these things and how much faster killers are getting around the map
1 -
Wow you are idiotic. It's a 4:1 ratio in the game. Obviously there's less killers. Man my brain cells are going out the window.
1 -
Ok, all anything else, but how so it makes fair for survivors to ask for a nerf to the Myers? He is the best killer in the game from both points of view.
Also, there are survivors, who actually ask for a nerf to the Bubba and Clown... TO THE ######### BUBBA AND CLOWN!
2 -
😂😂 same Spoder. My brain cells are FLYINGGGGG
0 -
"I'm a rank 1 survivor"
Yeah, these days, so is everyone else who can play a few days a week.
Actual good Survivors know exactly where most of the power lies, and it ain't with killers.
Who in their right mind would balance a pvp game for the bronze tier players rather than the upper echelons? A big reason human beings play game to begin with is to actually improve themselves at the skills the game uses.
Pvp games are for challenging yourself. Party games are for doing repetitive tasks over and over with friends.
12 -
You're upset right now and not being reasonable. Check the patch notes, only disturbed ward had pallet changes. All the rest are just rng, like always.
6 -
I like Myers more or less the way he is, maybe a few add on changes would be okay but I don't have any issues with him. Most survivors want a bubba nerf because of hook camping one shotting everyone coming close which i understand but again, i don't see an issue with him or the Clown.
1 -
they're bad doctors then. i main doctor and i rarely use distressing and i just looked up builds for him right now and only 1 out of the 6 ran distressing and they said there were building him as i stated in my first comment also its easy to tier up someones madness just during a chase no need to waste a perk or your 1 min cooldown for such, then you said you have 10 different kind of effects on them thats only if the doctor is running the red king add on that only adds like 4 different things so calm down. "Also you do realize the only reason survivors run those perks is because of the way Killers play? " oh dont give me that bullshit thats the lamest argument ever, you could just turn that around for killer aka the only reason i run forever freddy is because survivor op perks.
0 -
Upset? Also I've played nearly every map since the update. There's no way Disturbed Ward was the only map to have pallets removed. Just going from experience being totally reasonable...every map i've noticed pallets were removed where they always would spawn one.
2 -
So what is wrong with saying i'm a rank 1 survivor. Just saying I play good enough to be at Rank 1 solo majority of the time, I know how to loop etc..."Actual good players know where the power lies"...so how are Survivors the power role & you really can't say the perks...
1 -
Facts are facts and they don't care about your experience. Devs have confirmed that pallets haven't been removed. You're just noticing the rng because you're looking for it. Even before the changes, I've been on gas heaven and the middle was a complete dead zone.
I was on pale rose with wraith and counted every pallet, had 7 total. It's just rng.
10 -
I wasn't being literal when I said 10. This is why i didn't bother to state them all because I don't have time to argue with people who clearly have no idea what the hell they're talking about on the game. Just saying 8/10 Docs on Xbox run Distressing. Survivors don't have OP perks...DS is not Overpowered. How easy it is for Killers right now and they still complaining about DS & BT is laughable. DS, BT & Unbreakable are 100% Anti-Tactic perks, simple as that...they only work in certain situations, if BBQ really prevented people from camping, then majority of the time they wouldn't have to deal with DS & BT. They're there because Killer decide to play scummy, I wonder what the Kill Rate is against survivors who run DS, probably the exact same as someone who doesn't run it. Most killers just looking for excuses and it's a fact. How killers can even be struggling to get less than 2 kills a game right now if baffling to me.
0 -
Well if this means that killer queues are instant and survivor queues 20 minutes. But hey with people like you you cant have a normal discussion and I Am happy that the devs wont listen to this type of idiotic threads
3 -
I hear actually participating in discussions instead of posting, "muh braincells!" helps with that.
Just a thought.
4 -
survivor is easy, solo or swf. the biggest issue atm is potato survivors in red ranks that cant play, notice the cant play part? as soon as you learn survivor right you know its the stronger role, then you can use 4 second chance perks and even do swf just to be over kill. if youre struggle that much as survivor im sorry but thats on your skill, the real killer in this game is bad survivors. like how tf are some people red rank but scared of gens, terror radius and cant even loop simple pallets without going down in 5 seconds.
5 -
Because being at rank 1 anymore is as meaningful as confetti.
Survivors control the single most important aspect of the killer's game... How much time he has. The killer can only ever be in one place at a time. Survivors don't even need perks to guarantee a 3 escape vs all but the upper end of killers if they understand the game. You get 4 guys who really know the game, put em in a squad with no perks and no comms, and they'll be able to dominate 90% of the killer's they encounter.
I'm sure you know how to run loops, but the liany of complaints in your original post makes me think you have a very shallow understanding of the game.
Sure, solo queue is rough. It's always going to be tougher than swf. Lots of them complain incessantly about bbq, thana, and noed. If they spent that time trying to really understand the game, everyone's solo life would be vastly improved.
2 -
I mean I play the game 4-6 hours maybe 4 times a week. I guess I'm not going to notice these things? I'm not looking for anything. I'm talking from experience. I've loaded onto Ormond countless times, never seen it not spawn a single pallet in main building. Not downstairs or upstairs. Spiringwood had always spawned 4/5 pallets at the school, now only has 3...it's probably likely with map shrinkage that the rng was altered, therefore pallets were altered in accordance with the tile spacing.
0 -
You see, it's called idc about the discussion because no one would care about my opinion and just continue to force theirs onto me. My evidence, take your times reading the posts already made above. :) Thank you, have a good day.
0 -
Distressing Doc can cover a map with his blast, but only on like... The Game.
Anyway, they probably balance toward the high end of players because those are the players that are actually good at the game and can use tiles efficiently. When there's plenty of safe windows and plenty of pallets, then it really becomes obvious how strong survivors can be. Even if a survivor isn't at a good structure, a decent survivor will often be able to play something like an L-T wall. That's often how games are balanced: around the most skilled players.
2 -
Sounds like xbox players are just bad lmafo.Just look up a hand full of the top doctor builds and you'll see for yourself its rarely used.Survivors dont have op perks? ok kid keep telling yourself that getting off the hook,recovering from being down,stunning people from getting picked up and getting god loops because of perks aint good lol. Also some dude just posted that he kept track over 40 games of the amount of ds's and it was 31/40 and on top of that look at any tier list ds is always in s or a but you the god of x box knows the only truth that ds isnt op also anti tactic perks what a joke.
2 -
Again people think I don't understand the game with 0 reasoning to back up that statement other than trying to make themselves look like know it alls and the person taking time to make a thread with clear valid statements from experiences and could even go to the length of showing proof if they were that concerned that I don't understand the game. You thinking 4 randoms with no comms and no perks can bully a killer...so now you're basing your knowledge from theorizing. Also saying Survivors control the killers time is ludicrous when Killers can sit and proxy, camp survivors, forcing other survivors away to help them because most of the time if a killer is camping 2 survivors are going to have to help unless you want the next person to be slugged then the person unhooked tunneled. Again it's down to killers who control the game because of their playstyle. If killers really thinking Survivors have a power role, you're delusional.
0 -
Your comment about pallets being reduced made me not want to read afterwards. The only map where pallets were reduced is Nurse's map.
Oh, and complaining about overused perks, hmmm, seems familiar. Get over it and play the game.
7 -
But they didn't "buff" vaults? They fixed a bug that sucked you back to the window when you vaulted
1 -
How exactly is running situational single use perks OP? Imagine survivors having to force themselves to run unbreakable that they can only use once a game because they get slugged every game or a Killer who tunnels so DS is activated..."God loops because of perks" LOL what am i even reading here, you clearly don't even play the game, just sit on the forums and see through everyone else experiences and not actually your own. Come back when you actually play the game instead of living through it via the community. Xbox players just bad because they don't run the same perk as other players, that's a legitimate statement if i've ever read one...jesus christ, didn't know people could be this dumb. So explain to me how these perks aren't Anti-Tactic perks instead of saying "what a joke" because you clearly have no valid argument back to that because that's ALL they are.
0 -
Youre basing your opinion on bad survivors though, escaping has always been a team effort solo or swf. as a solo you will depend on your team not being bad, but atm everyone is red rank, it takes no skill to be red rank anymore, i have seen rank 2 survivors miss skillchecks, never look behind them, unable to loop basic loops, 0 knowledge of counter play. of course killer will be strong against those types of players, those players should be green rank at best. survivors solo or not have faced far worse and came out on top, we had nurse and spirits before the nurf with the old ruin but could still go in solo and play well, killers have been made weaker and survivors easier and thats why it may look that way as too many survivors are way past the rank they should be, all you need to do is hold a button on a gen, hold a button running forwards and you could hit red rank. not to mention you can loop killers at alot of loops for awhile wasting their time, now add a bunch of second chance perks, even stronger now add swf, congrats you broke the game.
2 -
Well if ya don't care, why post anything in the discussion? It just seems like ya want to hurl insults while not actually having to participate in the discussion at hand. If ya like and agree with a post, there's the upvote button. It's easier and a lot less rude overall.
And you're wrong about nobody caring to hear your opinion. I want to hear what ya have to say, don't I? Don't just assume people are bullheaded because they don't agree with you and therefore you won't post. It's kinda odd to join a forum and then not participate due to there being people you disagree with on it.
You're welcome and you too 😘
1 -
It doesn't matter about the damn times bro. Either way it's a 4v1. Obviously there are less killers. It's crystal clear. People like me? ######### are you on about dude? I legit hop on this and now you're looking for a petty argument that I don't have the time for. Get off this thread you wasteman. I'd rather chew my own ear off than listen to you mumbling about.
1 -
Another person that doesn't understand the games logic. Sure they may not have went in a purposely removed pallets, but they shrunk down the maps, each map has rng algorithms to determine where to spawn windows and pallets...now the maps are smaller, less pallets/windows are spawning where they're supposed to :/
0 -
Actually, no. Solo survivor used to be pretty OP when I started, now it's trash.
0 -
I just hope Devs won’t read this all and keep ignoring community feedback.
2 -
also the way you say solo`s should be able to bully a killer is stupid af, like can you imagine basing the balance of a game if you can bully the opposite side? like no you arent meant to be able to bully a killer. when they fix the ranking expect survivors to get more nerfs/balances atm its too easy even more so with swf and second chance perks. people bully because theyre the power role and its sickening, i hate seeing teammates be toxic for no reason. rank means nothing. survivor is the power role. the game isnt balanced.
2
