Discord makes survivors unbalanced.

In all seriousness, off the back of the most recent stream, will use of chat programs be deemed a bannable offence? 
Any dev/person of responsibility know?

@redsopine1 said:
Vankruze said:

I've been screaming this since I started playing this game voice com swf is flat out cheating! no two ways about it.

Alas the only good counter is a proximity chat but devs have adamantly said no I think it would add more to the game I mean imaging playing the pig your crouched no heartbeat or as teir1 Myers and you hear them talking or trying to signal each other only to be grabbed and killed because they couldn't be quiet I feel it would add in more depth and realism to it

Even if there were proximity chat, people would still just use discord lol. The problem is the devs have said the survivors and killers do not talk, or cannot talk due to the entity or smth, so they wont add it no matter what probably. As for people saying they dont balance around swf discord, there's a good chance they do because theyre not dumb enough to ignore a huge part of survivor gameplay.

Although idk it did take 2 years to get a survivor nerf

We need always on proximity voice chat. Like hunt: showdown has.

@Vankruze said:
I've been screaming this since I started playing this game voice com swf is flat out cheating! no two ways about it.

Congratulations on trying to make your opinion heard, but your opinion is wrong.

To best argue this point lets look at a common definition of cheat(ing): Cheating is the receiving of a reward for ability or finding an easy way out of an unpleasant situation by dishonest means. It is generally used for the breaking of rules to gain unfair advantage in a competitive situation.

Now lets take a look at 3rd party software: a third-party software component is a reusable software component developed to be either freely distributed or sold by an entity other than the original vendor of the development platform.

not_Queen said last year on a steam forum. She is part of the BHVR team, therefore final say/approval:

_Achievement hacks
Using 3rd party software to tamper with Dead by Daylight achievements in any way. Unlocking, locking, clearing them off – all of this is prohibited.

Hacking in-game exclusives/Legacy skins
Acquiring any kind of in-game skin a player isn’t supposed to have.
Legacy cutoff happened on November 24th, 2016. If player has received Legacy skins anytime after that, it is considered hacking (3rd party software/expanding Legacy cutoff time/loading up a savefile, etc.)
Video of this person in a hacked skin (and you opening the profile to ensure it’s theirs) is mandatory.

Botting
Killer spawns and stays at one place, hitting air the whole time. He doesn’t move or change the hit pattern even if gates are opened and some of the Survivors are already gone. Video of the match (showing the tally screen is crucial) is mandatory.

Hacked progress
Using 3rd party software or any other way to hack amount of BP in the game. Or loading up any savefile except from your own backup (any savefile – from previously banned account, from a friend, your savefile from BETA, etc.)

Threats
Excessive threats (DOX threats, life threats, disclosing private information, etc.)

Other hacks
Using 3rd party software or other tools to gain any kind of unfair advantage wasn’t intended by the game, except if they have been whitelisted by us. Heavy proof and a video recording is mandatory._

And last, but not least Gay Myers (Luzi) posting just yesterday on this same topic:

Voice comms are not and never will be bannable. Overlays are not bannable either as long as they don't touch the game files. You can use a crosshair for Huntress if you want to. SweetFX and ReShade are both whitelisted by EAC, so is Nvidia Freestyle basically as DBD is in it's list of supporters.

So two community members who represent BHVR and two definitions that show that using programs like Discord, Skype, and Steam Voice Chat are not directly modifying, tampering, or hacking the direct game files = NOT A CHEATING OFFENSE.

So while you may not agree with their decision, which you are entitled to, you may not call anyone who uses Discord or voice chat a cheater, because it simply is not true. So your "no two ways about it" is just a moral compass you hold that "no two ways about it" is wrong about what cheating actually is in DbD and other games.

they just need to remove swf from the game

@redsopine1 said:
Hey guys heads up but discord use is a ban offense so far only built in party chat for PS4/XBOX are allowed as there built in but any external non standard I.E anything in PC that allows chatting that's not (sitting next to each other in Same room) is a violation for ban you.just need proof

Btw, this joke is not true anymore too. Steam has built-in voice chat for a long time now...

You know, I do want to point out that it's a misunderstanding that swf groups and discord are super overpowered. Really they're aren't as powerful as people think.

I've faced groups that destroy me, made worse by discord and swf. But I've also destroyed similar groups. To be honest, I don't think they destroyed me due to using vc, but because they played better than me or I made too many mistakes.

I know it's frustrating but if you're not having fun, why not chat with people on ways to mind game people or different builds? Find a community to join. Make friends post game chat. 

We all know survs got his discord ot team spak and some killer perks are just not usable becose of that that same when one die and can see on end screen killer load and say his frind to destroy totems becose he got noed.Devs dont have power to stop this discord or ts.

Ok, swf is broken, its a fact. But devs still can make reasonable nerfs to it. Like, hide killer perks for everyone till end of the game, when all survivors escaped/killed/sacrificed. And, probably, they can create another non-ranked playmode with swf, while ranked mode would be solo only. Makes sense, right?

@Grey87 said:

@HellDescent said:
they just need to remove swf from the game

And with that remove a part of the people who play it.

You can always play solo and kyf...oh yes, you do need comms to win

redsopine1 said:

Hey guys heads up but discord use is a ban offense so far only built in party chat for PS4/XBOX are allowed as there built in but any external non standard I.E anything in PC that allows chatting that's not (sitting next to each other in Same room) is a violation for ban you.just need proof

Lmao yea right 

DeadByFlashlight said:

@MagnumTA said:
They should allow talking in this game. So many people use Discord, and other talking apps. That it completely throws game balance off. That it's is the soul reason that some people may complain about killer imbalance. But they may not know, in actuality, it's these talking services that completely unbalances the game. Making killers too weak to compete in a game were talking is not allowed. Make killers strong enough to compete with Discord!!

With the new report system coming, it falls under the category "use at own risk".
I asked the support and they confirmed that, any 3rd party programs not on the whitelist of EAC are "use at own risk" now.

Please provide proof of said conversation otherwise this is literal nonsense, intent to bully and fearmonger newcomers to the community. 

I spoke with seven mods, Gabe Newell and the Entity, all confirm and validate my opinions so please listen to my written text block here as its mandated as law.

Stop being silly. Just stop.

Rattman said:

Ok, swf is broken, its a fact. But devs still can make reasonable nerfs to it. Like, hide killer perks for everyone till end of the game, when all survivors escaped/killed/sacrificed. And, probably, they can create another non-ranked playmode with swf, while ranked mode would be solo only. Makes sense, right?

Now that sounds cool

Grey87 said:

@redsopine1 said:
Hey have a look at the ban section it states any third party means is a ban offense the exception is the console's as they have voice chat built in

Ok, I'll just use steam's built in voice chat xD
Wow, now I really am not sure it this guy is a troll or actually serious.

Facepaws * read all the comments someone explained what the 3rd party stuff was in detail and I realized I was wrong and apologized

yeet said:

redsopine1 said:

Grey87 said:

@redsopine1 said:
Hey have a look at the ban section it states any third party means is a ban offense the exception is the console's as they have voice chat built in

Ok, I'll just use steam's built in voice chat xD
Wow, now I really am not sure it this guy is a troll or actually serious.

Facepaws * read all the comments someone explained what the 3rd party stuff was in detail and I realized I was wrong and apologized

did you really just say that...

Boops you * I'm a fur so I have paws not hands so its a facepaw and yes before I was adamant vc outside ps and exbix was losted under 3rd party but once it was explained I realized I was mistaken and apoligized

So many people say "just add in-game voice comms". My answer to that is simply "peer-to-peer connection". We already have a lot of people playing killer who are barely able to host the current version of the game, and you want to add 5-player voice traffic to that connection?

Maybe if we had dedicated servers, sure. Until then, we're stuck with using third-party programs for chat, which by the way includes console voice chat. Console voice chat is not run by the DBD devs, it's a console program designed and run by the console manufacturers.

Also, from what I understand console voice chat works just like Steam voice chat. You're not automatically dumped into a voice chat room with everyone in your match, you have to choose to join in. In a PC DBD game, you could choose to invite everyone in your lobby to a Steam call, which would be hosted on Steam servers.