Gen speeds are fine

A fair few people would say Moris and irlhead is not balance. While the match in question, did not have any of these add ons or offering in play. Simply a trapper bag and one that make setting his traps down faster. Nothing that would be akin to a one shot hatch or mori. Otz had to get the normal three hooks to kill off a survivor, survivors could still free themselves from a trap or get help from someone else and escape it before the trapper could get to them. Ozt still has to use his power the way any other trapper would. The bag and other add on, simply made setting up his traps easier. Setting up his traps like any other Trapper would. They didn't remove a hook state from a survivor or grant him range one shot attacks. So how does a mori, which was not used in this match, matter at all?

Depip squad has and continues to show you can go gens so fast in this game, killer has zero chance against it. And that is with people on different gens, purposefully not stacking on one gen.

I've put in a lot of hours on both sides but admittedly am a killer main and really only ever play with or against very smart survivors or swfs, so take that as you will.

Gen speeds are only fine for survivors who don't know how to be chased, the kind of survivors who know how to do everything BUT run a proper loop. But when you play with or against a swf or even random survivors the advantage is entirely on the survivor's side.

Think about logically for a second and not with this salty pissed off energy that we all have playing DbD. Your average good killer vs an average good survivor in a chase, and no great streamers don't count those are exceptions 90% of players aren't that good, the survivor can run a killer especially at the start for a good 20-30 seconds at least. Might not seem like a lot but killers obviously can only chase ONE at a time, which means unless the other survivors have brain damage they are working on gens. And in that time frame can pop at least two gens if they work together, or even solo. Also no hooks do not slow things down, if you camp your and idiot and will lose, and if you go check gens that guys gets off, which is fine, but then you have three survivors again working on gens.

I don't think gen speeds need a massive nerf but something needs to be done IMO.

So your point is, it ultra rare and so it's ok to be overpowered?

Ghostface ultra rare add on "ghostface caught on tape" boosts lean stalk speed but at the cost of making non lean stalk speed slower. Or to give numbers. -1 second for lend stalk speed and plus 0.75 seconds for non lean stalk speed. Which can backfire and make it harder for ghostface to 99% someone or triggering the expose effect, when you didn't want it to go off. That and it does have a downside, of negatively effecting ghostface when not leaning while stalking. Ghostface would be better off using one of the recovery add ons, like chewed pen or address book. Ghostface best add ons, are green and below in terms of rarity. Now ghostface other ultra rare add on, is "outdoor security camera", when ever you down a expose aka marked survivor, you get a bbq effect of seeing survivors, who are not in your terror radius for 4 seconds. Which is ok but again the issue is, you would have to give up a recovery add on, to take one of these ultra rares. Which in the case of the camera, you could just run bbq to get the same effect and just take a recovery add on. Both of these ultra rare add ons for ghostface, have a negative downside to them or makes the ghostface have to work to earn the effect. Why are the recovery adds on the best for ghostface? It allows him to us his power more often, be it for sneaking around and getting in close for a stab or simply to stalk and mark survivors with his ability, for a one hit down.

Oni ultra rare add on of iridescent family chest, when using your power and missing with a demon strike, all survivors with in 12 metres of you scream. Which is bloody awful, for if you are using your power as Oni, odds are, the survivor is already right next to you. Two perks that are rather common on Oni, are monitor and abuse and Fright. Which Monitor makes it easier for Oni to get that first hit, thanks to reduce terror radius. While helping to find survivors with Fright, when he downs someone, thanks to a boosted terror radius while in a chase. Making Oni ultra rare add on pointless, when you can take two perks that will not only work better but benefit the Oni more than this ultra rare add on. Which the bloody glove, Oni other ultra rare add on the bloody glove, you have to run a very certain build to make good use of it. The all seeing Oni build. Otherwise, you have to not use your power to make use of this add on, since blood orbs fade away while Oni is demon mode, the blood orbs only return after Oni comes out of his power. Which Oni power grants him speed and one hit downs. Which is why the best add on for a normal Oni build, are the Topknot, which allows a oni to use demon dash faster and the add ons that allow him to stay in bloody fury longer, both of which are not ultra rare add ons. So your whole point it's a ultra rare add on, so it broken or must be overpowered and that fine. Falls apart the minute we look at other killers ultra rare add ons, that are not huntress. I'm sorry but not all ultra rare are made equal as you seem to think they are.

Imo gens aren't the problem, it's the lack of objectives survivors have!

For killers the game is balanced when they can get a 4k without skill. Means, they want that survs are as weak as possible that they even lose as a good 4 player swf against a player that isn't good in any way. If a killer can't get a 4k dbd is unbalanced. Players that are on rank 1 that shouldn't be there are playing against players that have skill and because of that they're losing and going to cry on the forum. I'm a Legion main im rank 1 and most of my games are 4ks with 32k points. Because most of the players on rank 1 are on rank 1 because of the bad new rank reset. Also when I'm playing survs I'm getting mates that have like 20% on dbd and they're still rank 1-6 that's stupid. But I didn't want to talk about that I just think it's ridiculous that the community of dead by daylight is so broken. Killers want that survs are nerfed to dead because most of the killer mains are trash players. Many surv players are trash, I know games where I get 1 kill because they're rushing the gens but just because I don't get a 4k 1 time I'm not going to the Forum and start crying about how "OP" survs are just because I got players that Rush gens 1 time or 2 times lmao dbd is a good game with a toxic annoying community that thinks the other side is too op if they lose. I love DbD but that toxic community is destroying my game experience. Because the devs are listening to the killer Mains because there are stupid players like True talent that are talking ######### and the killer mains are copying his words because he is the "mighty true talent" and all survs are op. Ridiculous. Crying about the ds but don't want to stop tunneling, crying about gens but start camping when a surv is good in a chase. Survs getting a good perk again after 2 YEARS PLZ NERF BHVR THIS IS OP like every surv that isn't bullshit is op until it's getting nerfed to the ground. But something like noed isn't strong because YoU cAn DeStRoY jUsT aLl ThE tOtEmS and RuIn Is DeStRoYeD but many players are using the "destroyed perk". Weird but yea survs are op

I would like to say thank you to everyone in this thread who is interested in a open and honest debate, rather than playing into the us vs them mind set. So it's refreshing to see some people trying to take the topic serious and debate if it a issue or not, rather than just labeling anyone who has ever touched or played killer as some whiny crybaby [like some seem to be doing] or labeling them all as some evil out group that is wrong simply due to being the out group, without using logic and reason to explain why a certain thing is right or wrong.

Lesson learned

you have to be a top tier streaming God just to win a match as killer

Everyone else would have been dust

Killer really needs to spawn in before survivors do to set up and he needs to spawn in the center so gens aren't popping before you do a stride.

Killer perks should have more slowdown synergy. Instead of extra drawbacks

@emptyCups

I've seen better killers make better choices. Sometimes it's a bad thing when you keep talking and preemptively set traps (for the future) while you knew fully well 4 toolboxes were in play. Hence why not every person who plays trapper sets traps right at the beginning of the match. He is not Hag.

I love how everyone complains because 4 people brought toolboxes with the best add ons and finished one gen really fast. Toolboxes are burned up and they get crushed by a Trapper. Toolboxes are useless now and people still complain, lol.

I feel like gen times are really fine, especially after the "EGC but at the start" is implemented, which the devs were talking about.

Some more map reworks are also more or less confirmed and I feel like the game is mostly in a good state, although there is always room for improvement.

They really just have to buff some of the weaker killers and improve the solo player experience (even though I personally don't really have too many problems with going in solo and escaping).

There are obviously some Add-ons and items that need to be looked at, like moris, keys and iridescent hatchets, but I think that will happen soon enough.

They consumed 4 toolboxes and used a perk and took 68 seconds worth of time (17*4) to complete a single gen in a way that they can't do to the remaining 4 gens even if they were uninterrupted.

When you stack several effects towards a singular instant of power, it BETTER be powerful.

It's like saying heal speeds are too fast because someone with NOLB, We'll make it Botany and a medkit could heal a Survivor with leader in only a few seconds.

Sure if they could just do that whenever it would be a problem, but they can't, not even close. So it's fine. Like how slow would it need to be to be balanced?

18 seconds? 19? 20?

At 20 seconds they'd be spending 80 seconds worth of time. Meaning that 4 Survivors working on seperate gens with nothing would be making progress as fast as the Survivors working together and stacking several gen speed increases.

That's just not right.

Honestly as someone who plays both killers and survivors on PC and console, it isn't broken. It takes a while to get a BNP usually on bloodwebs, do you also complain about Mori's? The one hook now you're dead ones? They WASTED 3 BNPs on ONE generator at the start they no longer have it, toolboxes have been nerfed to hell and back. Do you want them to just take them out of the game completely? As a killer knowing all 3 wasted their toolbox AND BNP on one generator I'd be elated knowing I really don't have to worry about it anymore, they have nothing else for gen pressure further on it's done. He also has a general idea on where they all are now to chase them down, he got a 4k. It's insane how much killers complain on the forums it's all about needing to nerf survivors. They're already bringing in pyramid Head who pretty much destroys deliverance which in itself inflicts broken for a full on minute so you're screeching in pain for a full minute in the match he also pretty much destroys decisive strike because he can just focus on one curse and that's it, it also doesn't count as an unhook if people are trying to do an archive challenge so..? What else do you guys honestly need? They wasted 3 BNPs an ULTRA RARE add on that isn't on every single bloodweb I've had it a handful on times on one character that I prestiged 3 times. You'll argue that mori's are very fair but then come screaming because an SWF that got bodied wasted 3 BNPs on one generator. Ok cool.

Bro I barely play killer and it goes by fast like that at rank 14 and I'll still get two or 33 kills so quit complaining it matters about pressure and how well you play even if they split amd you apply pressure and about hatch thats your fault bc you have the choice to slug both of them before you hook one or hook the one with the key amd look for hatch before he dies its based on how you play quit crying about a game

17 seconds is only 3 seconds faster than normal efficiency. All of their stacked speedups and ideal conditions and all they get out of it is 3 measly seconds.

They could have instead ran more second chance perks and ran flashlights and medkits for extra safety in a chase. But instead they decided to group up and use toolboxes and gen repair perks. All of that and it's only saving, 3 seconds. That's an effective 12 second time save over 4 Survivors by the way.

You know what is more effective than that? Resilience on a single Survivor. Specifically the perk saves 33 seconds over 5 gens. That's massive compared to just 12 seconds on a single gen.

Plus remember, no mechanic is inherently overpowered, it's all relative. For example, while mori's are OP, Devour Hope which eventually uses the same mechanic is not.

Wait a second, I smell some hypocrisy here. I thought it shouldn't matter how strong and unbalanced something is unless it's unable to be countered. Otzdarva showed that even though they did bring BNP, he's still able to overcome it and win. I'm pretty sure Otz was more annoyed at eating two DSes in a row rather than the 3 BNP.

So what if the average killer is unable to take on 3 BNP's? You can say that the average survivor would be unable to counter moris, noed, iri hatchets, stridor spirit, crack billy, spam shock doctor, and forever Freddy. However, since they are all "counterable", they still remain in the game because good survivors can overcome them.

As in it's a non-balance issue?