too many pallets and safe havens

@jakeb_1993 said:
BasementLeatherBoi said:

@jakeb_1993 said:

At since this forum is 98% killer, this is going to hurt you alot.

There is no such thing as looping or an infinite loop. It is mathematically impossible. Let me break down nice and easy for you:

Lets say that a survivor has a base speed of 'n' 

Since killers are faster we will say that the killers speed is 'n+1'

Given that they are both running around the same obstacle the length of 'l' is the same for both killers and survivors. 

Since they both cover the same ground 'n+1=l' occurs before 'n=l' 

This doesn't even begin to cover bloodlust which adds 'an extra +1 to speed for all three tiers resulting in +4'

So what about Windows?

Since survivors rarely go through the vaults at full speed and the fact hat killers can lunge attack through the vaults then looping is impossible. Either one of two things will happen: the survivor gets hit and then sprints away or the survivor successful vaults and the attack misses (Rarely happens due to broken hit boxes and whatnot but that's another argument for another day). 

Plus if a survivor really wants to 'loop' a window then they can only loop twice before getting shut off. So again. Not a valid argument. 

So onto Pallets:

Pallets disrupt 'l' to slow the killer down.and yes, technically it is possible to run around and cause a semi-permaent loop. I say semi cause here is the thing: You can break pallets. Shock horror. So looping around pallets for 'infinite' is impossible.

Please just stop getting salty over the fact that you keep losing mind games to survivors. If you keep running in one direction you will catch them or they will break the loop. Simples. Not hard. I break them all the time. I would say 'Git Gud' like you say to everyone else on here, but tbh I think for you salty lot on these forums 'good' is a bit of a stretch of your abilities. 

You realize the loops don’t have to be infinite right? With enough pallet loops semi infinite is enough to last until all gens are done.

It only happens if you let it happen. If you are there chasing someone around a loop for 80 seconds, who is the real idiot? Killers need to learn better map control and learn to pick their battles. If you play correctly you can get a good 4K, everyone gets over 18000 bloodpoints and no one depips.

Killers on here get salty that they get outsmarted and don't get their precious 4K. Then they blame the game when the it is stacked in their favour so much. They just like to think the survivors are over powered cause they aren't good enough to win.

Sorry about the rant, but after reading several threads today, I am fed up of the level of incompetence from the killers on this forum 

Okay so at high ranks if every survivor knows how to pallet loop correctly without messing up, then how do you win? Sure you might get one or two at the end if you’re playing a higher tier killer like billy. But what if you’re playing someone like leatherface or wraith? You’re stuck chasing each survivor in a circle until they run out of pallets or windows. Also survivors running in a circle isn’t really outsmarting the killer at all. I mean if they do some cool locker or window juke to lose the killer sure they outsmarted the killer, but running in a circle for 5 minutes? Also the point of the poster was that there are too many pallets so no matter who you chase they have a healthy supply of pallets.

Welcome sir I hear you are getting looped. May i introduce you to our brand new product "The Nurse" I think you deserve her

@jakeb_1993 said:
The number of pallets has already been reduced, so the OP question is more of a "You were playing it wrong" than actually being valid. 

And the wraith and LF are perfectly viable killers. LF needs a major nerf to his chainsaw and the wraith has the fastest movement speed of any killer.

If survivor are looping you, then break and hit gens, coral them into 'Gen killboxes' play mind games with them that way. Very easy to do if you set it up right 

The fact that you think lf needs nerfs and wraith is good makes me sad. Leatherface chainsaw is flaming hot garbage without good addons. The only thing it’s good for is killing overly altruistic survivors who think they can unhook in his face. If you honstely thinks it’s op you must be an entitled survivor main who thinks that all survivors are entitled to a free escape. Like seriously why don’t you try playing killer at higher ranks and see if you still think it’s heavily balanced in their favor.

jakeb_1993 said:

At since this forum is 98% killer, this is going to hurt you alot.

There is no such thing as looping or an infinite loop. It is mathematically impossible. Let me break down nice and easy for you:

Lets say that a survivor has a base speed of 'n' 

Since killers are faster we will say that the killers speed is 'n+1'

Given that they are both running around the same obstacle the length of 'l' is the same for both killers and survivors. 

Since they both cover the same ground 'n+1=l' occurs before 'n=l' 

This doesn't even begin to cover bloodlust which adds 'an extra +1 to speed for all three tiers resulting in +4'

So what about Windows?

Since survivors rarely go through the vaults at full speed and the fact hat killers can lunge attack through the vaults then looping is impossible. Either one of two things will happen: the survivor gets hit and then sprints away or the survivor successful vaults and the attack misses (Rarely happens due to broken hit boxes and whatnot but that's another argument for another day). 

Plus if a survivor really wants to 'loop' a window then they can only loop twice before getting shut off. So again. Not a valid argument. 

So onto Pallets:

Pallets disrupt 'l' to slow the killer down.and yes, technically it is possible to run around and cause a semi-permaent loop. I say semi cause here is the thing: You can break pallets. Shock horror. So looping around pallets for 'infinite' is impossible.

Please just stop getting salty over the fact that you keep losing mind games to survivors. If you keep running in one direction you will catch them or they will break the loop. Simples. Not hard. I break them all the time. I would say 'Git Gud' like you say to everyone else on here, but tbh I think for you salty lot on these forums 'good' is a bit of a stretch of your abilities. 

Survivors have a much smaller environmental hitbox thus they move around objects quicker, you're not as smart as you think.

Hellbilly said:

@yeet said:
jakeb_1993 said:

At since this forum is 98% killer, this is going to hurt you alot.

There is no such thing as looping or an infinite loop. It is mathematically impossible. Let me break down nice and easy for you:

Lets say that a survivor has a base speed of 'n' 

Since killers are faster we will say that the killers speed is 'n+1'

Given that they are both running around the same obstacle the length of 'l' is the same for both killers and survivors. 

Since they both cover the same ground 'n+1=l' occurs before 'n=l' 

This doesn't even begin to cover bloodlust which adds 'an extra +1 to speed for all three tiers resulting in +4'

So what about Windows?

Since survivors rarely go through the vaults at full speed and the fact hat killers can lunge attack through the vaults then looping is impossible. Either one of two things will happen: the survivor gets hit and then sprints away or the survivor successful vaults and the attack misses (Rarely happens due to broken hit boxes and whatnot but that's another argument for another day). 

Plus if a survivor really wants to 'loop' a window then they can only loop twice before getting shut off. So again. Not a valid argument. 

So onto Pallets:

Pallets disrupt 'l' to slow the killer down.and yes, technically it is possible to run around and cause a semi-permaent loop. I say semi cause here is the thing: You can break pallets. Shock horror. So looping around pallets for 'infinite' is impossible.

Please just stop getting salty over the fact that you keep losing mind games to survivors. If you keep running in one direction you will catch them or they will break the loop. Simples. Not hard. I break them all the time. I would say 'Git Gud' like you say to everyone else on here, but tbh I think for you salty lot on these forums 'good' is a bit of a stretch of your abilities. 

Survivors have a much smaller environmental hitbox thus they move around objects quicker, you're not as smart as you think.

Which is why Freddy/Pig are a little bit better when it comes to pallet juking because they have the same hitbox as Survivors, except when it comes to getting hit by the pallet.

No they don't, all killers have an identical hitbox.

@jakeb_1993 said:
At since this forum is 98% killer, this is going to hurt you alot.

There is no such thing as looping or an infinite loop. It is mathematically impossible. Let me break down nice and easy for you:

Lets say that a survivor has a base speed of 'n' 

Since killers are faster we will say that the killers speed is 'n+1'

Given that they are both running around the same obstacle the length of 'l' is the same for both killers and survivors. 

Since they both cover the same ground 'n+1=l' occurs before 'n=l' 

This doesn't even begin to cover bloodlust which adds 'an extra +1 to speed for all three tiers resulting in +4'

So what about Windows?

Since survivors rarely go through the vaults at full speed and the fact hat killers can lunge attack through the vaults then looping is impossible. Either one of two things will happen: the survivor gets hit and then sprints away or the survivor successful vaults and the attack misses (Rarely happens due to broken hit boxes and whatnot but that's another argument for another day). 

Plus if a survivor really wants to 'loop' a window then they can only loop twice before getting shut off. So again. Not a valid argument. 

So onto Pallets:

Pallets disrupt 'l' to slow the killer down.and yes, technically it is possible to run around and cause a semi-permaent loop. I say semi cause here is the thing: You can break pallets. Shock horror. So looping around pallets for 'infinite' is impossible.

Please just stop getting salty over the fact that you keep losing mind games to survivors. If you keep running in one direction you will catch them or they will break the loop. Simples. Not hard. I break them all the time. I would say 'Git Gud' like you say to everyone else on here, but tbh I think for you salty lot on these forums 'good' is a bit of a stretch of your abilities. 

Your algebra lesson was cute and all but completely left out the fact that killers have a larger hit box. They can't circle objects as tightly as survivors meaning survivors are running a shorter distance around things than killers. So it ends up being n+1-2/17(3*16)=x

I don't think killers are in that bad a spot at the moment really. I don't use Ruin or any of the 'top tier' killers and do well in most games without any need for camping or poor tactics.

You can dramatically up your enjoyment and success by learning some game sense and not convincing yourself from the start that you are going to get looped and then following through your own prophecy by chasing the same survivor around a bad spot for 3 gens. Sometimes it is enough to get them off task and apply pressure elsewhere.

Monitor and Abuse is an underated perk for a lot of killers, getting 8 metres closer before they realise you are near can be the difference between a hit before they get onto a loop and not. Survivors generally perform worse when injured because they know they are going down next hit.

@xxaggieboyxx said:

@Steebear said:
I don't think killers are in that bad a spot at the moment really. I don't use Ruin or any of the 'top tier' killers and do well in most games without any need for camping or poor tactics.

You can dramatically up your enjoyment and success by learning some game sense and not convincing yourself from the start that you are going to get looped and then following through your own prophecy by chasing the same survivor around a bad spot for 3 gens. Sometimes it is enough to get them off task and apply pressure elsewhere.

Monitor and Abuse is an underated perk for a lot of killers, getting 8 metres closer before they realise you are near can be the difference between a hit before they get onto a loop and not. Survivors generally perform worse when injured because they know they are going down next hit.

your comment is basically uselss. you gave no tips. no help you just said you do well. also i said chasing other survivors doesnt work too well and everyone with common sense knows that. and yeah monitor is ok. you obviously havnt played against smart survivors. when you play and do well ask yourself this everytime you hit someone "did i do well or did they screw up" most of the time its because they screwed up unless you play the nurse or the hag and have a trap in a nice spot

I would be happy to give tips but didn't think it was the place to spew them out. If you are struggling feel free to PM me and I will help you out.

I have over 1500 hours and have played against all the types of survivors there are to play against so I would appreciate it if you avoided the silly ad hominum attacks that do nothing to further the discussion.

I find it easier toget ranks as a killer. Most games as the killer I double pip, whereas a survivor I struggle to get a pip, mainly I am fighting not to depip. 

And yes all chainsaw welders should get a debuff. They both for starters shouldn't go so far, the distance I can close with them is silly. I don't even need to aim, just rev go and shoot. Plus they should have the equalivant of a pallet stun after using the chainsaw. It should be a tactical use ability designed to punish survivors who corner themselves. 

jakeb_1993 said:

At since this forum is 98% killer, this is going to hurt you alot.

There is no such thing as looping or an infinite loop. It is mathematically impossible. Let me break down nice and easy for you:

Lets say that a survivor has a base speed of 'n' 

Since killers are faster we will say that the killers speed is 'n+1'

Given that they are both running around the same obstacle the length of 'l' is the same for both killers and survivors. 

Since they both cover the same ground 'n+1=l' occurs before 'n=l' 

This doesn't even begin to cover bloodlust which adds 'an extra +1 to speed for all three tiers resulting in +4'

So what about Windows?

Since survivors rarely go through the vaults at full speed and the fact hat killers can lunge attack through the vaults then looping is impossible. Either one of two things will happen: the survivor gets hit and then sprints away or the survivor successful vaults and the attack misses (Rarely happens due to broken hit boxes and whatnot but that's another argument for another day). 

Plus if a survivor really wants to 'loop' a window then they can only loop twice before getting shut off. So again. Not a valid argument. 

So onto Pallets:

Pallets disrupt 'l' to slow the killer down.and yes, technically it is possible to run around and cause a semi-permaent loop. I say semi cause here is the thing: You can break pallets. Shock horror. So looping around pallets for 'infinite' is impossible.

Please just stop getting salty over the fact that you keep losing mind games to survivors. If you keep running in one direction you will catch them or they will break the loop. Simples. Not hard. I break them all the time. I would say 'Git Gud' like you say to everyone else on here, but tbh I think for you salty lot on these forums 'good' is a bit of a stretch of your abilities. 

Remember that you entered this discussion disrespectfully. . .

For somebody who thinks they are so mathematically adept and condescending you sure don’t know much. Almost every survivor player admits that there are double pallets, double windows, and quasi-infinite looping spots. The fact that you think Leatherface needs to be nerfed proves you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, and also invalidates most of the points you’ve been making; let me make this nice and simple for you: you have zero credibility at this point. Also, if I was always losing mind games to survivors then I wouldn’t be playing in high ranks at all. There is no salt here; the game favouring survivors is something I think is fairly obvious. You sound like you’re salty that killers have opinions about the game that conflict with yours.

As far as your calculations go, the amount of confounding variables you haven’t even considered is astounding; hitboxes, perks, double pallets, line of sight, etc. Believe me, the last thing I want is a massive survivor nerf; I still want it to be challenging, I just think the generation algorithms need to be actually changed rather than some BS tweak. If people won’t admit there’s a problem, then it will never be solved.

The final point is something I want to repeat: every single rank 1-5 survivor player that I know admits that killers are at a disadvantage. Yes, mind games can be won, which is why killers actually get to higher ranks, but there are underlying design problems which put killers at a natural disadvantage. We’re not posting here for your opinion on it, because it’s a fact.