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Representation.
I personally don't care if we don't have any confirmed lgbt characters. At the end of the day... it's a video game and sexual preference doesn't change gameplay at all. If a character's whole story revolves around them being a part of the lgbt then that's just blatant pandering. Am I the only one who doesn't care about that kind of stuff in fiction such as tv, movies and video games unless it's actually important to the story, without it being the only focus.
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About games specifically if it's written well it doesn't matter as long as the game has in depth characters. Games like DBD and such where you basically know is little bits of what they did and how they got here i don't think they should be. I'd prefer to have my own ideas and such as most people would. To sum up it shouldn't really matter as well as it's well written like any other character.
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I just want the game to have well written lore. If the character's sexuality is an organic part of their backstory, fine. If it's shoehorned in there or made the sole focus, then that would be bad.
I dunno, usually in online games like this it's best for characters to mostly be blank slates for players to project themselves onto. The more story you give a character, the more you risk alienating someone who likes playing as them. I mean, all the backstory I've read for characters in the Tomes have made me like them less so far (I only read the killers' entries and stopped mid-Tome 2).
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In depth characters in DBD ?
Maybe in the past they made those, lately we've gotten Yui and Zarina so it feels like they just gave up on creating interesting characters.
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Agreed. Sexuality should not be a core aspect of a character.
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Yeah, today's characters seem bland and just copies of others.. They're really losing imagination. And it shouldn't matter if someone is gay in the game or whatever, it has no correlation to the game at all. And even if they would go into that direction and say that X character is gay, then why not make someone schizophrenic or with depression?
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It's not in any other character we've had thus far, so I think we're good.
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No one said that we will never get characters that are schizophrenic or depressed, or did they?
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oh yay i cant wait BHVR to bend the knee and succumb to future posts of furries dont feel represented so lets boycotted it or give me an attack helicopter legendary skin or we will tear you down
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Please, what are next week's lottery numbers?
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Well then this whole topic shouldn’t affect you at all.
it does matter for others though, and there were always people that cared for the lore, so let them.
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Honestly if they add furries, I'll have to mori even more people. ######### furries.
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I already discussed this with him. Nurse and Doctor fit his bill, but he refuses to acknowledge it.
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This seems like another one of those "JK Rowling" moments where there's a completely useless piece of info given with no meaning behind it, just to please some whiners that want to see gay stuff everywhere.
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Read the lore, thank you Orion.
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So they should please the whiners who just want straight stuff stuff instead? Some people genuinely enjoy the lore. Why can't you be happy for them?
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Still waiting for you to say if you concur with my diagnosis of the Nurse or not.
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Until you read the lore 3 times in a row so it's hard-written in your brain, don't come spitting out some bullshit that you don't know anything about. Do some research.
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The diagnosis of schizophrenia? It is fundementally wrong. What's the Pathognomonic symptom that defines this particular diagnosis?
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I'll take that as a "Yes, I concur".
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If you're really a physician that tries to diagnose someone based on 1 SYMPTOM ONLY, then you're either not a physician or you should be fired immediately.
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I said I'm a physicist, not a physician. That's why I know MRIs hadn't been invented in the 19th century, even though I don't know when they were invented, simply because I know how they work. The Nurse had/has multiple symptoms common with schizophrenia, some of which are pathognomonic of it. While her lore skips a lot of the minutiae, I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude the devs were going for schizophrenia.
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Please mention said symptoms. And if the devs were going for schizophrenia, I think that they would have actually made it more apparent than whatever you're talking about.
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I don’t know anything about that JK Rowling stuff, and frankly I don’t care.
you said you don’t give a f about the nurses sexuality, but then you said you don’t want any LGBT+ stuff in the game? That is very contradicting. Either you don’t care or you don’t want it.
it is also as useless or meaningless as every other part of the Backstory/Lore.
have you considered they add it not because of whiners but because they actually gradually expand the lore in every aspect? I didn’t see that many people that were against the tome backstories though.
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"you said you don’t give a f about the nurses sexuality, but then you said you don’t want any LGBT+ stuff in the game? That is very contradicting. Either you don’t care or you don’t want it."
-True, I do care about it as I don't want an entire character built around the principle of being Gay or whatever. If the character has a rich backstory and some pretty good lore overall with a sprinkle of "and btw he's gay" on top, then cool! I don't mind it at all. But if it's a Neeko situation where the entire character is made to be lesbian/gay, then I do have a problem with that.
"have you considered they add it not because of whiners but because they actually gradually expand the lore in every aspect? I didn’t see that many people that were against the tome backstories though."
- That would actually be awesome imo. I think it will be pretty obvious if they gave in to the whiners or if they actually wanted to expand the universe.
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And it would make some really INTERESTING content on Dbdgonewild ;)
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She had depression, delusions, and hallucinations and was catatonic when they found her. Furthermore, she was under extreme physical and mental stress for 20 years following a traumatic event (the death of her husband). To me, this screams schizophrenia. The brain abnormalities must've been there all along and her condition was exacerbated by her situation.
I think your problem is that you're thinking too much like a doctor (no pun intended) and not enough like a layman. The devs weren't going to do extensive research on schizophrenia and make sure they mentioned every little detail of her condition, nobody would even give a #########. The general description given by them fits the general understanding of schizophrenia.
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But as far as we know this will exactly be the case.
there is nothing in the tweet that indicates they will make a completely new char with their only trait being LGBT (exactly no one wants this or asked for this here iirc).
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The thing is, the LGBT characters are already here. It's not like they're going to create a character from the ground up just to add an LGBT character. They've already created LGBT characters and simply didn't confirm it. All they're going to do is confirm it. This is what's written in their tweet, if you take the time to read it.
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That is what they said, that the LGBT characters were already here but they only confirmed the heterosexual ones. This was seen as a faux pas on their part, hence the apologetic tone of the tweet.
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Well they DID do some extensive research to do Doctor's background Lore (about MKUltra and all that stuff). So I think that they would've done the same if they really wanted to say the Nurse had schizophrenia.
Depression can both be Nevrotic and Psychotic.
There is literally nothing in her lore indicating she has hallucinations, if you think otherwise please quote the text.
Catatonia was previousely thought to be exclusive to schizophrenia, but recently it has been confirmed that it also appears in bipolar and depressive pathologies as well as PTSD (which is the more likely illness that she has).
The traumatic event you're talking about wasn't as traumatic as the things she saw in the Asylum. And no, the general description fits more PTSD rather than schizophrenia.
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which ones? I'm interested.
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JK Rowling said men pretending to be women dont have menstruation since they are not females, and it set off the debate whether or not males who think they are females, are actually women or not since they cannot make babies. I have no opinion onj this subject j8ust telling you what she said.
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They can mentally be females, but unless they literally transplant their brains into another body, the DNA structure tells us that they're males.
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Arguably MKUltra is talked about more than the minutiae of mental illnesses, but OK.
You're right, she didn't have hallucinations. I could've sworn the devs had added a line about hallucinations along with those "concepts of purification" and the "re-played memories".
Her hopes and dreams were crushed, I'd say that's fairly traumatic. I'm not saying it was nearly as traumatic as spending 20 years in an insane asylum, but still fairly traumatic.
As a layman with a friend with PTSD and another with schizophrenia, I would sooner think "schizophrenia" after reading her condition than I would PTSD. Let's agree to disagree.
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If we knew that, there'd be no point to the tweet saying they were going to confirm it. I opened a thread where people could speculate, if you want to read it: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/160550/taking-all-bets-which-characters-are-lgbt-and-which-are-heterosexual
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I think getting physically and mentally abused for 20 years is FAR more traumatic than the death of a loved one.
" You're right, she didn't have hallucinations. I could've sworn the devs had added a line about hallucinations along with those "concepts of purification" and the "re-played memories" "
- "Memories that are re-played every night" - Flashbacks aren't specifically hallucinations.
- "concepts of purification" - Delusions aren't hallucinations.
As a guy with a gf with schizophrenia and a few friends with varying degrees of mental instabilities, I can tell you that I'd think about PTSD way sooner than Schizophrenia.
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I think getting physically and mentally abused for 20 years is FAR more traumatic than the death of a loved one.
...Yes, that's what I said.
"Memories that are re-played every night" - Flashbacks aren't specifically hallucinations.
"concepts of purification" - Delusions aren't hallucinations.
I am aware, that's why I said I thought the devs had included hallucinations along with those lines, not that those lines indicated hallucinations.
As a guy with a gf with schizophrenia and a few friends with varying degrees of mental instabilities, I can tell you that I'd think about PTSD way sooner than Schizophrenia.
To clarify: she definitely has PTSD (come on, the woman spent 20 years under physical and mental stress and abuse), but the overall condition makes me think of schizophrenia due to what I know of the conditions via my friends who have them.
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I really want to get my gf involved in this now..
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It would be nice (and far more accurate) to have her perspective, but given how people with mental issues are treated, I'd advise against her actually commenting on the forum. Just my two cents.
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She hasn't been treated very nicely in her childhood to say the least.. So yeah, that's a recurring problem in today's world sadly.
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That's why I said asking her for her opinion would be interesting and far more accurate than this back-and-forth, but she shouldn't actually comment here.
PS: I'd ask my schizophrenic friend, but she doesn't like to discuss her condition and I respect that.
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I'll ask her then send a screenshot of our convo.
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I think that's even worse. They said that they made all previous characters an open canvas but now they're gonna be slapping the lgbt label on any character they want to even though sexuality has NOTHING to do with their characters. If there's gonna be a gay or trans character I want it organically and for it to be important to their lore without it shoved down our throats every second. Slapping the lgbt label on any character regardless of their lore is completely pandering.
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Why do you have a problem with it now, when they've been confirming heterosexuals since the Nurse?
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I don't have a problem with it. They're just pandering. If they said that claudette was gay, what would that change in her lore? Nothing, they'd only be saying it to pander. I would not mind an organic gay or trans character, they're just adding them in the worst possible way. I also just don't think and a character's sexuality matters unless it's actually used as an important part of their story. Including any straight character, so don't even say I have a problem with gay people.
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Trans men/women just want to be called men/women. Focusing on the DNA structure is incredibly short-sighted due to all the intersex conditions. Yes, I know, those are a tiny minority, but they're a much larger group than trans people. Denying trans people the ability to identify as men/women because of their DNA is also denying intersex people the ability to do the same.
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Same difference, why are you against pandering now, but not when it was about heterosexuals? Your claims don't match your words. I didn't see any of this outrage when the devs went back on their word about sexualities and confirmed some of the survivors were heterosexual.
Also, they're adding them in the best possible way, which is via extended lore and showing (yes, showing, because they're not "making" anyone anything) that LGBT were here all along and nobody noticed because they're regular people.
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I don't know who any of the straight characters other than nurse are... because I don't care. It's pandering to all sides. Sexuality doesn't matter in a game like this. If the nurse was gay it wouldn't change her story, so her sexuality doesn't matter. It's pandering because they're outing characters to please us, not because it'll effect the actual story. Doesn't matter if someone's straight or gay right? Then why make it known? It doesn't matter.
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That's what they originally had intended, but then they started confirming a bunch of characters were heterosexual, so they decided to go all in and confirm LGBT as well. I don't see what the issue is, now that the cat's out of the bag. Let LGBT have representation just like heterosexuals already do.
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My point is that they shouldn't have outed ANY of the characters. If they're going to add a gay character I would like them to be organic and not just have the label slapped on them. Idk why they think that they need to out ANYONE because it doesn't matter. I'm all for them adding a character that's gay if it has something to do with the story. Right now what they're doing is pulling a jk Rowling and giving us useless information about existing characters. I really hope that if they add a gay character they don't shove it in our faces. Same with any future straight characters.
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