Thought's on LGBT characters

The only people who keep bringing this up are people who are against it (but weren't against it when heterosexuals were "outed", oddly enough). Most of the threads discussing this are by them.

Okay, now I kinda really want to know if you are being serious the whole time or this is all a big troll attempt and you are actually wanting to show how stupid those anti-LGBT+ arguments are? (If you want to stay in-character just write a PM to me, i won’t tell anyone I promise)

then what is the problem?

clearly someone who is not saying anything „anti-LGBT“ wouldn’t have anything against inclusion of LGBT themes in a game where there are already heterosexual relationships mentioned.

BHVR states they are doing this now because the community made them realize and reflect their behavior regarding sexual orientation. No threats involved, just a company realizing their mistakes and saying they will act accordingly.

All I ever think about when fleeing from a killer is how big of Meg's dingdong is or if Dwight's marriage with his homosexual partner is doing well at home outside the realm of the entity - that's where the real gameplay is at, please make this number one priority! We need LGBT to video games where they don't belong and have zero logic to exist!

You are getting awfully personal quickly...

the mistake was they stated they don’t want to include any sexual orientation (which would have been totally fine) but they contradicted themselves and several heterosexual relationships.

also: you see „yet another company held hostage by outrage culture“ only because you want to see it. There was no outrage.

Neither do straights, yet here we are. Funny how the Nurse having a husband wasn't an issue all those years ago.

They already mentioned sexuality. That ship sailed long ago.

With that argumentation they should delete everything about backstory and lore.

why does it matter where Dwight worked or that Kate was a musician? Why should I know anything about the Nurse loosing her husband? Who cares about the Oni being Spirits great great great great great grandfather?

I am not telling you that you are wrong. I never stated the opposite though.

about the outrage: I was merely talking about BHVR and DbD, because that is the topic at hand.

you know what: Frank and Julie being super into each other didn’t have anything to do with continuing the species. That wasn’t the reason they mentioned this. Actually, if it were Frank and Joey, there should not have been any difference at all.

the mentioning of non heterosexual relationships should just be not an issue at all. Does not hurt anyone and is actually part of many cultures and individuals.

When the "average person" (not true, the majority of people are either supportive of or indifferent to all sexual orientations) only speaks out against non-heterosexual orientations, that's what it sounds like. There was no outrage about any sexual orientations from anyone until the devs mentioned LGBT. That's the only difference, that the devs mentioned LGBT. So you may pretend this has nothing to do with LGBT, but the fact is nobody gave a ######### until it was about LGBT. Everyone knows and can see what you're trying to do.

But what if BHVR genuinely wants to include LGBT+ themes in the lore? They are ever expanding on lore and go deeper in their backstories, especially since the introduction of the tomes. They now saw - fitting opportunity during pride month (yeah they ARE a business company) and announce it with rational reasonings. (This is all my theory btw does not have to be true)

Why would they not be allowed to do that? Because other companies were threatened by extreme LGBT+ activists?

the thing is: we don’t know what the real reasoning for BHVR was. We can only either assume something (what you are doing and I am in this post) or we have to take the only real evidence: their tweet.

of course you might be right and the outrage witnessed with other companies before could be the reason. But there could also be someone with a gun pointing at Cote that demands this. These cases wouldn’t be the right reasoning to include it. BUT including LGBT+ themes on its own is not something bad but something good. There is nothing harmful in it.

And that is whatBHVR is going to do: include LGBT because they don’t want to exclude.

Don't give me that line. I know exactly what prompted this. June 3rd DbD devs released LGBT acceptance emotes and were met with demands for more. "Not good enough" the community says. So to the drawing board, where they have to figure out exactly what compromises they have to make to avoid being publicly defamed by internet reactionaries. June 12th you get a public capitulation. I think my favorite part of scrolling down in to the replies to that tweet is a smug image titled "The heteros are upseteros." Real inclusive, that one.

So, like I said earlier to someone else, this is a circus. Another instance of twitter activists running roughshod over a media production studio. One more on the pile. One more failure to co-exist, as if we needed more.

Oh no, you don’t give me that line!

I scrolled through those comments. There were not many demands for more (actually the only demands were like add shirtless x etc). I have seen more hateful comments towards LGBT, by far!

but you decide to mention one post that doesn’t even fit your narrative.

Yeah I mentioned it because it stood out and gave me a good chuckle, ironic as it is. Don't pretend like there weren't demands, the statement on the 12th directly references the "you referenced sexual orientation before" argument. Also take that last post I made with a grain of salt I'm getting a bit on the sleep deprived side and I'm pretty sure I heavily misinterpreted what you saying and didn't notice until after I posted. Gettin' real tired, sorry about that. 😴

And I'll ask you again, what does being straight have to do with the game? Nothing, just like the entire lore. The devs are including it because they want to, yet people are here saying they shouldn't (because reasons) and blaming the LGBT community for "threatening" them or whatever.

I am taking a bold step and say: that twitter comment was only made to give some people a good chuckle.

of course there were demands. Also extreme demands (there are extreme LGBT activists after all). But there were also demands for everything else. And more so for something else. Most comments were actually just positive without any demands

BHVR decided (not capitulated) their next step, they gave their reasoning for it and were totally rational about it. They were not more pressured into doing it than into explicitly excluding it. At the end they decided it on their own, knowing that they will please many and knowing they will also displease many.

People were saying they shouldn’t because BHVR said they will not do it. They contradicted themselves. That’s your (because reasons)

This is exactly my point with stuff like this. Real gamers don't care about if their characters are straight, gay, lesbian, or whatever. Pushing that kind of thing is exactly what makes people on defence nowadays because we have seen what it does to video games. Devs are put on a leash by the most loudest minority group to push their agenda, not for the sake of enjoying the game more, but just simply to get what they want, to remind them that yes, they can change and control video games and make devs bend to their wishes and demands.

if devs really wanted to offer LGBT stuff out of their own desire, they would do that without having to hear the community ask for it. Now, if this was an adult game or a romance story, etc, then obviously the devs would have a good reason to make LGBT characters to reach a wider audience, but again, I remind you, DBD is not a game about sexuality, so why is this so important to some people to have such characters in the game?

I sure hope you're right about that twitter comment, since the only other possibility is an intention of direct antagonism that's not good for anyone. Regardless, you're definitely right about them knowing they'd please many and displease many. Good thing they chose to please the people that would tattle on them to the social justice brigade and displease the people that will just suck it up and deal with it or move on. I just really don't see how everyone is 100% okay with how all this operates and where it leads. It's pure "ends justify the means" mindset at work and it has long consequences.

It’s Lore/character backstory. No harm whatsoever and they are expanding on the lore ever more. Maybe they just don’t want to restrict themselves anymore, they already mentioned heterosexual relations, where is the problem in mentioning other relationships?

They just made a small tweet. No video, no Q&A section devoted for it, nothing. No mention in the anniversary.

Yeah, that's true, but that doesn't really help ease the tension of the announcement because there's no certainty as to what's being done. It was vague and has just as great a chance to be a meaningless gesture as it does of being an invasive immersion killing disaster. Of course there are people that are going to be extremely concerned. How could they not be?

Dude, you just talked about how "raising awareness" is so important on the same page as the post I'm quoting. You don't get to go back and pretend you don't want people to pay attention. Come on now.

Because nothing bad happened yet. as of now with everything we know about BHVR and their lore entries etc, they will just mention it like the Hetero relations before. Maybe they will add one char whose lore revolves around LGBT (but we had concerning lore before and it wouldn’t be that bad since there are actually people like this out there; I personally wouldn’t like that though) but those are just assumptions.

there is no need to make worst case scenario assumptions. If those will happen, let the outrage begin!