Ds should be added to the base kit

Simply ds should work only on obsession, and it shouldn't change the obsession, also the stun should be 3 sec at all ranks, it's wrong the idea of blocking a killer for 60 sec for every fking survivor if there's an obsession in game, a Gen need 80 sec, 1 ds can literally cost 3 Gen to a killer (in exchange for a kill) this is wrong, especially if we consider the Gen rushing, where people keep pressing m1 at Gen ignoring everything else

DS is an extremely strong perk.

if you want to have usage of it, equip it.

we dont need survivors to be able to have 5 meta perks equipped at once

I very rarely see NOED nowadays in red ranks.

Honestly bbq and wglf should already be in basekit. Wglf does nothing but give extra bp so i think it could do with a buff to make it a little more viable like similar to what bbq does to reaveal survs auras. Other than that i think they would be good for basekit.

It literally just should not be 60 seconds. I don't get this comment:

You said "The way I hypothetically set it up makes it so that you basically have to tunnel straight off hook for Ds to work," but that's simply not true. If the whole thing is 60 seconds and only will deactivate from a protection hit or another survivor being hooked, what's to stop the survivors from still trying to make aggressive plays in front of the killer's face just because they have their stupid 60 seconds of mini godmode?

I don't even care if it was 60 seconds but the conditions need to be different. I think the most obvious way that it should be done, if we want to counter tunneling, is to even leave it at 60 seconds if you want, but make it deactivate when the survivor does interacts with anything that progresses the game more (generators, totems, etc.) If you're being tunneled, then you shouldn't be doing anything of that sort, and if you are confident enough to hunker down on a generator or something then you're probably not being tunneled. It also should deactivate when getting into a locker so people can't just do that stupid locker crap where they force you to grab them just for you to eat the DS.

The only way I would be fine with it being base kit is if this was the case: it deactivated in pretty much any case you aren't being tunneled. It will still be there if you need it for when you're being tunneled, but you wouldn't be able to abuse the crap out of it like it's an offensive perk.

Another thing I want to add: there's a lot of controversy around the thing that Peanits said, which I'm pretty sure is "It's not exclusively an anti-tunneling perk -- that's an idea that came from the community" or something like that. There's still obviously a lot of people who think it's a perk to fight tunneling, which I can't blame them for thinking. I've always thought of it like that especially because they added the condition of needing to be hooked in order for it to activate. So even if we're saying that it should be used for more than fighting tunneling, there's absolutely no way that it should be 60 seconds with how easy it is to use.

i mean, you could just indirectly buff DS by making an obsession spawn randomly base kit

The BP of BBQ and WGLF could be basekit

Good survivor will not get downed within 20 seconds after DSing the killer.

I could get behind this idea if it lasted for like 15 seconds or something. Also touching a gen or being healed basically means it should instantly be turned off. Hard no on protection hits giving DS.

Like I said: "If the whole thing is 60 seconds and only will deactivate from a protection hit or another survivor being hooked," so yeah. I realized you said body blocking. I still don't think that makes a difference.

And even decaying at 2x speed (on a generator, as you put it) it still would be too long. It would realistically be more than 30s long still because you wouldn't be progressing it 2x until you actually get on the generator, so you're looking at still 30+ seconds of the same stupid annoying effect. I don't care if it's 60s long, because like I said it should stay a longer duration like that if we're making it exclusive to getting tunneled (like you seem to be suggesting.) I just think if it stays that long it needs to disappear the moment you aren't being tunneled, which would be getting into a locker, getting on a generator, getting on a totem, maybe not healing (because you're around an ally who might presumably be trying to protect you), but you get the point. You aren't being tunneled at that point, so it needs to shut off. Even if it were to work how you're saying where it had a 60 second timer you suggested ideas for it to be specifically against tunneling. If you're getting on a generator or doing a totem, you aren't being tunneled. You also could just literally not do any of the things you listed would speed up the process, and instead still try to be the annoying douche survivor that's sitting there trying to click their flashlights and be irritating to the killer. That way your timer still stays at 60 seconds, you still have your mini god mode, and it can't be deactivated unless you just screw up your flashlight blinds (because you wouldn't be taking a protection hit and the killer wouldn't be allowed to hook another survivor.) I just don't think it should be allowed to be used while you're not being tunneled, and the killer just happens to run back into you (which you yourself said was the point of these suggestions.) That all could easily happen in 30 seconds, and that's if the survivor was immediately back on a generator the moment they got off the hook. Is that still not stupid for the killer to deal with?

So like I said before, only way that's ever going to work is if the whole effect deactivates the moment the survivor progresses the game in any way or hops into a locker so they can't force a stupid locker DS grab. Iron Will arguably isn't as strong as DS, but with the recent audio from the Silent Hill patch being so buggy, it's like every survivor had Iron Will as base kit. That one effect alone is already incredibly strong. If they added DS as base kit the way you're saying, just like they unintentionally gave every survivor Iron Will, then the game just wouldn't be playable at that point unless you're facing ultra potatoes.

I simply disagree with "Getting in a locker, cleansing a totem or getting on a gen or healing an ally doesn't mean you aren't being tunneled." PLEASE share with me an example, other than when you have DS, that you would say "Oh shoot, the killer is coming back to tunnel me! Better hop on a generator/totem/in a locker!" I'm pretty sure you aren't going to be able to tell me very many.

If you do any of those things, you likely feel safe enough to do it (because you don't know the killer is around if they even are.) If the killer leaves the hook, then you aren't being tunneled. That just means he came back that just means he came back and you didn't get away fast enough. Even if he was the kind of person that would tunnel, that's why you don't heal somebody up, do a generator, do a totem, or get into a locker. So, because the killer is "tunneling," you want him to have to deal with the perk. That's the whole point of my suggestion: it makes the survivor choose either to have the protection from being "tunneled" or get to progress the game -- not both at the same time, which is what people are doing right now in order to use the perk in a more aggressive playstyle. The whole point of making it deactivate when somebody commits to doing some objective is to discourage them from doing so if they think they're going to get tunneled.

It doesn't matter if the one person isn't doing anything with their DS, even if it lasts up to 60 seconds. What I'm saying is that with your suggestion, they still have their 60 seconds of immunity and don't have to worry about losing the effect if they want to get on an objective. I simply just disagree with that, because that's exactly what makes the perk so overwhelming in the first place. People just use it to do things right in front of the killer's face, which isn't what the case should be. I don't even think it needs any time extension. You're recommending it be base kit when it's already arguably the best survivor perk that exists in the game. The least you could do is compromise on that part. Survivors don't need 30+ seconds of immunity (and I say 30+ knowing that it's always going to much quite a bit more than that) base kit. Also, I never said to make it 80-90 seconds. I don't know where you got that. And you already go searching for other survivors and get DS'd after 55 seconds with the current version. That's why it needs to cancel out if people progress the game.

I don't know how else to word it to you other than that: Survivors don't need immunity from being picked up base kit. If it's going to remain as strong as it is, it definitely needs to remain a perk. I would only ever be okay with it if, like I said, it cancelled when you progress the game. That's the only way you're going to "not just punish killers for getting around to another survivor before the 60 seconds was up." As I said, make the timer progress 2x faster, it still won't matter. Even 30+ seconds of a stupid effect like that isn't reasonable with how fast games go. Either make it cancel out like I said if you're going to give survivors a strong base kit perk, or give killers something of about equal power. I wouldn't be opposed to survivors having DS base if I got to have Devour Hope, or Make Your Choice, or even an ivory mori. Just please for the love of god don't give survivors that stupid mini god mode base kit. That's one of the worst ideas I've heard.

Also:

• PH's execution doesn't work the same as a mori. It can't completely bypass both the 2nd and 3rd hook states, only the 3rd and final one.
• You said Ruin is unpreventable but name a way to prevent it in literally the same exact sentence.
• It still would affect killers who don't tunnel because killers would still have to deal with stupid DS protection, allowing for survivors to just do things right in front of their face still. Talk about "unpreventable impact."