Since hatches exist, why NOED is not basekit Killer power?

The Hatch exists as a final hope for the last survivor, who most likely no longer has time to finish gens and will only have time to open a Gate if both spawned sufficiently far apart. It allows a team of inexperienced/newbie survivors to have a second chance when their team almost inevitably gets sacrificed by the killer. It also gives a possible chance of escape for a good survivor who got matched with a bunch of potatoes. It is rarely a free survivor escape (where the killer couldn't do anything about it) without the use of a "tactical disconnect" or a key. It's not like the killer can't already slug to counteract the hatch opening in most situations.

Hatch was a 50/50 mechanic BEFORE the Hatch-closing mechanics were introduced (hence the infamous "Hatch Standoff"). But, this interaction is actually in the killer's favor now; they search for the hatch significantly faster, closing the hatch is very likely to doom the last survivor, and (in my experience) the game tends to prioritize killer closing the hatch over the survivor jumping in if both players are sitting on it waiting for it to open. And I think it's great that hatch has been rebalanced this way. Killer still gets to feel powerful near the end of these matches, while survivor gets properly placed under even more pressure to find the hatch first. Besides, if the last survivor escapes, you win. If they don't escape, you still win. You are simply determining whether this one survivor can eke out a small "victory" for themselves.

I think most frustrations with the Hatch boil down to survivors cheesing it with DCs & Keys, or the killer feeling entitled to a free 4k (when they've already won the Trial and still have favorable odds of stopping the 4th person); two issues that I don't see a base-mechanic NOED solving.

I mean noed is usually used as a surprise boom 1 hitted you and if it was base kit then people would be running map every single game and do totems so you wouldnt get your surprise 1 hit anymore.

Plus i dont like this idea on certain killers like Spirit Nurse and freddy. they are already annoying to go against in Solo Q.

tbh NOED becoming baseline would be good an bad, yes instant downs at the last stretch is a pretty desired thing, but that speed buff would allow some really bad RNG gates to be un-openable as survivor, just imagine baseline NOED huntress gets lucky and both gates are on the same side+clear hatchet shots or trapper with close proxy gates, you aint escaping.

now if they fixed some of the bull gate spawns so they HAVE to spawn somewhat apart (the game and midwhich are pretty good at this), give NOED baseline, remove the speed buff or slightly lower killer speed while someone is slugged or hooked in end game and maybe make it so you can ALWAYS mori the last survivor i could see "NOED" being just as clutchy as hatch yet equally as acceptable since it rewards you for catching that last survivor while helping making fast games have a catch up mechanic which vs really altruistic SWF groups would allow already power housed games to slow down enough so the killer can at least MAYBE if they work alittle to catch someone get a kill in, especially if its a last man mori, nothing more fun that getting a mori on at least one guy in a SWF group.

then to balance out the hatch a little make it so while 2 or more survivors are still alive its semi transparent and less obvious, if a survivor stays near it for far to long (just like cage camping) it'll move somewhere else unless there's only 1 survivor remaining in which case it becomes solid and opens and its fair game for whoever escapes first.

now if the killer closes a hatch and theres only one survivor left, gates need to slowly progress on their own to discourage this gate camping crap till the entity steps in, make it progress at maybe 2% per second OR if the only survivor is in the match and gates are still closed the switch no longer shows the progress of the gate and the audio of the gate opening is 50% quieter allowing that last survivor who cant get the hatch a CHANCE at escaping as currently 1v1 unless you get a really slow killer or very BS sized maps, you wont be opening gates alone because if he see's progress, he knows your near and if they spawn close enough to patrol you cannot make progress without dying.

then maybe rework NOED so for each survivor still alive add 25% more audio to the gates opening and 50% slowdown for gate opening times so the perk can slow down the end game but can be countered by killing the hex, then the hex called no one ESCAPES death can actually more accurately slow peoples ESCAPES rather than people just dying in one hit.

i will probably get some flack for these ideas but at least debate them before you just say "nah killer buff/nerf or survivor buff/nerf"

Well yes but actually no. You can use the Hatch at your side. Just search the door and don't go for the hatch.

This is my gamestyle and works in almost every match. Just let him close the hatch and start opening the door until the first light. Wait for him to appear and boom, open it when he leaves (if he hasn't whispers).

I get what you're saying but just run noed as a perk if you want it so bad? Lol

Having all survivors exposed at the end of the game basically negates some killer powers Like Ghostface Myers, Hillbilly to a extent and The Oni, Leatherface or any killer that has a insta down power. Giving some killer with already high mobility a speed buff would increase lethality. Having a almost guaranteed 3k-4K every game isn’t fun. 2k and 2 escapes is ideal but not all the time. A lot killer mains don’t have a hard time getting 4K’s if they are good. Just giving the survivors the exposed status effect will just make it worse and easier for the killer. Just think about the state of the game if NOED is a regular, also having a Guaranteed NOED at the end of the game will encourage focus behavior by the killer by face camping and tunneling, because they know that the survivor they are chasing will die, and worse case scenario this just makes end game saves almost impossible.

Finding The hatch is not a free win. You still have to survive long enough and beat the faster killer to it. Who could have any number on one hit downs to add to the speed they have.

I think hatches are a non-issue. Especially with other things that need work in the game along with its never ending supply of bugs and glitches.

A billion second chances?

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@PerkyPerky

I do. 4,000 hours here, how long have you played?

I’m guessing long enough to complain about a disgusting 4% chance at escaping. Wow.