Killer mains, do not complain about things that YOU cause

Agree with everything except that tbaggers are rare. More like half of all normal games, and all of the games where they escape.

It is their team. If someone gets a penalty in hockey, why would you make the other team have a disadvantage?

It's also funny that before i've even left the hook after 2 seconds, one unhooks the other, rinse and repeat. BT on the first, then DS on the other, then get called a camper / tunneler when you run out of second chances and hit the ground. If you're gonna be bold. at least accept the consequences for your stupid play.

When i get tired of being spammed with mori i just use key. Easy life.

Killers tunnel and camp because survivors juke, tbag, flashlight and body block. Vicious circle of dbd

That's why you always gotta mori the key user first 😂

This post is asking for entitled killer mains to speak up 🤣

Yeah no, this literally tells me that you straight up face camped in the basement the whole game and then got salty when they outplayed you and DS’d you. You deserved to get DS’d 100%.

I don't tunnel or camp unless somebody crosses me (like obviously having DS and trying to get me to chase them and then hopping into a locker.) Yet still survivors will constantly pull dickhead maneuvers in my games. Not all of them, but it's very very often since so many survivors run those perks. It's almost every single game. I don't even like to be that dramatic person that says "EVERY SINGLE TIME BLAH BLAH" or anything, but it is quite literally almost every single game I play killer that I get a survivor trying to pull some scumbag play with a second chance perk (DS in a locker/Unbreakable into a pallet stun/etc.) So tell me, why do they use those perks in that way even when I don't intentionally play like a jerk? I'm not too sure it has anything to do with "countering" a playstyle they can visibly see they aren't going up against. Pretty sure it has more to do with the fact that people just love to run OP things, like Unbreakable+DS, the classic "smol PP" build. Or, the killer equivalent, mori anybody they can off first hook + NOED.

It's just kinda illogical to title this post "killer mains, do not complain about things that you cause." I could just as easily point the finger at survivors and say "survivors you cause killers to play like this because of your gen rushing and abusing god loops" or something. That doesn't make it any more or less the survivors' fault. It's just individually up to each player how they're going to play. Personally, I don't run "OP" things usually. I try to avoid NOED and DS primarily because everybody hates those, but they just don't really interest me anyway because I like other perks a little better.

That being said though, if we're going to be pointing fingers and placing blame here, then I gotta say that even though by default I play killer decently to the survivors (not being a jerk) I won't hesitate to pull a complete 180 if somebody does try to pull that crap on me. If somebody wants to act like they're invulnerable in front of me because of their perk, I'll show them exactly how they aren't. At that point, it will be their fault for bringing the camping and tunneling upon themselves. Then I can say "survivor mains, do not complain about things that you cause." :)

as far as I know, those perks are ran mostly because of how abusable/powerful they are. let's go over those, shall we?

DS: 60 seconds of basically invincibility. a survivor shouldn't be able to complete a gen because they were allowed to get off a killers shoulder

DH: I don't have too many problems with it, though it does reward being (essentially) caught in a chase

Adrenaline: free health state that they don't have to earn. if it only activated if you completed at least one gens worth that game I'd be fine with it

BT: survivor gets hooked, they get unhooked in front of the killer, they get rewarded for their teammates poor actions.

Unbreakable: I have no issues, but the obvious synergy with DS is an issue

OoO: the survivor should not be able to see the killer at almost all times and have the ability to tell their team if they use comms.

did I miss any?

Everbody complains about the DS perk and tunneling doesn't give a fair chance of escaping it doesn't make the game fun the only reason I've been using DS is because 99% of the games I play the killer is a tunneler so yea..

What?!? If your with high rank survivors you should be a hight rank killer people are matched with there ranks so you should be good enough not to camp I myself as a rank 1 survivor have played against killers that were just as good and was able to kill all survivors no camping or tunneling so also I play killer sometimes I'm rank 18 killer cause I don't play it alot bit I can still kill all survivors without camping or tunneling and I don't use so called clutch perks soo

Ah, the tired and mythical "gen rushing" excuse. For the last time . . . there is no such thing as gen rushing! You do not need to do totems, chests, heal, or even unhook to power the exit gates. You have to do gens and 5 of them at that. If they get done "too fast", it is because you are playing a killer that is weak or you engaged in a chase too long or you need to up your skills. There are plenty of killers and builds that are powerful enough to keep gens from getting done and there are wealth of slowdown perks. You can even combine slowdown perks or addons to increase the effectiveness.

If a team of survivors finishes 5 gens, it's because that's how the game is designed. It's not "gen rushing."

And don't reply with "well then I have to camp or tunnel." You do NOT. There are plenty of killers who get 4Ks, 3Ks, etc. without doing either of those things. They are NOT required to complete your objectives.

Enough already.

It's not the fault of the killers if the meta is a certain way. Instead of wearing the king's pajamas and expecting killers to adhere to your guidelines instead of the game's, give an actual productive suggestion.

I.... I REALLY hope you're trolling. Tunneling and Camping thrive BECAUSE of these perks, not in spite of them. Your bias is obvious, but I'll still at least try to explain.

In the case of DS, the original form was HEAVILY abused, so much so that killers began dribbling to avoid it because EVERY Survivor ran it, and it NEVER RAN OUT. That is to say, it was usable every time you got downed. To avoid the hassle, camping became worse in the mid to upper ranks specifically to avoid having to down someone with the perk more than once to avoid the hassle. Tunneling was then made far more common to try and weed out those Survivors that were confirms to be running DS, ostensibly making the match that much easier for the killer.

Borrow time falls into that same problematic area, for the same reasons. The The difference being that either you tunnel them until you hit them twice to down them and get them back on a hook still having to fight DS once you have, but also trying to protect each survivor that you've hooked from being rescued by someone with borrowed time to prevent this whole scenario in the first place. The whole thing wastes the killers time while the rest of the team is working gens.

Especially when you have an SWF team that's on comms with two or more people running borrowed time, and the whole team running decisive strike, That's cause for anyone to want to complain because it's obnoxious to try and go up against.

Until the devs adjust generator times to slow things down, or add an appropriately lengthy second objective outside of totems You're not likely to see anyone stop complaining about the overuse of these perks. That's just reality.

Killers absolutely can win without tunnelling, slugging & proxy camping. It’s on very RARE occasion I slug and that’s due to survivors swarming around the downed survivor with flashlights or some unbeknown reason.

If you want to play like that - fine - but don’t make excuses and act like you have to play a certain way at a certain rank, because you don’t.

This discussion is very open minded and I like it. Of course its up to community members and the people who play to take a note of this or just do whatever they want. I usually avoid the negative threads, but I felt curious about this one. Hopefully this post can reach out to those that understand that this game is not in a healthy state (no offense but the mmr is quite devastating).

OMG IKR

I got called a tunneler after deliberately going out of my way to stay as far as possible from the hooked survivor and then they ran right into me on the other side of the map and so I downed them again.

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We use all the perks like NOED, Insidious, Enduring+spirit fury, blood warden, Franklin's, lightborn, unrelenting, STBL, death bound, BBQ, iron grasp, sloppy butcher, bloodhound, forced penance,overcharge, monitor, nurses, thanatophobia, ruin, devour, dying light, Huntress lullaby, remember me, iron maiden, MYC, surveillance, retribution, and whatever else because they work. We tunnel, camp, and slug because it works. You guys have self care, adrenaline, hope, dead hard, sprint burst, deliverance, distortion, AMN, and all that for a good reason to. This game is balanced. For every NOED, there is Hope. For every Hex, there is small game. For every camper, there is deliverance. For every tunneler, there is Decisive. Own up to the fact that you aren't the best at the game.YOU survivor mains complain. Not us killers doing our job of KILLING...

Why were you back in the basement if you weren't camping or tunneling? There's other survivors to go get, ds did its job and so did bt 😉