Noed should be disabled after 50hrs

I mean, it takes no skill but how simple it is really depends on the map. There’s no excuse for not doing totems on an Autohaven map but good luck finding all five on Lerys unless you bring a totem hunting perk. And between all the other perks I need to run to counter things (just run Iron Will, just run DS, just run Kindred, and on and on...) that’s not really a viable option most of the time.

So should we also disable DS and Adrenaline after 50 hours? Those both reward a survivor for mistakes. No, because it's the players choice to use the perks they unlocked. Nobody has the right to tell anyone what to and not to use in their game. If you're so bothered by NOED, maybe try doing those white skulls that sometimes glow around the map maybe? Maybe try letting go of the Gen sometime and do one of those mystical bones?

It's amazing how some survivors constantly complain about NOED, yet when I run Haunted Grounds or Devour Hope and get one or two instant downs out of them mid-game I never get these complaints after the match. Yet NOED is really just an Exposed condition perk like Haunted Grounds or Devour Hope that happens to trigger at the very end of the match instead of in the middle of it. If anything Haunted Grounds in fact is probably better than NOED since the downs you get from it happen earlier in the match so have a better chance of building momentum to snowball into keeping the gens from being completed at all.

Also this notion that if the gens are done the killer is "bad" is nonsense. The game is designed to be balanced around 2 kills per game with exactly 2 kills more or less being a draw. Which means that you should expect probably 60-70% of games between equally matched opponents to have between 0-2 kills (i.e. losses and draws), all of which involve the exits being open and the gens all being done. Therefore the post-gen completion phase that NOED uses is not a sign of a "bad killer", it's a normal part of the game that even good killers are going to experience all the time against equally good survivors even when they play well.

And what's the counter to whispers? Tinkerer? Bitter Murmur? Why is NOED the one perk which absolutely must require "skill" to counter?

also it's ironic because knowing where totems spawn is definitely a skill, one that separates a good survivor from a great one

"Edit: I've never heard of anyone who thinks that because a survivor found more totems than someone else, that the former survivor is better than the latter (lol?)."

Well now you've heard of one. If someone can only find 1 totem, and the other person can find all 5 - that 2nd person is better. Call it knowledge, skill, whatever you want. If you don't have the tiles and locations memorized, you're simply not as good as someone who has. If it's the RNG nature of it, every hex totem must grind your gears. They're RNG and if taken out early in the game there's no coming back. With NOED it has no impact on the most important part of the match, opposite of hex totems.

If you're convinced finding 5 totems is 'pure luck' then there's nothing else to say - you just need to learn the totem locations.

Complaining about a perk which i do agree compensates bad plays yet no saying anything about how ds, unbreakable, dead hard play the same roll and are in fact way more powerful. I don't know man. Killer getting kills that didn't deserve is frustrating, now bear with me and imagine how killers feel when these mentioned perks come into play saving survivors after they commit mistake after mistake.

Not to mention every game with at least decent players won't have a single totem by the minute all gens are done, specially for their spawn locations (they spawn right next to bloody survivors main objective more often than not, just funny). There is a reason why not a single totem perk is meta at top level, they don't last 20 seconds more so if facing a team in coms.

I know the "just do bones" idea comes up a lot, but since noed is so goddamn powerful, I think it should be a lit totem throughout the match. Not only will this make it more fair on survivors who have managed to do all 5 gens, it also gives a massive incentive to cleanse totems, making haunted grounds an even better perk. Another possible idea would be that the killer has to have a certain amount of chase points and a few hooks for it to activate. If the killer hasn't hooked anyone in the trial, then why do they get a free kill or two with noed? They havent earned it. However, if they have two or three hooks already then maybe they are worthy of a few kills and noed becomes active at the end of the game. Its the most annoying thing when you run a killer for 3 gens then finish the last few gens without the killer getting a single hook just for noed to pop and I get facecamped for their bloodpoints, despite me fully earning those escape points. Its straight up robbery, something needs to change. Noed is worse than moris imo, yeah the killer is playing the game with one less perk but they could get kills running only noed, it doesnt matter what else they run. Ik that mod said its balanced but nah thats just not true. They are running with one less perk but in the end that last perk appears and just ends the game needing 0 skill.

Also im fully aware that there are survivor perks like unbreakable and ds that just need to be changed. I play both killer and survivor so im not just being entitled here, but this is a post about noed, not ds.

honestly not sure who im referring to lmao. I spend most of my time at rank 1 survivor, they are still a problem a lot of the time. And I dont like cleansing all the totems, they are a pain to find and noed can have 5 totems while all other hex's get one. maps like lerys getting all 5 totems could add a good 10 mins onto your game. Maybe even if the totem for noed wasnt lit, it is still set to one totem, so if it is cleansed and 4 other totems remain, it doesnt activate. the survivors would have no idea if they cleansed it or not but it would add an element of luck for the survivors rather than just a fat ######### you from the killer. Sometimes, getting all 5 totems is easy, but usually thats just not possible. Not to mention you have to give your location away 5 times in one game to avoid getting insta downed... hardly seems fair.

Yes, if it GLOWS. IT GOES.

No but really... If y'all HATE neod so much it not that hard to break totems, It the easiest counter to noed

A few thing here. Noed is very rare. At least comparitively speaking with DS, in my experience. But that aside.

You dont know if that was a pc Billy, the crossplay icon is for everything besides your platform.

Ds wouldnt have helped you there at all, you would need to be unhooked so thats not gonna help.

And slowing killers down while they chase would kill the game. I wouldnt mind removing bloodlust but adding the opposite of bloodlust ######### that.

Are you aware how quick some games can go? Don't you think totems were meant in first place to slow the game a little bit? And they actually failed. Once again, really good teams have 0 problem managing totem perks. It only gets uphill for people that are not that good, but then again, it is a matter of skill, not balance

First of all, why did you use that terrible story in regards to ds if you knew it didnt matter at all in that scenario? That makes 0 sense.

The crossplay symbol have been a "globe" way before crossplay came to everyone. We used to have it for Windows store when playing from steam, and vice versa. If you think this is only benefitting the pc community. Then turn it off. Its an option not forced upon you. Turn off crossplay if you think it only benefits the pc community.

And yes you can look up steam profiles/xbox live and probably playstation profiles. But that doesnt mean that the devs are trying to hide it. If they were trying to hide it they could have put nothing up there and not tell you anything.

And I never said Noed was rare. I was saying it was rare compared to DS. But even without Noed is still pretty uncommon. I stumble upon a noed game every 10 matches or so. Which is why I said "in my experience".