New killer wont have counterplay.

slinger can get more downs has no terror raduis and has better chase

Lol ok sure..total logic

The only people who say this are bad survivors lol

I usually run reload perks on him, so i get 4-6/10 on spearing survivors twice in a row successfully, but I see a lot of people going with the reeling and TR addons on him

I just want them to un-cuck killers like Legion, who clearly got left in teh dust, I imagine, because the devs are afraid to go back and touch him now that he isn't completely useless, or completely broken. His stun duration after coming out of his dash is ridiculous for what the dash is. He can't down someone by stabbing them a second time, he can't reach other survivors he reveals if they are further away, his speed is okay, but compared to other killers, he seems slower, and if he misses even once with his ability, he goes into the stun. Literally no way to avoid it. He even has add-ons that are literally useless to him, because they've changed him and not updated or changed the add-ons. Compared to killers like Oni, he's trash. Oni gets his speed but with a hit of coke, and it's a one shot deal. He also can track people based on the blood orbs, and yes, people have found ways to literally spam his ability. It's a little bit harder to control, but what really is the difference between vaulting a pallet and insta-smashing it? At least with the later, the pallet is gone. Other killers like Bubba and Billy get the insta-downs, and while billy has to wait maybe for 3 seconds to spam his chainsaw and take a roadtrip across the map on top of it, Bubba now sprints at people, and if he hits them, all his charges instantly refresh.

I won't go too far into it, but he point is that killers like Legion need a complete overhaul, and the devs need to stop being so scared to actually do it. I too enjoy the aspect of new killers, but not at the risk of everyone else being left in the dust, because they pretty much add a new bar every time they release one. Each new killer seems to be wildly better than the rest. I'm not sure if it's a sales pitch or what, but it seems to be the case. Instant downs, teleports, instant hooks, built-in moris. And each new one seems to get 2 of the above. Pyramid Head's carve is still wildly broken (no, not OP, just bugged to hell and back). It loves to not show up in places, and I still get randomly afflicted when I'm 20 seconds into a generator, so he doesn't even have to use it to win the random lottery in afflicting someone. The game seems to just do it for him. Doctor has way too much going on with his snap ability, but no lack of speed to compensate. The only way to really counter him is to gen-rush, but that's a nono in the eyes of killer mains, where you'll clearly see forums demanding nerfs to survivor perks, increased time to complete gens, etc.

All I want is for them to step up and fix their game, but as I pointed out some time in the past, it appears that they've rushed so far ahead that touching any of the bugs that have been in the game since launch would actually break the entire game's code and we'd have nothing because the game wouldn't function anymore. So I feel like they're simply rushing to put out new shinies in hopes that it will shut people up about the bugs for a bit. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm so used to people prioritizing profits over actually making sure the product works, and it's usually goes well for them until players issue an ultimatum and force them to fix the issues. There's no reason why this far into the game that we have so many simple errors, like clipping, movement bugs, invisible walls, busted hills, etc. They should really forgo releasing new killers and adding more complexity into the game's coding and all, and fix the basic stuff first. They are pushing all these ambitious updates and things, but they still have basic bugs since launch.

The killer interaction is the only fun part about survivor. If a good PH or Deathslinger get into a 1v1 situation with you then you cant really counter them and if you're across the map holding M1, is that really fun? Its not usually about winning the game, its about how fun the interaction is. This is also why people hate Legion and Spirit.

If you strafe he gains distance rapidly and M1s you. If you hold W you'll at least make him shoot you in the back and have to reload before he can shoot you again, but you're also giving him free deep wounds, and it sucks to chase through those VFX if he doesn't drop chase.

His TR is 16m with M&A, his chain is 18m, and you're often not going to know which direction he's coming from when the TR starts up. It's even worse because his TR is one of the garbage new ones that sort of spins up slowly and it's hard to gauge distance from. What this means is that he's going to be starting chases from very close to you most of the time. Once he's close there's not much you can do to make him lose sight of you unless he's bad. If you dodge, he'll walk up and M1 you. If you don't dodge he'll shoot you, or try to bait a dodge by ADSing for a fraction of a second to gain distance.

Sure, if you're playing on Blood Lodge, by all means, just see him from 40m and hold W in the opposite direction and try to hide. That's not how it usually works though.

I would make him a 115% movement speed / 32m TR killer and slightly lengthen his chain. To compensate for the added movement speed / longer chain and to add counterplay I'd massively increase his ADS time and increase the recovery time from missed shots. I'd also remove the ability to deep wound healthy survivors who break free from the chain; that would only apply to injured survivors that break free. That would remove his ability to zone by quickly aiming down sight and it would force him to be a lot more strategic about when to shoot. Lengthening the chain would raise the skill cap for him too and allow for some crazy trick shots.

Or both. Old legion proved it was possible

Putting others that disagree with you down is a sure fire way to get them to agree with you! Go you!

I disagree with the thought that Deathslinger has no counterplay. You literally break line of sight, or dodge. It's not that hard. Are there players out there that have fantastic aim? Sure, but they're rare. This week alone, I've faced maybe two that landed nearly every shot. It's like Nurse. Takes awhile to get the skill needed, but those that stick with it, deserve it.

As for PH, sure, I wouldn't mind him having another way to rid Torment. Mending, for instance, or putting a time limit on it, wouldn't be too much to ask. But to claim he has no counterplay is just. . . weird. Throw pallets a little earlier, fake the vault, take the bluff. Quite a few options here.

The new killer hasn't even been shown, yet. At the very least, let three minutes of footage drop before jumping on the bandwagon. I don't see threads about more 'swf bully perks' yet, so, show some patience?

You specifically said 'go away.' That isn't constructive, that isn't furthering conversation or debate, that's simply 'You see things from the other side, I don't like that, *go away*'

Yes, I favor killer more than survivor, it's the more fun of the two from my perspective, but I do play both sides. On a mostly survivor only run at the moment. So I like to think I have a more objective view. I can land shots as Deathslinger and PH, I can also dodge shots from both. I have good and bad games for both sides.

I, nor anybody else, NEEDS to prove to you their experience. That's theirs, mine, and yours alone. Generally, people understand where somebody is coming from. '1v1 me!,' again, comes off as weird in a 4v1 game. As somebody else said, that's CoD area, and other similar shooters/fighters.

Again, I admit I'm killer favored, but I do experience things on a survivor bases. Simply crying that somebody is 'sided' in one area or another should not negate their experience. I have read, and still read, your comments. I disagree with some, wary of others. Where you think I'm 'twisting/putting words in your mouth' isn't clicking in my head.