Mori Rework tentative.

Not bad, for two hook moris there would need to be an incentive to want to run them at all, because there's not really any benefit otherwise. I.e. you save time that would be spent carrying the survivor to their death hook but some of the animations are also pretty long. I think they'd only be used for dailies and otherwise just bloodweb clutter

One way could be moriing survivors gives a load more bloodpoints that can go over the cap. Or challenges like mori X amount of survivors in a period of time to get a charm or something.

Best way to go about it IMO would be like this:

Make all the yellow and green Wreath offerings like this. And then just make moris count as hooks and worth more Bloodpoints than a regular sacrifice.

Mori offerings that can kill after a one-hook are OP (except Cypress, which sucks). The offerings should not be a threat IMO, not even against SWF. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Mori's shouldn't give a huge edge anyway in my opinion, they should be used simply for a cool animation.

A BP bonus would be nice.

Lol if by "valuable" you mean "game-breakingly OP", then sure, I'm on board. Even a green Mori is enough to 3-4k against a squad that's better than you. The best option against a Mori is actually to gen rush, not to stay off generators. If you're not rushing gens, you're going to lose a teammate to the Mori before you've made enough gen progress to have a chance to power the gates.

The other thing to keep in mind is that Moris are a massive outlier in strength because they're in the offerings slot, where most everything else is weak and has limited impact on the game. Most offerings are simple BPs, or maybe they'll slightly change hook density or thicken/lessen the mist. The best you can probably do outside of a Mori is choose a map that heavily favors survivor or killer, but even then the offering has no impact on the match once it starts. Meanwhile an Ebony Mori is the single strongest loadout element in the game, period. It's stronger than all other individual perks, all other individual add-ons, all other items, etc. Hell, a killer with an empty loadout except for an Ebony Mori would very likely outperform the same killer with a meta perk build, the best add-ons, and a BPs offering. Even keys, which are nowhere near as OP as Moris but which are often included in the same conversation, take up an item slot, not an offering slot. If survivors want to bring a key, that means they have to not bring items that are more useful during the match, like medkits and flashlights. Meanwhile, killers can run Iridescent Head + Infantry Belt + Ebony Mori if they want. That is straight up broken.

I think the 1st and 3rd options are great suggestions. They still gives the killer a benefit as they can dodge second chance perks like DS by not picking up the survivor if they've been hooked twice, but it's not strong enough to have much of an impact on most matches. That'd put it more in line with other offerings. Maybe that Putrid Oak got you one last hook and netted you an extra kill, for example, but usually it's just a mild convenience. This would be in a similar tier of usefulness, which I think is ideal.

It hasn't broken "the game" but it does break most games it gets used in. If every game had an Ebony Mori, the game would be dead. The only thing it has going for it is that it's somewhat rare.

Mori fix: remove them

Yellow mori is basekit

This would make the DC for hatch discussions explode even more since now even the Mori animation would be more than often denied.

This change would make moris pointless. If you Mori instead of hook you get less bloodpoints and don't trigger hook perks like BBQ and Pop. It also encourages tunneling to counter DS and such. Here is how you fix moris:

• Make yellow Mori base kit. It's fun and changes nothing. If you are the last survivor and downed you are gonna die anyway.
• Make green and ebony Mori work off a token system. Every time a survivor is hooked you gain 1 token. Everytime a generator is completed you lose 1 token. Once you have 3 tokens you can spend them to Mori 1 survivor.
• Green Mori still allows 1 kill
• Ebony Mori allows 2 kills, but at the start of the trial, the generator furthest from the killer is automatically completed.
• Moris are no longer secret.

You fix keys in a similar way:

• Keys can no longer be found in chests.
• Keys only allow 1 survivor through then the hatch closes.
• The key now has an animation and timer for opening. 5-10 seconds.
• Once the hatch has been opened by a key it can't be opened again for 60 seconds.
• If a survivor dies on hook while carrying a key it is removed from the trial.

How would this show up in the stats? Do you just mean that BHVR would have noticed they're inflating kill rates and removed them? Kill rates were ~70% at red ranks as of the last stats drop, and I believe BHVR has stated that they treat a 2k average (50%) as a balanced result. Moris could be part of the reason the kill rate was so high, although we can't know how big the impact is without more data.

It's pretty intuitive that changing the 4k requirement from 12 hooks to 4 hooks + 4 downs would be an overwhelming advantage in a trial, though, especially when you consider that gen repairs slow way down after the first survivor dies.

What do you mean offerings don't have a big impact? There are offerings to pick maps, offerings which double your endgame score in a given category, offerings that make the hooks significantly farther apart, I don't think one kill one hook early is out of line with any of those.

The Red Mori is clearly overpowered though, multiple early kills is a bit too much.

I mean "impact" as in "impacts the events that occur within a match". Map offerings can tilt the field towards a survivor-sided or killer-sided map, but they do nothing to impact the game once it starts. Bloodpoints are great for leveling up, but they only indirectly help you win. Mist and hook density offerings only give you a small advantage. It's rare that a hook offering is the difference between making it to a hook and not making it to a hook; usually it'll just save you a few seconds of carry time over the match.

Killing a survivor early, like the green mori is now, is crazy strong, though. Once the first person gets hooked, the gameplay loop is approximately this: 1 person on the hook, 1 person going to save / healing the person on the hook, 1 person getting chased, and 1 person doing gens. Usually survivors get to keep that up for a lot of the game, with killers occasionally getting a quick second down and forcing both survivors off gens. The second survivors are down to three people, though, the killer is able to much more easily keep people off of gens. Hook one, find the next with BBQ/Thrilling/etc., chase and down, rinse and repeat. If they get an early Mori, which is easy if they want it, they pretty much need to let themselves get looped for a few gens in order to lose.

"Offerings give advantages, your "rework" is not an advantage, it's just making ebony moris useless (I kinda feel that you are making this post out of a ragequit)."

This is the exact reason I feel Moris need a nerf. Current offerings only give small advantages. OP's proposed Ebony Mori is a small advantage; you won't need to worry as much about DS late in the game and you will be better able to secure kills because of it. No more downing someone near an exit gate and having to pick them up and eat the DS so they don't crawl out.

The current Ebony Mori changes the win condition from 12 hooks to 4 hooks + 4 downs. That's the strongest single loadout element in the game. It's not nearly on the same tier as "moves hooks closer together" or "lessens the mist".

"Bloodpoints" don't indirectly help you win, they're literally the victory points on the endgame scoring screen. If you have the most points on that endgame score you won on points. A 100% bonus BP offering can be up to 4000 higher score at the end of the match which is 4/5 of the amount a survivor gets for escaping for comparison.

that what I do.

Just make the current Ivory Mori the new Ebony Mori. As for the current Ivory Mori nerf it so you can only do it on the obsession. As for the Cypress Mori just leave as is...