Corrupt & Pop, fair or unfair?

I mean most of this community just has a huge ego that doesn't match their delusions of how the game went. Played survivor vs a R1 Demogorgon today who got a total of 2 downs in a 9 minute match with myself looping him for almost 3 minutes of that alone without going down. I usually just type gg and move on but he started going off in chat to myself and the 2 other PC randoms (4th person being a console player) about "OP perks like Dead Hard, tryharding with brown medkits, people who can't loop but just gen rushing every killer to not being able to enjoy the game, etc etc" I asked how exactly we "gen rushed" him over a 9 minute match where he chased directly behind the survivor including vaulting through windows and applying no pressure to any objectives - also having his ruin stay up the entire match and never getting value from that on Ironworks. He of course called me a "moron entitled survivor main who only knows how to M1" though I was the one who was looping him most of the match.

Same thing comes up when I play killer hooking someone with BBQ - I purposely let the guys I see BEELINING for the hook get their rescue since I can see gens being worked on that I want to go Pop anyway. I'm fine with them rescuing and healing, no need to hover camp or face camp or come back to redown the easy down hook trade sometimes... I like treating survivors like bloodpoint produce... can't pick them too early you only get half the yield. This "should" be a healthy gameplay interaction - everyone gets to be chased fairly, everyone gets to play but you wouldn't know it from the amount of post chat vitrol I get in half the matches win or lose. It's funny enough to read but I wonder if small group of us are playing a completely different game from the majority

How are you guys able to make threads on this specific forum? It won't let me.

Why can they do literally nothing right?

After 2 mins you are playing with 3 perks. Not op

But to be fair , I don't think blight needs corrupt. he has the mobilty to patrol the 7 gens at start

yes, fair.

I’d say unfair, it’s something I refuse to use just like DS + Unbreakable.

It’s mainly on pop tbh, I think pop is just too impactful on the match and I wouldn’t be upset whatsoever if it were nerfed. When it’s stacked with other slowdown like this, it’s just stupid. Even if you hypothetically did something like reduce pop’s value by 10% per kick, and then made it so kicking a gen applied an automatic 5% regression, it’d be healthier for the game overall. Pop is just way too impactful on matches right now, to the point I only run it on lower tier killers and even then I feel bad and I’m pretty much trying to cut it out all together

If surge got the buff it deserves, and wasn’t only basic attack, I’d never run it

Also I will clarify I main killer, apparently only an entitled survivor main would want pop nerfed, so I feel the need to state this

Yeah I understand, and I'd like to re-clarify my point to be a bit clearer. I don't think PGTW is OP, it doesn't make the game unwinnable. The problem with it being too impactful is the difference between a killer running it and not running it, which is why until hex: undying was added, you saw PGTW more often than you saw old ruin. It was in basically any game. It just does too much compared to the basekit that if you really care about winning, you'd be stupid not to run it. I wouldn't even mind if you reduced pop by 5% to a 20% regression, and buffed basekit gen kick to 5%. Unlike my last comment, this wouldn't even be a pop nerf overall, this would just make it less impactful - I'm sure there's many killer players out there who consider pop mandatory and refuse to play without it, and that really shouldn't be a thing.

IMO genspeeds are perfectly fine, the killer's earlygame however is not fine. Hopefully an earlygame collapse would result in; less stacking slowdown, and perhaps be a good time for a slight pop nerf since 'genspeeds' presumably get a general buff in favour of the killer. With something like an earlygame collapse, pop being reduced to 15%, base kicks being 5% (so pop gets a small 5% overall nerf, it'll do an additional 15% ontop of the 5%) - I think the killer's perk diversity and the game could be in a much healthier state. Rn I think the perk metas are extremely stale and boring on both sides (second chance stack/slowdown stack).

Both are just bandaids for potential too quick gens after the Ruin change.

Both can be countered if you're on comms (wait out the Corrupt and know when to rush a gen vs. POP).

Both are strong vs. solo teams, but i still apriciate the preparation time to get my Inner Strenght, Chest, whatever.

I run Corrupt Intervention and Pop Goes the Weasel when climbing ranks. The game doesn't really play the same after the Ruin nerf--pallets also got drastically reduced, toolboxes, and Great skill checks got nerfed as well. While there's less things to slow down the survivors, there's less pallets to slow down the killer.

At the upper end, where survivors are significantly more bold to repair near you, and at all costs, you still need something to gain your advantage. You could always resort to the "3 Gen" strat, but I hate doing that as a killer. It's easy to setup by just waiting, and then you just patrol all three. Run Overcharge and Unnerving Presence, and you can basically shut them down and kill the survivors by attrition.

I prefer to actually go out and hunt, though, and I can't have pressure everywhere before I start rolling hooks and injuries.

Id say they're fair but I can definitely see why some might think they are overkill on stronger killers like spirit and nurse. With that said, it simply sounds like those survivors were just salty and looking for an excuse to why you beat them.

An easy fix I've found is that when making a new discussion click or tap on where it says new discussion, and this should bring the option of general discussion.

It's a very fair combination. I like how many people say that corrupt intervention is a gen slowdown perk when it really isn't. It's a map control perk that saves you time kind of like Save the Best for Last. It makes the map smaller and allows you to patrol less. It really is the only perk that counters bad map design for only 2 minutes.

Pop goes the weasel rewards killer for doing their objective and punishes survivors for their mistakes. It sees its greatest value when survivors get downed in multiple succession. It's mainly used on high mobility killers because you waste too much time walking up to a gen and kicking it as a low mobility killer.

What makes these two perks good together is that it helps with early and mid/late game. In terms of fairness, I really don't see the problem if you break it down like I did. Enduring/Spirit Fury/Bamboozle/Noed is a much more unfair combo because it rewards killers for survivors outplaying them.

Like having a good snowball to be met with an unbreakable, get hit with an unjustified ds then 3 people get adrenalined.

It's complete overkill in 99% of matches. I don't think it's unfair, but it's a whole lot of gen control you don't need if you shore up other areas of your game. I'm not saying you don't need any slowdown, but lengthening the game won't necessarily make you better. If you're finding that you're losing or struggling whenever you don't have Corrupt+Pop, there is a lot that you're doing wrong.