Tunneling isn't 'Skill'

Sometimes tunneling can win you the game if you can start a slugfest afterwards and build on the pressure , but notice I'm saying "they come back" a good killer doesn't camp and will be chasing a different survivor after a hook get the down if they can quick enough or waste a few pallets and go back to hook to start slugging when notification procs because you have 3 survivors under pressure that way that aren't on gens , the guy on hook, the guy unhooking and the guy you're chasing before you go back , I'll intentionally down the guy off hook sometimes just for my infectious to proc and tell me where the rest of them are, I'm there to kill not have a sleepover...

Some people don't realize that this is actually gaming sense, a skill that not that many have, I couldn't agree more with you.

I agree, and I feel like tunneling a lot of the time, especially against good survivors, is bad for the killer because they are spending all of their time one person, leaving the other survivors to do gens and totems generally uncontested.

Survivor's goal: escape /// Killer's goal: kill survivors

Survivor Objective: doing 5 Gen /// Killer Objective: hook survivors

Preach fam got tunneled by a ######### clown after spamming tonics

There's also soft tunneling. Tunneling a survivor but slugging them only, no re hooking. It allows them to be healed and it wastes another survivors time/Unbreakable usage.

What kind of insinuation is that? And what should be the counter to that? Loop bad? Also you can as well argue like "loop good and they leave you because there are easier targets to tunnel". Tunneling the best player in the team normally results in a loss. This post makes not really sense.

Another thing: I feel like you created a new post because the first one got so much attention. Because it also seems like you don't really noticed what has been posted on your first thread.

And just a rant about your points (even if many others have stated a lot of that already):

• never heard someone say "tunnel is a skill", and indeed tunnel is a strategy. you lose gen pressure early, but gain more gen pressure once the first person is dead. tunneling at the end is not really tunneling. Actually killing the one person is bad, you should just down them and try to get more survivors injured to keep the game running. Once your primary target is dead, the rest will just leave.
• it is also an insinuation that every killer wants at least a kill, there are enough people not caring about kills but about good chases, saying "gg, I beat up your ass but you all managed to escape anyway, well played"
• As said, tunneling is no skill, but not because "it's not unique to be able to hit the same person again". You indeed need skill if you manage to down someone 3 times. If you have no skill, you waste 5 gens on that person and he still escapes
• You are not necessarily a pro if you get a 4k with tunneling, but you at least did decent or had an inefficient i.e. easy team. Also the amount of skill in this scenario is not measured on the 4k, but on the gens left. Killing 4 people before a gen is done is pretty impressive, no matter which strategy you followed.
• If the unhooked person is the closest one to the killer, that's a survivor fail. If not, this has nothing to do with tunneling but with camping. And this is easier to punish from survivor side than tunneling.
• If a killer calls himself skillful, it is probably just a salty/ironic response to a "Tunneler!" kickoff in chat. But just guessing

To summarize, most of your points and argumentation pick out a specific scene or condition, ignoring the multiple factors or reasons that can lead to it. I actually don't even know what you want to say with this thread. Except that you don't want to hear "I'm skillful" from a killer.

I have never used a mori, yet have met multiple people bringing keys and using them. It happens on both ends and if I say anything about it, people act all smug... don't act like survivors are saints here, there are people on both that will bring what ever they want to 'win'.

The tunneling of a single person out of the game and no gens are being done, means that the survivors are doing something wrong and most likely handing their team mate on a silver platter to the killer. As you point out this is a TEAM game, if the team unhooks the poor survivor in the face of the killer without borrowed time, don't body block and take the protection hit, unhook and go hide instead of taking the heat off the person that just was bungling on the hook... it isn't the killers fault that the team is playing bad.

The goal of a killer is to murder and kill the survivors, making the game a 3v1 instead of a 4v1 is beneficial and if you are able to do that without losing all the generators and letting the other 3 escape... that is beneficial to the killers game. It baffles me that you complain about the braincells of a killer but don't realize that if a killer can tunnel 1 person out of the game and no gens are done that this would be a negative for the killer? Guess rushing your objective is only good for survivors right, because... hooking someone 3 times is the objective of the killer or do you do a gen for 1/5 of it, then move to the next, then to the next and the next and rotate till you have all 5 done?

There are enough gameplay elements that survivors do that has a sole purpose of ruining the gameplay of the killer, from constant flashlight saves to prevent hooks, body blocking at hooks to get the wiggle free, the tap the generator to stop the regression after a kick that takes 2 seconds, the 99% gate to avoid the collapse to be able to go for the save and spend no time at the gate for the get away and not to mention the tea bagging, clickers, etc.

It baffles me that survivors believe that killers don't deal with a ton of tactics, strategies and actions that have the soul purpose to disrupt their gameplay, make their life as difficult and frustrating as possible. Yet ooh way if the killer does stuff that disrupts their gameplay, joy and ease of play. Especially SWF tend to be super frustrating to play against due to their ability to communicate and maximize their disruptive nature to shut down the killers plays. You cannot kill a killer, but for sure as hell a team of survivors can shut down their gameplay... but that is just strategy right, playing efficient... such a double standard.

Lol I guess you get tunneled a lot. I'd recommend playing with people who don't perform unsafe unhooks. If I'm oni and your getting unhooked in my face, that's a free double down right there with my power and I take that opportunity every single time. Occasionally it will even get me my 2 hits in fast succession and ignore your borrowed time.

I hate getting tunneled as a survivor, it does suck. I often get killers who blatantly camp and then down me immediately, with team members that take me off hook in the worst ways. It's even worse now with console players. But it is what it is.

So what do I do? I avoid tunneling and camping when I'm killer to "pay it forward." That's my personal decision. But I will go out of my way to tunnel the bad survivors that are farming their teammates. That's my own little revenge *insert evil laughter here*. People are gonna do what they want to do and we just have to deal or move onto another game. People are going to get defensive and be toxic sometimes. Nothing I can do to change that. When I get a killer who doesn't erupt on me for looping, I appreciate it. And when I play against survivors that are chill in the chat and we can all have a laugh, even better. Just take some breaths and play how you want. Don't take life too seriously.

Unpopular opinion tunneling is a crap excuse for bad teamwork. How about punishing the killer slam them gens and if the killer sees you running to the hook and you hide behind your unhooked friend its not my job to make sure your teammates step up and act like actual teammates. This phrase is so often said it reached a point where its been so badly undermined no one takes it seriously. The killer dosen't owe you an opportunity it's not in his interest to play nice. Instead go after captain immersion for ditching you and leaving you to fend for yourself.

That's not strictly true, I feel like you haven't played much survivor and are just speaking from being a killer main. You get good at looping and no matter how good you are if a killer is focusing you they will eventually get you down unless they are pure #########, if you wasted enough of their time they sometimes get pissed off and either facecamp or proxy camp you because you lost them the game by playing well in which when you finally get unhooked your insta-tunneled off hook, slugged for 60 seconds then picked up and placed right back on it. At that point it's not a matter of how good you are because you get killed for being good

This is exactly right. A tunneling/camping Bubba for example has an easy time on rookies but will get only 1 or 2 kills against coordinated or expert teams.