Tunneling isn't 'Skill'

I totally agree on that one. Fighting all the bugs dead zones and all the crap that comes with dedicated servers your lucky if you get a 2k against red ranks survivors

Tunneling is not a skill though, it is a strategy which is a combination of different actions and decisions that have to be executed. A well executed plan does not make the plan a skill.

The chiseling of the material takes skill, to showcase the sculpture that holds within, but tunneling is not the chiseling element it is the sculpture. In your analogy.

There is a difference between a strategy and the execution of it. A plan is not skill, but successfully executing a plan requires skill. You want to be nitpicky about terms, then you need to understand what a strategy is: a plan of action designed to achieve a long-term or overall aim.

It is not the action itself and therefore cannot be done, it isn't what you do: what you do is chase, knock down, hook the same target multiple times in a row, equivalent to the chisel and hammer.

It isn't a strawman that I am stating, your argument of a strategy being a skill is not accurate terminology.

Uhm - I've had a lot of "survivors" saying that them gen rushing me is a skill.

When it's not, at all. You just have simple knowledge of map layouts and know your timing with loops ( if you actually interact with the killer - most don't now ) and juking.

But instead I get people wanting to play Hide and Seek & DARE to call it skill.

I can agree that tunneling isn't a skill; it's just an easy out when you're either mad or don't have good pressure.

I used to never tunnel, slug, or camp as killer; ever since the update with crossplay.. as an Xbox player - I have to do WHATEVER I can to even think about getting these try hard challenges done so I can get the last Tome charm.

Once I get it I'm mostly done with the game; I love the way it plays but people can just obliterate your day so fast it makes me want to cry.

The notion that tunneling is skillful or not is inaccurate, as it is a strategic tactic that you can choose to try and do or not. The skillful aspect is the decision making of when to do it and the actual execution of it.

Based on your choices and execution of the skillset that is required to do the plan of action will determine the successfulness of the tactic.

Running around with the killer while your team splits up and does generators is a tactic, but it isn't a skill... looping the killer, moving them away from your team mates, them hitting skill checks, getting to the generators quickly undetected etc.

Every plan needs a skillset and to be executed, that is where skill comes into play. The plan itself is just a plan.

You're right. It's not skill. A lot of killers feel forced to play that way, even me. But the difference between me and all those other tryhards is that I admit that it's scummy. They know it is but are proud to have played that way and act like it was pure skill.

"'Your the closest person', no s**t sherlock I just got off the hook near you"

its almost as if you shouldn't unhook when the killer is right there /s

If this happens the team messed up. So many people think its fine to unhook right in front of the killer because they're used to abusing certain perks. That mindset really needs to change.

If I take 2 steps away and you get unhooked and I have the choice between a 1 hook down injured survivor and a 0 hook down healthy one, the choice is obvious unless I'm worried about a perk, a pressing nearby gen, or something else.

The only "skill" tunneling can even possibly be tied to is decision making. Unfortunately tunneling 1-2 survivors is the optimal way to play killer, its a problem with the core game design. If you mean mechanical skill then no not really, you're still chasing and downing someone.

That's why I almost always run with unbreakable, borrowed time and Ds.

Tunneling and camping is crappy but it can be the best option. If a group seems a little eager to save people and you aren't doing well I think it's fine to exploit that for protection hits, hook trades, baiting a heal from dying. It sucks to be the one being used but it should be expected that the killer do whatever dirty trick they can to kill. It seems dirty but it's a psychological play sometimes. Tunnel camp slug with 5 gens left shouldn't happen but some people suck and others may need a feel good match after being wrecked by a squad.

...and rightfully so, cause who even wants to be killed!?

A killer’s primary objective is to... you guessed it.. kill you.

It seems silly for survivors to appease Killer’s demands (“don’t bring this, I won’t bring this” or “don’t do this, I won’t do this” etc) by not bringing these perks into matches when you look at the full spectrum of what a killer represents. Those tactics are deadly.

They want to hurt you, place you into a dying state, and then sacrifice your life to a foreign entity.

If killer players making these demands took a step back from the screen into reality for a minute to appreciate the outcome of a maniacal murderer with seemingly unstoppable force inside, standing before them in their peaceful gaming abode, who is prepared to do everything in its power to end their human lives, I’m sure they have a DS strategy somewhere buried within the back of their survival instinctive minds, fully at the ready, and wouldn’t hesitate to use it before allowing themselves to be brutally slaughtered.

(Since we’re all not put here on earth to routinely kill other humans in everyday life with knives and various weapons, that’s pretty much where that reality discussion ends)

...then they’d wanna go hang out with friends like Meg an Jeff over burgers an milkshakes whilst musicians like Kate play them a song, as grizzly fun buddies a la David an Jeff arm wrestle for $50 bucks at a nearby table... or Karaoke nite with pals resembling Dwight and Nea at an exciting joint in the vein of UH-Oh’s Pub & Grill!

...that’s much more fun than being slaughtered without being able to fight back... certainly rather do that😉😃

Oh look, a thread about people gatekeeping the survivor rulebook.

I've been playing this game for 4 years and I've in the top leaderboards for quite a few things, and I'll tunnel someone if I need the pressure. If survivors are doing everything they can to slam gens, and I'm not doing poorly except due to maybe a killer I'm playing or a map I'm on, then bet I'll try to get someone out.

If you specifically go out of your way each and every game to tunnel one person, guess what? BT exists. DS exists. You have all the tools you need to last longer, the exception being your own skill in looping and not being garbage at the game. But if you DO go out of your way to do that every game, then sure, I'd say you're a bad killer when you do it at 4-5 gens.

Now that I'm solidly into the red ranks, I don't see tunneling as often. But unfortunately it's super countered by just looping them. Also helps if you see someone getting tunneled, try to run with them and split track marks. You gotta practice to know when that works, but it does often work once you get the hang of it.

But no, tunneling really doesn't require any skill. Its more luck that you find the worst looper on their team, then knowledge to know how far you need to walk away to trick them into unhooking quickly. Also it's so boring. Even the most aggravating survivors get boring to chase and hook after the 2nd one...

But as you tunnel the rest of the team can do the gens. Then when all the gens get done you're gonna think that gen speeds are too fast. But hey, you still got that kill right?

You might tunnel a bad team one by one and 4K but a skilled team of reds or purples you’re not gonna tunnel one by one and 4K with just an m1 killer without an exposed status perk. I may be wrong there might be some god tier killers out there that can pull it off

Popular opinion, you are making excuses for being a bad killer

I’ve been in that position before. It’s where comms come in. Let team know to just bang gens and I’ll take the sacrifice. Poor bubba or who ever only one kill but most uncoordinated teams will come to rescue because it’s human nature to save someone in distress and we killers sometimes play on that but with some killers with instadowns you come or whole team comes to be billy bad ass most of the time survivors are gonna lose and killer now has possibly a 4K because killer baited three others with one hook. Survivors are just to damn altruistic sometimes. I’ve gladly died on hook for a three man escape and anyone on my team would do the same on a first down camping situation.