"if we let killers know they are versing swf, they will always quit" Do you see what is wrong here?

Regularly play with someone far less versed in the game than I. I make plays that wind up a waste because their inexperience hasn't taught them what to do. We aren't on comms. The other night a Nurse hooked a david in the midwich basement after I broke the nearest hook. My buddy goes does right after that near said broken hook. I missed the pallet save but baited a missed swing at me then one seemingly of frustration after a small pause. If he had struggled he could have gotten free but did not. I could have gotten David off and out sooner if i didn't watch to see if my buddy was struggling. SWF became a slight hindrance. Against my better judgement I'll risk my own butt to give my buddy a chance only to watch him creep around and not help the other people because idk. He'll work on the badham school basement gen while one other is hooked and the last is in a chase injured. Being in a group is far from always an advantage.

If I see people really trying to save their buddy when I'm killer I know I can take advantage of the increased desire to help if I'm being outplayed. I usually catch flak for it but I explain you guys were running the table and I saw how eager you were to help each other and I needed the leg up. I'm sorry it came to that but I tried playing nice at first. They seem to understand more often than not.

Whichever side you play I think it requires an adjustment in how you approach gaming them. I think one way to help solo queue players may be to let them see what perks the others are running. Perhaps solo queue could just get a lesser kindred where it won't show the killers location within the radius and then try to balance around that. Perhaps when a killer is facing a group and some solo queue make the more experienced of the group if there is a disparity more likely to be the obsession and give them a lesser rancor reveal without the exposed/mori at the end.

This game is a lot of fun and deserves to have these things thought about.

Again, I agree there are balance issues between swf and solos. The only thing I’m disagreeing with is this myth that the devs didn’t intend to put swf in the game and didn’t anticipate swfs using comms. They clearly did, they just probably still have more work to do balancing them.

I already posted above a very detailed dev reply where they specifically said “we always intended swfs to be in the game from the beginning and that they would play on comms and we would never consider being on comms to be cheating.”

Once again, i honestly don't have a horse in this race. Most of the time im flying solo, and when i do play in a team its in KYF, because god forbid even our non meta, non BMing butts ever DARE, to play together in ranked matches. Nope we get tarred with the same 'bully' brush even when we lose, and obviously deserve the abuse that comes our way.

However. For the last time and for those that appear to be hard of hearing / reading.

If a dev states that something is NOT cheating, it is NOT cheating no matter how you want to color it.

Your own personal rulebook does not contain actual rules. Nobody has to follow your rules and vice versa.

If you have a problem with SWF, fair enough, i can actually sympathize with the people who offer earnest and thoughtful changes that might help smooth things out. The people who actually put thought into how their proposed changes might effect both sides, instead of just doing their best to stick it to the other side.

But if you are sitting there INSISTING that people are cheating and that SWF was never intended to be a feature when proof of the opposite is shown time and time again, you're only adding to the problem that turns every attempt at a 'discussion' into an Us vs Them ######### slapping contest. And why on earth should the devs listen to anyone doing the forum equivalent of slapping both hands over their ears while screaming "LALALA IM NOT LISTENING" when the truth is laid out.

Once again, i have no invested interest in whether swf stays, goes, or is changed. But it amuses me that some people expect the devs to listen to them, when they can't even entertain the idea of listening to their fellow players.

I doesn't really matter what the devs are thinking because they implemented SWF so the game has an active playerbase. They know very well that they need SWF's. But the sad truth is that they don't even play their game enough to make good decisions, eventhough the game seems to be leading in a good direction now. I remembered when one of the devs played killer against four korean survivors, gettting bullied non stop with insta flashlights. He was pissed after that game and....surprise: they fixed flashlights. But they didn't fixed them before when people were saying they are OP and shouldn't exist. They only fixed it because one person was forced to play killer during a live stream. That scenario is a perfect example why you can't take the devs seriously when they say that the game is fine and fair. They don't play their own game in a way that gives them enough information to make balanced chances.

So...if they would have a realistic view about their game (which we all know by now, they don't), they would see that the game design isn't working with SWF. You don't even need to play DBD that often to come to this conclusion. And you know: I am pretty sure they know. They are not stupid. But they are too afraid to make the survivor side mad so they stay away from reworking the SWF system.

SWF is an implementation that doesn't harmonize with the core design of the game and is literally and overkill. Sure...killers have improved and have found ways to play as optimally as the could to win against these teams but it is not on the killer side if they win. It is on the survivors to make mistakes.

So...a tool that completely ignores certain game mechanics to give one side a massive advantage that has no counterplay to it, even if it is legally implemented, is cheating. No matter if the devs want it to be in the game or not. It is what it is.

I think you are the one assuming.

Actually I play with friends no comms😂 I just tell them to not get killed and don't meme me before match.

That's how most go some swf just wanna have fun but killers who complain about it just think everyone has it out for them and want to ruin their match.

So comms on Xbox and PlayStation have always been cheating even though it's built into the system?

Deleting SWF outside KYF would literally kill the game itself.

For all the people complaining about this just try and understand. Playing on coms is always gonna make your team do better rather then not using coms. That sharing of information and organisation can beat any killer if done right. On the other side of the coin. Yeah it's really fun playing with my mates I don't want it to be deleted but unlike everyone else crying at the idea of swfs being nerfed I get why it's a really good idea. Yeah not all swfs are awful to go against by that is such a minority that I think they should be nerfed regardless or give killers some sort of advantage when going against them. Yeah it would make it a little harder when in a swf but consider all the advantages you get from it, it's just making the game fairer. Of course everyone's entailed to their own opinion but god some of you have your heads buried in the sand.

Y'all act like the game is unbalanced towards you killers when survivors are SWF but no, the game is balanced around SWF, solo queue is just incredibly unbalanced for survivors and needs Comms or something because it's already an awful experience.

You keep saying they want to be able to do away with comms but can’t, but they literally play with comms themselves because they think it’s fun to do. It has nothing to do with it being “cheating they can’t enforce”, they fully expect and use comms to be in the game. They simply have unresolved balance issues between people who choose to use comms and people who don’t and, as they’ve said, they don’t want to force people to play the game in a manner the player doesn’t like. They’re not going to force players who like comms to not use them and they’re not going to force players who don’t like being on comms to listen to people who do use them.