the mindset of some killers need to change really.
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Aw. As I say in most of my post-game chats:
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I'm a killer main and I don't think the perks can't be run, I think the toxic bs that survivors have when running them needs to go. The perks themselves are whatever.
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the mindset of some survivors need to change
-4 man swf
-clicky clicky
-"don't run hex undying and ruin its so boring"
-"im going to run into the locker so the killer has to use my ds"
-"zzzzzzzzz that killer is so boring"
-"ez"
-"unbreakable and ds is fine"
-"nerf Freddy and doctor"
-"insta down perks are so broken" "OoO is fine"
"keys are balanced"
its the same thing
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Sounds like rage posting. No one is telling you not to run anything. No one cares that much. You're just crying bc you lost a match without meta perks apparently. But by all means keep blaming your interpretation of general killer mentality. You could also run whatever you want and enjoy the game instead.
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Imagine how the devs must feel, after people asked over and over that they should implement dedicated servers.
Then they get them aaaaaaand now complaints about how bad everything server related is.
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To be fair what was asked for and what we got aren't exactly comparable in terms of quality.
Same goes for breakable walls which when asked for were more for killer's to alter the maps in their favor with things like short cuts.
What we got was 50/50 of infinite loops enabling walls or walls that should never be broken by the killer which is a far cry from what was actually asked for.
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Why was it not comparable in terms of quality?
What did people expect, when the devs explained several times, that the game is NOT designed around dedicated servers but p2p?
You can´t strap wings to a submarine and then complain that it doesn´t fly as well as a plane.
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My mentality is simple - do whatever you want, unless it's BMing and don't blame for doing whatever I want.
Sure I can get salty when survivor gets carried by DS in EGC or key, but I'd never say "they are not allowed to use that", since they are using allowed things and it's dev's fault for allowing something like this.
However when some survivor starts perkshaming me or telling that "you're bad bc you need x,y and z to win" then I wouldn't forget to remind them of every single thing they brought or used to still get stomped despite the fact how strong these things are.
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dear lord does OP reveal themselves to be a survivor main and perhaps exclusive player, this entire post is pure irony really
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Yes i am a entitled, toxic survivor main.
just look at the ranks and you will see what side i play more. cheers
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It's not just the mindset of killer players that need to change it's everyone...
1) Toxicity- comes in all shapes and sizes but as players of this game we need to realize if and/or when to take a break (rather it be 5 minutes, a day, a week, a month or longer
2) Feedback- we can express ourselves to the devs (respectably) in a multitude of ways... our issues will be heard and taken into account for future changes (we have to give the devs time to gather everything and make the change they see fit)
3) Assumptions vs. Intent- this game was made around limited information... yea they added more ways to get it but... anyway us players can't express intent (in game) and can't assume one thing is happening
4) Player Mindset- is up to the individual as to how they play the game...
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I agree, Killers mains should change their mindset and they should also play Survivor at least to 30% of their games so they can have an open mind about whats ok and whats not and whats unbalanced and whats you are not that good of a Killer so dont expect to 4K people much better than you.
Also the whole "I switched to Survivor and is sooooo easy, I escape 100% at rank1 on Solo queue always" reeks of flat out lie.
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Use whatever the ######### you want and if the otherside compalin tell them to git gud
This goes both ways btw
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Then what on earth is up with that post of yours?
All >PLAYERS< complain (rightfully so) about the survivor meta, keys, mori's, tunneling, camping and that they should not be a thing.
What on earth is going on in that little head of yours to frame it like its one side that is the problem/complaining? seriously.
heck was it not the sammination joke that survivors were the one with a "killer rulebook" ?
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You are the survivor or the killer do what you want to do
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No survivor bad and killer is victim. That is the true killer main mindset.
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but wraith can turn invisible and survivors can't that op
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I don't care what Perks Survivors use; that is none of my business. Just because a few vocal whiners vent on this Forum doesn't mean most Killers are upset or even care what you choose to use. You do you.
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Nah I'm still tunneling lol
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So because a killer complains then that gives you the right to cry and blame him for the abusus you endured with all your other exboyfriends huh.... is that what your doing here
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I think people can use whatever they want? I personally don't use NOED or moris. I feel like they cheapen a win. The most I use is devour hope for instadowns and that's very rarely. Survivors can also use whatever they want. Doesn't mean I won't talk about how they're broken in some regards.
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Bro, preach.
I don't mind if teammates aren't great, hell we all potato sometimes, but when they actively sabotage the game by contributing nothing except the unsafest of unhooks and wearing out the grass in a far corner then it severely hampers the experience.
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Devour is a great perk for when I'm feeling spicy.
You rarely get more than one or two insta-downs before it's cleansed, but the moment where you insta-down your first survivor and all of your opponents soil themselves is pretty precious.
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I play killer a lot and I'm fine with survivors that bring in anything. If it's not a game exploit, it's fair game. I enjoy the challenge of going up against stronger survivors. Killers and survivors just gotta adapt. For example, I used to get flash lighted a lot (when I recently started) when picking someone up, so I eventually learned to look at a walk or scare them away before picking up a survivor. Basic stuff. Whatever the situation is, you just gotta adapt.
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Entitlement is rampant on both sides. Productive sweat is fine during regular matches. Some things are more boring than others coughRuinUndyingTinkerercough but it's silly to fault people for running good perks on either side.
If either side had better options for a more diverse meta, we'd be in a little better shape. But as it stands, survivors bring more health states and killers extend objective times because that's what is most effective and most other perks are memes by comparison if you're trying to win.
Poised MIGHT help me in a specific situation, but Adrenaline saves healing time and gives me a nasty speed burst. Why on earth would I take Poised?
Coulrophobia MIGHT be clutch with Sloppy. Or I can run Corrupt/Haunted/Devour/Ruin and wipe the team within 2 gens. Why on earth would I run Coulrophobia?
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I don't care what survivors use to be honest, as long as they aren't teabagging me or wasting my time standing at the gate to just taunt me then I'm dandy.
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I play both sides...I get annoyed at things that both sides do. I usually just start the next game and take my bad games as they come. Yes I still post on here out of frustration sometimes, but I don't know that all killers act the way you say they do.
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An enraged entitled survivor?... that doesnt happen lol you’re the first, congrats. Hopefully you’ll be the only one.... oh wait you mean they’re everywhere? WHAT?! Theres an entitled survivor rule book?....huh
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I play both sides and all I can add to this conversation is NOED can eat lemons.. There are FAR better perks to use than a totem that can be ripped..
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killers bad they are hiting me how cruel doctor op plz nerf 😭😭😭
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there are 4 times more survivors in this community, its obvious you see more survivor complains in this messy game
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Buddy, anyone can throw that arguement right back at you.
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This is EXACTLY what I was talking about in a previous comment, at the end of a match don't just wait for me to appear at the gate or just sit at the hatch, take your f**king W and leave so we don't waste each others time. I don't care about what perks you run if I kill you then I kill you, if you escape then have a cookie, feel a little proud, and go on to the next trial.
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Well I agree with most of your post but like don't lump it on the killers side. Take your half of the blame to. Both survivors and killer players can act exactly like this. Heck more survivors do purely because you get four survivors pair game. And there are more survivor players in general. So therefore logically there would be more toxic survivors. But either way it's crap on both sides. Stop. It.
Killers can use noed. Killers can use mori's. Okay?
Survivors can use ds and unbreakable they can use a key or mount ormond offerings. Or OoO.
Yeah these perks and offerings are not balanced but it's just a game. Your better suited directing your annoyance at the devs. Their the ones allowing this gameplay and quality of the game to slip. EVEN THOUGH they include four methods of obtaining money were literally fortnite of all games only has two being the battle pass and skins. AND arguably has better quality skins and more battle pass stuff then dbd. Yet they charge the same. Seriously like #########.
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If I can reach rank 1 survivor SOLOQ without using DS, Unbreakable, Dead Hard, etc...
Then the people who use those perks but still complain about losing because killers bring strong things
Have micro pp.
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Exactly. I mostly run meme perks because that's how I enjoy the game. Who cares about sweating my ass off. The only perk I insist on running is Windows of Opportunity so that I know which areas have no more pallets left because of potato teammates. Recently I've been doing the Small Game/Inner Strength/Soul Guard build because of the Ruin/Undying meta. Which is pretty nice because I can cleanse the hex totems pretty quickly and don't have to rely on teammates for healing.
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Part of the problem is the key/hatch system, but I would be frustrated too if the entire survivor team fumbles but one still escapes. Keep in mind that they can't really see who does how much on gens, so they don't really know if you earned that escape.
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The thing is that survivors dont get an excuse for what they run. Killers are egotistical and think survivors need to obey them. If survivors run something killers deem as unfair they start calling them sweaty and toxic.
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These kinds of generalisations don´t help anyone and contribute to the toxicity this community is plagued by. "Killers" means players since many people play both sides. Every argument complaining about Killers bringing x or Survivors bringing y boils down to exactly the same.
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X players handle things to the heart and feel entitled to things more than y players. The difference is how its handled.
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This is false. I play both and when I play Surv I play solo and I can win easily. Killer is much more difficult and stressful.
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I'm a survivor main and I have dozens of friends that play DBD. I am the only one that never uses DS because of two reasons. I thought it was a crutch (esp the original version) and I don't want killers dictate what perk I use.
Today I had a Spirit tunnel me off both first and 2nd hook. His "reason"? I'm not a Spirit main and wanted to adept. When I play survivor I get tunneled all the time, so that's how killers play.
Fact is that minimum 2/3 of the games I'll play in a day, me or a teammate of mine will get tunneled or hard camped. All my friends keep telling me to run DS and Unbreakable but I keep hoping against hope that killers will realize that the person they are chasing is not an AI, but another person trying to also have fun.
I don't care about perks although someone that uses NOED will probably get a noed = no respect from me in chat (also, thank you Hex: Undying for making more people do totems, but a totem counter by the gens should be implemented if it is to be an objective. Especially in solo Q)
I don't mind moris unless the killer will 1st hook tunnel mori the first person they down to get an mismatch.
The tunneling and hard camping imo is where most of the toxicity comes from. I get that there's survivors that can be toxic too, but let's be honest here. Teabagging in front of the killer will not make him depip. Getting tunneled in a game, though?
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Dude, you have to deal with all that and that is why there are 4 of you, and only 1 killer. Also, do not listen to people who complain about you using certain perks or tactics. Do what you think is needed for you to win, but please remember.. you are not supposed to always win. If you cannot deal with that, this is not the game for you (well, no multiplayer competitive game will ever be really).
To your actual list of complaints:
Potato teammates - you were there once, give them a break. it is not their fault the MM is broken and you can rank up pretty much by just being in a game as a survivor. Also, play a killer, then you do not have to worry about those potato teammates, in fact those will be yummi potato chips for you to eat. Then again, you will realize that those are a marginal minority of all survivors and will barely notice them :)
Dedicated servers - affect the killers just as much as they affect you. I cannot count the times survivors dodged hits that on my end sliced right through their heads. Or how many times I was lag frozen to death when picking up a survivor with network issues.
unsafe pallets - sure.. how about we talk about the god pellets and loops as well, eh?
insta downs, moris, strong killer perks - the survivors have those as well, you yourself listed the very things killers hate, so my suggestion: let's be more tolerant here and just accept that both sides have features we might prefer not to play against.
Your thread could very well be called: THE MINDSET OF SOME SURVIVORS NEED TO CHANGE REALLY. or even THE MINDSET OF SOME PLAYERS NEED TO CHANGE REALLY.
Peace man, play the way you like, just be nice to your fellow players, be those killers or survivors, gods or potatoes. :) as long as people are having fun and are being nice in general, the game will be just fine. Problems only start when entitlement and resulting toxicity kicks in and people start expecting others to play in a way that makes their lives easier, no matter the side they are on.
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It won't happen until the devs start pushing back on killers more. Unfortunately the good survivor mains left this game a long time ago so its just people like Tru3 who WHINES constantly about how 'easy' survivors' have it. Influencers like him is why the devs show too much cowardice to push back on the things you mention. The devs want Tru3 to keep playing.
Think back to the hex:ruin nerf and how it was 100% needed because it was an absolute trainwreck at low ranks. Despite that the subsequent nerd rage from people like Tru3 and this forum happened.
Until the devs push back, entitled killers will feel entitled, to everything you just mentioned.
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Oh my God this is so true. I never since crossplay experienced no skill red ranks for both sides in all my days on this game. It is astounding and just furthers why rank doesnt matter.
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This is true. I dont like to bring moris at all when playing killer. It's fun to see the cinematic view on both sides but I know it's annoying to be morid just in general for various reasons. I most likely would bring one if I were to be doing a challenge definitely so your right on that one. However, I rarely bring it for the heck of it cause I just want to and not for reasons as to be toxic or mad from a previous game or something like that. Moris are just irritating so I understand not to be hasty about them when playing killer.
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There are so many pointless, redundant threads on this Forum. I'm going to boil it down for you:
- There are no sides, not Killer and not Survivor. We are all playing the SAME game, and most of us play both roles.
- You do you. Bring whatever you want. Your builds are your own business.
- Nobody important really cares. Ignore the voices quacking in the dark on this Forum. They are the minority.
And here are the only three rules you should follow:
- Don't cheat, either by hacks or lag spikes.
- Don't disconnect; if you start a game, finish it.
- Be humble in victory and courteous in defeat.
Forums like this are a Fun House Mirror, the distort everything and create a false impression of who the community is and what they want. The vast MAJORITY of people who play this game don't post or read posts here. So nothing you read here (including my little rants) has any value whatsoever. Just play the game, have fun, and if you aren't able to do that... move on.
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A lot of killers victimize theirselves on here, makes me embarrassed to call myself a killer main. Yikes. I wish everyone played a fair amount of each side, I think a lot of arguments would be avoided.
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Buddy Im not saying Survivor mains shouldnt play Killer too to have an open mind like everyone else so dont try to debunk my argument with a baseless "whataboutthis" retort, this thread is about opinions on Killer mindset not Survivor mindset, if you want a thread about that create one and ill post an almost exact copy of my message but changing Killer for Survivor.
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