Why the "looping mindset" that survivor players have is detrimental and is slowly killing this game.

This is the most oblivious troll bait post and I love how everyone seems to be falling for it XD it's hilarious though tbh lmao, the copypasta potential is h u g e

If you can't win at least 50% of the time at red ranks with any killer, you're not playing the tiles correctly. Straight up. There isn't a single pallet in the game that can't be kicked or lead to a hit within 10 seconds. I'm admittedly an outlier, but I run Corrupt as my only slowdown on every killer and survivors haven't completed all the gens in the last 3 days of public lobbies. The only escapes have been hatch escapes. Clown, Legion, Nurse, Spirit, etc. So many killers focus on perks and not the fact that they're running every jungle gym and L/T wall the wrong way.

And yes it is a core (element) to loop, but it's just that. Stealth is an element as well regardless of any biased viewpoint, we should balance the two not praise one over the other or our biased viewpoints could mutilate this game.

I mean, that's when you know they're hiding or using something like Spine Chill. If gens aren't moving, you're succeeding at delaying.

In a way, I agree with OP. I like a game with many solutions. The online community for this game has a very narrow definition of what's success as both killer and survivor which I think I disagree greatly with. Then again, I never will not do I care about becoming a rank 1 survivor.

Ima Survivor main and I do see alot of times when Im playing Killer (Not being a tryhard) Some survivors use the Console lagg to Exploit certain loops areas and it’s disgusting. I now have a new outlook as to why some Killers Tunnel hard and Camp. Toxic 🤮

Is pointing out a fallacious assumption in someone's argument bullying now? Maybe instead, you should come up with an actual counter argument? Just because you're offended doesn't mean I'm wrong.

And for the record, you're the one who's telling me to leave and play another game. Based on your logic, you would be the unhelpful bully.

I'm a meghead which means I'm a bit of a dummy, so I never got the hang of looping. If I get in a chase, I prefer window vaults and throwing those sweet hunks of wood down to close the distance at least!!

Wish there was a way to fight back ? Escaping and running is getting boring as a survivor

It's hard because the looping aspect for survivors is the main pleasure for the role, whereas too much looping for the killer makes it incredibly frustrating.

I honestly think the problem is the map design and how there are far too many safe loops and pallets in the game. Some maps have up to ten safe loops and pallets back to back. The time it takes to chase a survivor in these loops makes all of the generators go by too quickly.

I mean some maps are SO big killers without a mobility tool take a legit half a generator to just walk from one end to the map, to the other.

It's difficult to apply pressure as Killer sometimes, no idea why you have to camp, tunnel or slug sometimes.

I'm going to say this i completely disagree with this idea of a game that your talking about because its not Dead by daylight.

I mean...no shame...but your argument is shaky at best.

I love hiding. It's the ultimate "I outwitted you, nyah nyah"...

But you want to take away the part of the game where you....run away from the giant murder monster. In favor of a game where survivors sit in one spot so you can get cool slow kills?

Disregarding that a good chase is the most exciting thing ever, lol, this sounds less like a thoughtful examination of the state of the game and more like proposing an idea that you hope someone repeats back, so it feels validating.

Either troll...or, maybe not as ahead of the curve as you think.

Now imagine this all without BL. That's a possibility soon, its being talked about from what I understand.

That might SOUND like fun on paper, but in practice... The games as killer where the entire team of survivors is just stealthing around so all you can do is keep patrolling the gens as you keep seeing them have more and more progress while being unable to find anyone is the worst. This is the reason things like the corn on farm maps, the bushes on dead dog salon and other aspects that make crouching blendettes disappear has so much hate. It also just makes it more likely camping will rise since killers would have a hard time finding more chases to get in to begin with. They wont wanna let go of the few survivors they DO find.

Any argument you may have had is buried under your cringy use of killers first names

This is the mindset people have that grinds my gears, especially when it comes to perks like DS. I personally love to mix it up and get niche perks to work, but it's hard when every killer always runs the meta because they're preparing for the worst every game.

But I hate the rare occasions I DO use DS when an overwhelming majority of my games are being spent getting tunneled out of games as fast as possible and then I get killers messaging me after a game is over, even if I died, to talk ######### about the fact that I even brought DS or God forbid I use it and manage to survive, they have a hissy fit saying I rely on crutch perks when I'm running something like DS, Any Means Necessary, fixated and deja vu (to prevent 3 gens in solo que) and they're running ######### like ruin, undying, noed and blood warden on a Ghostface.

Then you get the games where they brag about hard tunneling you to death because you looped them a little longer than they liked and you're like 'I mean what else was I supposed to do at that point' and they're like 'run DS'. You can't win, lol.

Killers typically get especially angry if you extend chases, like buddy you should've quit chasing me a long time ago. It's amazing how often killers don't know when to quit, then they turn your ability to loop and make them look stupid for not leaving you as a personal attack and it goes from trying to catch you to trying ONLY to catch you, ignoring everyone else despite them throwing themselves at them. If you can't catch someone either try to path unpredictably or cut the chase and go after a weaker link. Honestly it's always the killers that actually have no idea what they're doing and path retardedly that always end up getting me, but it's almost always funny cause I'm like WHAT WAS HE DOING??

Also if he were a formidable opponent he would see more stealth. When a good survivor is scared of a good killer, they will avoid chases for as long as possible.

(Ps4) I rarely see nurse and spirit, nowadays I even see more nurse than spirit and that says something. I mainly see Freddy, Deathslinger, Pig and Bubba. I like to see huntress, Oni and Blight currently. Billy's chase music terrifies me but his scream makes me laugh.

Looping is fun sometimes, they really need to shorten loops and spread tiles apart to make it fairer for a killer. Also survivors don't need to mindgame, only killers. Survivors can waste enough time if they loop without mindgames, while killers will lose if they don't.

My point still stands, I am a complete idiot lmao

So what else are they suppose to do? Die? If you have 2k+ hours you should know now that you probably shouldn't chase the guy who's looping you all game. Plenty of killers are viable in red ranks, it's just all on how you play them. I've wiped an entire team of sweats with Demo and Zanshin tactics ONLY before, but does that make Demo S++? Hell no. You have to learn how to capitalize on survivor mistakes as killer and punish the WHOLE TEAM, not just one survivor. The reason people play Spirit and Nurse is because they're the best killers. In every game there's a meta and acting like DBD is an exception due to bad balance is just dumb. Some people want to use the best ######### they have simply because they want to win. There's nothing wrong with it and if killer is too challenging for you, then maybe it's not the role you should play? I like killer gameplay because it's harder and more complex than survivor so winning is more rewarding. If killer were just the default "smack survivor, walk around loop and win" then it'd kill a lot of the fun.

That's your opinion personally I think looping has gotten stale and I think it's fun to be stealthy. The moment you dupe a killer completely is so satisfying.

As a killer even If i do mindgame its repetitive. The same thing at every loop. Once you've got it down That's kinda it. If the survivor makes no makes there's little I can do.

I agree that the current way stealth is promoted is a little boring for killers as a killer myself I feel the same. But if they where to put effort into making it more of an intriguing playsyle for both sides I think it could be cool.

Sorry but I and loads of other people are getting a little bored playing one game mode. Running the same loops, the same mind games with the sane meta.

If you don't want to chase them there needs to be a mechanism put in place to counter attacks from the killer. Otherwise all in hearing is "I can't win and that's not fair". I'm not red ranks, but I get caught in chase loops often. The fact that the killer moves faster than the survivor is more than enough.