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We need a "no DS, BT, Unbreakable, Adrenaline, OoO" weekend
Anyone else ? Seeing the Survivor mains screeching bloodlust was an old and unnecessary mechanic to help newbie killers to catch up and get on an equal footing due to unbalanced map designs, I feel like it's about time BHVR gathered some data about absence of these "second-chance" perks.
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how about they do a no perk weekend.
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yea but like seperate to see how each perk affects the meta, not all together because thats a bad measurement
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yeah but they want want all the killer equivlents turned off too: Noed, insidous, blood warden, sloppy, franklin's or even bbq
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They need to do a "no sprint burst as a reward for being hit" weekend, and see how many survivors aren't as good when they're no longer rewarded with an escape for a failure.
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I think they just added something interesting a new into the game without realizing. Removing Bloodlust as an Experiment which basically means they change the game in some way, and it makes everything more interesting.
Seeing a no Perk Weekend or a no Addon Weekend would actually be interesting, or anything for a Weekend.
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DS and BT have nothing to do with bloodlust.
It's simply going for someone else, why are you around the hook if you're procing BT?
Why are you going for this specific survivor who was unhooked if you're so phobic about DS? Go for someone else.
Stop proxy camping, stop camping, go for someone else and patrol gens.
The removal of those perks have nothing to do with Bloodlust, and I support Bloodlust as well.
So please, stop making it an Us vs. Them type of deal, because it isn't.
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ah yes, a free tunnel and camp ticket. I take 2 thank you very much, like I already main PH but whatever :)
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You know what a "no DS"-weekend would do? Killers would tunnel the ######### out of Survivors, meaning that it is quite clear that a Perk like that is needed.
We can also do a "Anti Slowdown"-Perk Weekend just to see who gets carried by slamming on 3-4 Slowdown Perks because pressuring Gens without is too difficult? :^)
But on a more serious note, I am always for reasonable tests like the Bloodlust removal. It is an outdated mechanic.
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Bloodlust is gonna stay anyway lol. Which's the largest amount of the playerbase? Low ranked killers and survivors. All killers would rather bloodlust staying, however the only wants that want it removed are low ranked survivors. High rank survivors don't mind bloodlust, so, since the part of the playerbase that wants it back is so big, it will remain.
Although I'd love to see Beast of Prey reworked soon. Such useless perk lol
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DS and BT work in the same way that bloodlust works.
"why are you around the hook?" When I have BT, what I do is I beeline to the survivor that's downed. Then I can stealth and immediately unhook while I'm in the killer's radius. This is the way BT can be abused.
When I'm unhooked with BT, I dive towards the killer to take the hit for the survivor that just unhooked me, that gives me enough time, with another crutch like dead hard, to get to anywhere in the map if the killer decides to tunnel me. This allows me to get to any of the plethora of strong tiles in the game.
There are ways to use DS and BT offensively, and the fact that you don't understand this shows your inexperience with the game.
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Variables must be isolated, so they wouls have to do it one perk at a time. The devs can already filter stats for specific situations. In your scenario, DS would be redundant to test, because they can already look at games with no obsession. The first guy gets tunneled to death and that's it.
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Sure!
It would only show how camping and tunneling are overpowered, and how they can be only countered by bringing these perks.
Then, the devs could make these perks even better, or even make some of them base kit to increase perk diversity. Seems fine to me.
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The fact that you think everyone plays like you shows how inexperienced YOU are with the game.
Not everyone uses BT and DS offensively, some people just want to live longer.
It's insurance for some, everyone has different playstyles, just because Bloodlust was removed doesn't mean everyone uses it, I'm a Nurse main and a Rank 1 survivor and I'm in full support of Bloodlust.
"When I'm unhooked with BT, I dive towards the killer to take the hit for the survivor that just unhooked me, that gives me enough time, with another crutch like dead hard"
Just because you do it, doesn't mean the next person does.
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I think we should remove survivors legs for a weekend. They'll have to wake around on their hands. And I mean this in addition to removing all the perks you mentioned.
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It's bad game design to implement perks that can be abused or exploited.
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They already know what would happen.
All they have to do is look up matches in which no survivor brought those perks.
Bloodlust is a BUILT-IN mechanic. Not a perk.
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There's no smart player that wants a no DS weekend. Anyone with a brain should never want this.
Imagine a camping killer knowing there's no DS or BT 😂 let's imagine what the results would be if there was only a no DS/BT weekend:
- Noticeably higher kill rate.
- The average time between being unhooked and hooked again will drastically drop.
- The amount of safe unhooks will drastically drop.
A no DS/BT weekend would just tell the devs "oh these perks need to stay in the game forever".
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combo you mentioned at least has an easy counter
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Singling perks out will just cause frustration and arguaments. Especially with the fact that you didn't include any killer perks. Better to do a no perk weeked. Better yet
If they have multiple different versions of reworks of perks in the pipeline why not do the TF2 beta thing and just let us play with them for a weekend or so and see which ones are too weak or too strong?
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Your brain is massive and I'm so jealous!! But great points, and I barely noticed a difference with BL as both a survivor and a killer. I have been playing for awhile as well and I got... intense lol and it's going fairly well. I would like BL back and I know that the 'small pp' build is hated but I don't get why. I have played against some amazing survivors who use it well and I appreciate them working hard and cooperating :)!
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That would be pretty cool to see how much perks carry. Genrush and tunneling is all you would get most likely though :(
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They just need to remove OoO altogether
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Thank you for your kind words. =]
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Hey, why not. Just to "test things out". :D
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They should do one surv and one killer perk disabled per weekend
And dont say BBQ should be disabled, it's just blood points by now
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"No DS/BT"
Tunnelers and campers:
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We know exactly what would happen if that occurred, and it would legitimately break the game to have the ability to counter camping and tunneling removed from survivors.
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bloodlust = DS, BT, UNBREAKABLE, ADRENALINE, OOO
poor quality bait
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I wouldn't mind to see no perk mode, people always cry which side has stronger perks. Remove all perks from both sides and we could see
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Insidious and blood warden are bad perks.
JUST DO BONES
Sloppy is meta? Hardly
Franklins is only good against keys really.
BBQ is only for bloodpoints, Thrilling is actually better and if it werent for the bloodpoints people wouldn't use BBQ.
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We need a perkless weekend and a weekend with an extra perk slot
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insidious is a notorious hook camping perk with no other uses and is hated for it
noed and blood warden are the most hated surprise perks
sloppy isnt meta? do you not play oni or any stealth killers?
franklins- you know what i feel like your missing the point of my post. what i am listing are the most hated killer perks in the game not the meta for the record insidous, blood warden and franklin's arent meta by anyone's standards but fraklins is pretty good on trap killers including pig
some killers do benefit greatly from bbq to the point of prefering it over other info perks mainly doctor and huntress but it is better than thrilling without bp bonuses
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This logic is so flawed
Kill rates are going to be lower while bloodlust is gone. So does that mean this no blood lust weekend is just gonna tell the devs that blood lust needs to be in the game forever? No, the killers that rely on it are just gonna have to adapt to not having it.
So maybe there would be higher kill rates because survivors can no longer rely on their seconds chance perks and would have to adapt to become better?
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Where did Bloodlust come into this conversation 😂 my logic isn't flawed lol
What I said was correct. If the only perks to counter campers/tunnellers are DS and BT then without both the killers should be free to tunnel and camp however they want.
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I would much rather them get rid of the sprint burst when you get hit by the killer for a weekend and see how that goes
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No OoO week-end to increase surviving sTaTs ? Why not !
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Bloodlust came into this conversation when I compared it to what you were saying
What you said was not correct. There are many more perks that help with camping and tunneling but DS and BT are the strongest. If we were to remove them for a week it would make people learn to not go for unsafe unhooks and not to get caught after getting unhooked. It would also make people use different perks like off the record or babysitter which would lead to more interesting games instead of survivors just hiding in lockers after they get unhooked to escape the killer with no effort or people do unsafe unhooks with no consequences.
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Oh I thought you maybe saw BT and misread it as BL lol
You really aren't listening. Take a moment and think. Imagine I'm camping a survivor on the hook or hard proxy camping. What can survivors do to save that survivor? Answer: Nothing.
I don't understand how I still need to explain this. It has nothing to do with getting unsafe unhooks, it's about getting any safe hooks at all.
BL has nothing to do with this. You still have other perks to help you in chases. Bamboozle in particular destroys a lot of god loops.
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"Screeching."
I mean that's a descriptive word, I suppose.
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So if they did that and it leads to some sort of data anomaly, how would they have any idea what actually caused it? For testing it makes far more sense to change as few variables as possible. Disabling a single perk (lets say DS for example) makes sense, disabling all perks makes more sense than disabling a specific selection even. As that's in some ways similar to disabling bloodlust - entirely eliminating a base mechanic for testing purposes.
I actually have nothing against just about any test weekend I can imagine right now as I think it's a cool idea, but gotta keep in mind what actually makes sense to do from a data-gathering testing perspective.
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What can survivors do to save that survivor? Answer: Nothing they should do gens and escape while they killer gets a 1k depips, gets hardly any bp, and learns that camping is not a good way to play and therefore they will change and no longer camp. And if you really want to save them work as a team with the other survivors to save them.
I don't get why people think every game the killer is gonna camp or tunnel if these perks are removed, newsflash they wont. And only bad killers need to tunnel or camp to get kills so if your losing against bad killers with crutch perks than maybe you should be working on bettering your gameplay.
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Nah, I preffer that people can use those perks and have a rework on DS immunity. Something like if another player is hooked the time is shaved off some percentage during match and if the gates are open the time is lost if another player is downed. Something much more worth testing.
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Someone please help me. I genuinely can't handle this anymore 😂 someone who has over 1000 hours on both sides please come and back me up here lol
How do you work as a team to save them lol you don't have BT. The killer just immediately hits them, downs them and hooks them within 10 seconds. As long as the killer stays close that person will die. Only a flashlight can save them but bring Lightborn and that's no problem.
If you've played this game long enough you'd understand the difference in a game where there is and isn't an obsession.
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It's called taking a hit
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I have pretty much equal time on both sides
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I do think they should do more experiments like this, but just outright removing all of the survivor perks at once would be insane.
We already know removing DS would promote tunnelling, when they could just change it to make it a true anti-tunnelling perk and not a free minute of invulnerability that it is now.
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I'll do that for the rest of 2020, u have my word
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it would be a festa for killers camping and getting rid of survivors ASAP after hook.
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So 900 each side? That's nice. Hopefully someone with over 1000 hours on each sides comes on soon lol
I can't wrap my head around it. How don't you see a weekend without both BT and DS being a bad idea?
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- stop being one of those people
- You obviously haven't been listening to what I've been saying at all lol
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how about they do a no game weekend?
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