Why Dev still not give killers some huge buff?

Bandaid Solution: Killers BP cap per game is 64k instead of the usual 32k.

Since they keep adding new perks to the game, they need to alleviate the grind anyways

Also, you're right op. I don't play survivor in the evenings anymore because the queue time is too long to be worth it. Killer is instant, but Survivor takes too long to bother with, especially when I'm tunneled/mori'd almost instantly after starting.

How does no one want to play Killer? I always find extremely fast queues as survivor and the longest I'll ever have to wait is a minute. There are some killers (Clown, Twins) that need buffs but killer as a whole doesn't need a "huge" buff. There is no evidence that no one wants to play killer, it just sounds like you want an excuse to get a massive buff for no reason.

Last night I played a few survivor games (Xbox, crossplay on), all of them took about 6-7 minutes or so to find, never less than 5. That's not terrible, but, not good. Eventually I get tired of the accumulating waste of time waiting for games and I switch to killer to cap off my night but I wanted one last Survivor game before switching and I waited - I am not kidding - 15 minutes for a game.

"There is no evidence?" Okay, I didn't exactly record it, but it exists, and it is a problem. I'd expect this with crossplay turned off but, even when turned on? It's true evidence of just how small the playerbase has become (which, given the game's age is understandable).

On Killer, I've never waited longer than about 15 seconds.

I'd give it a week, at least. Twins are an absolute mess right now. I doubt even the people that bought them will bother playing them until the hotfix is out.

The last chapter brought a meta-changing killer perk and this chapter reworked one of the most unfairly survivor-sided maps in the game. If you think the devs do nothing to improve killer players’ experience, you’re mistaken. They may not be going as fast as you would like, but they’re improving the game a bit at a time.

Does it matter? It’s the strongest perk they’ve released in a long time and it’s gone unchanged for months, even with tons of survivor complaints. If the devs released a strong survivor perk do you think the forum wouldn’t be filled with posts of “devs are survivor sided!!!!!”? Hell you could see it during the PTB with people screaming about the pallet perk.

Killer players need to stop acting like they’re actively victimised by Behaviour. The devs have made tons of killer-favoured changes this year alone.

The devs have a big economic incentive to make the game balanced, because tilting the balance results in poor experiences for that side, and that hurts player retention and queue times. Not every balance change has been perfect, of course, but I think the game has gotten steadily more balanced since it came out.

Kill rate is at ~68% at red ranks right now iirc. You can blame this on Moris, hook suicides, sandbagging, etc., but the fact of the matter is that killers are not underperforming right now. That's why they're not getting a massive buff.

Basically this.

You can win with every Killer at Rank 1 against the normal bunch of Survivors you get. Against good Survivors, you need a good Killer, but there is a decent seleciton currently.

When it comes to Buffs, some Killers need bigger Buffs (looking at Clown or Legion), other some minor Tweaks (like Trapper, Wraith, Myers or Plague, for example) and others are fine when it comes to their strength (aka while a Deathslinger is not really the pinnacle of gamedesign, he is more than solid to win at Red Ranks).

Killers as a whole don't need a huge buff. The game is in a relatively balanced state now that they balance the game pretty hard around SWF.

The reason a lot of people don't play killer is because of a lot of NPE in some survivor design, and major QOL issues for killers. The game is pretty balanced outside of scenarios like keys or BNPS (Yes, they are still an issue, just not as comically terrible as they used to be), and its actually possible for killers to be oppressive in some map-killer matchups. Its just that playing killer feels really bad, the ergonomics and gameplay loop can be very frustrating in a way that discourages its play.

The biggest example is the fact that killers are the first person role and yet have an endless amount of camera lock and visual interface screwery that REALLY can make killer downright nauseating to play. This is understood to be pretty bad by most modern game design texts, and is a huge reason Deathgarden 1.0 flopped hard.

Some things that could be explored to make killer more attractive without really buffing them, or by giving them 'hyper targeted' buffs that make them more powerful in very specific situations:

Yellow moris as basekit.

More control over the trial, such as giving killers two offering slots.

Giving more functionality and flair to non-hex perks that are mostly 'invisible power' so that killers feel like their perks are as 'razzle dazzle' as survivor perks. No one is excited to bring brutal strength to a game. At the very least give more feedback these are helping, such as with an alternate animation for 'fast breaks.'

Fewer camera lock scenarios. Let the killer look about a bit (and protect their flashlight hitbox) while vaulting, picking up, or breaking stuff.

A better surrender system so that once the game is over you can end it rather than having a full minute of survivor 'BM time.' (Both sides could honestly use this).

Removing the ability to 'pre-blind' killers on pickup (yes, this is a killer buff but I sincerely don't think insta rescues are good for the game and they are emotionally devistating even if they have counterplay and contribute a LOT to killer burnout, and survivors do not need this tool, it isn't like insta-rescues are important to survivor winrates its just a way to bully the killer when they SHOULD feel good about winning a chase).

Fixing grabs.

Giving old designs of killers more of the secondary functionality of more 'modern' killers, giving secondary powers to killers like wraith, trapper, ect to 'round out' their kit so they aren't just one note gimmicks.

Reworking keys so that they can't be used to force the killer to trigger end game collapse, or to let the entire team escape.

Creating more tools for killers to punish survivors for careless play, or otherwise forcing survivors to care that the killer is around despite having 'safety tools' around. For example, a 'stalking' perk to make survivors not super comfortable just standing still in front of the killer just because they aren't able to be hit. The killer shouldn't feel like survivors have 'safezones' they can endlessly camp just because some areas are in fact safe from hits.

More immediate feedback for excellent play. For example, making the first level of Devour Hope base kit to encourage killers to try to chase to snowball, rather than to camp to snowball. Giving a big BP event bonus for stopping an unsafe hook AND for starting a new chase while someone is hooked to make killers feel good for correctly playing the hook. Maybe make a new perk or rework rework monstrous shrine to work on all hooks and give killers bloodlust 1 on starting a chase with someone on the hook, or making hook progress go faster if your in a chase so the killer feels really rewarded for finding new chases quickly. The biggest problem with killer in my mind: When your doing well the game doesn't try to make you feel good about that at all. The only visceral 'you did good' reward is managing to down and kill survivors, the moment to moment play that makes a good killer good is totally obfuscated.

The biggest issue facing killers isn't how strong they are or their winrates, its how many scenarios take control away from the killer or how many situations survivors have no reason to actually be worried about a killer, and how often killers can just be shut down. The role isn't powerless, it FEELS powerless, which is in reality way worse but also requires more subtle fixes.

Would killer be stronger if base movement was 117 or something like that? Sure, the killer winrate would SPIKE HARD. Would that make killer FEEL better? No. Not really. You still would have pretty much everything about killer that is enraging, nauseating, frustrating, or humiliating in the game. The core issue is more scenarios that just don't feel good and don't serve the gameplay that well. Stuff like 'Hey if a survivor is behind a safe pallet they can just stare at you until you break it because you have no power in that scenario despite the survivor being right there' or 'The game is over and the gates are open, I literally cannot down anyone but the survivors refuse to leave and are actively hiding around the exit gates meaning I can't even just run them out but have to go for 4 more stupid searches into chases to end the match.'

Taking full time job player vs normal players as a metric really doesn't serve any comparable purpose.

Setting him against full squad (comms and/or no comms) of other streamers/players of his caliber would give a correct power comparison.

A full squad of streamers like him will probably never truly lose more than one member in a trial even against scummy killer.