If the devs are going to nerf DS-Unbreakable, i can guarantee it's going to be a shadow-nerf

Nah, killer mains aren't really able to process that, or at least the vast majority of the people who come onto these forums appear not to be. Why avoid the problem in the first place, when you can tunnel the same guy again (which you would probably be doing even without said perks) and then come whining over the forums? You've gotta have something to say to at least give the resemblance of a fair point, right? Some days ago someone literally posted videos of him playing Doctor, going into DS on purpose, then acting surprised and crying in here. Sure, when it happens during EGC it's another thing, but during the match it's not that big of a deal. Not in the slightest. Unless you are a weak killer, that is (and I mean player, not character).

Anyway, OP, I can't really see how the Mori nerf, which was a rightful one (though it should have been coupled with a key nerf, too) can be considered to be a shadow nerf. Shadow nerfs are nerfs that aren't announced, while the Mori change was specifically written in the patch notes.

The time limit on DS is not that long. You've got what, 50 seconds? And once it gets burned it's gone. One time use.Same with Unbreakable, you burn it, it's gone. This is, in fact, a pretty niche situation that killers have a tendency to force themselves into. I run DS and oftentimes, I never get a chance to use it because my hooks are too far apart. That's how it should be. So, if you're getting DSed, then maybe you're not trying to tunnel but the timer doesn't lie. Even in that case, it's a one time thing per match per survivor and not everyone runs DS.

Except that this isn't an equivalent situation. Undying's whole thing is interacting with other perks. Now that it's been changed, there are some strats that won't work, like having every totem being Haunted Ground. But, this also improves other perks by keeping tokens on Lullaby or Devour Hope. It's more dynamic now, and it was meant to be that way and now it does its job in a more balanced fashion. Comparing that to a set of perks that only function under specific circumstances that are entirely dependent on what the killer does is just wrong.

What the community says is important, up to a point. But people are always going to be biased towards what they want. Can't always get what you want. And I say this being someone who plays survivor and killer about the same amount.

If you did bother reading my last lines, I specifically said that the key nerf should have been a part of the same update that nerfed Moris, and that should suffice into making you understand how unbiased I try to be, since I tend to play both sides, even though much more killer than survivor, lately. IF you did bother, which you clearly didn't. I guess being a killer main comes with shouting, caps lock and not really reading what you are not interested into because it doesn't work for you. I never even mentioned Undying and Ruin once, and I guess nobody else really did, here. But fine, if you want to go for this ride, let's go. Though, be warned, you gotta be this tall to ride.

Undying and Ruin are pretty much the same thing that so many killers whine about, DS and UB. So yeah, I can't see why you can cry for those, but survivors cannot be doing the same for Undying + Ruin Well, there are many differences. Ruin makes the kicking gens for the killer, at double the regression speed, so it doesn't only act as a slowdown perk, it also saves the killer seconds from having to kick gens. If you apply that to the many instances where you would have kicked it otherwise, it becomes retroactively "semi-op" (please, note the " " before you start doing your thing).

Then, there is another important difference. Totems are RNG, which means that they can be found instantly, or they can stay completely hidden until the end of the match (and in some maps, hell, they are even poorly placed, so they become uninteractable). Oh, and by the way, Hex totems, whichever they might be, were never meant to be able to last a whole game, anyway. DS, on the other hand, only requires the killer to have enough brain to keep track of those survivors who might have it and leave them on the ground, which not only completely erases the perk, making it a wasted perk slot because it won't even serve its purpose, but it also means that other survivors will stop working on gens to go help the one into dying state. If he has UB, he will pick himself up, while you go hunt his friends. Good, so now at least two people are not doing anything, which is what a killer wants to apply pressure. Now, I know, at this point (if you bothered reading this time) you are already eager to write "Oh, but they get into lockers so I am forced to pick them up and let them use it". Well, if that was what you were going to say, can you please spare me your reply? Because that means that you aren't able to process that you AREN'T forced to do anything, just leave them there or fake going away and hit them when they come out. I know, it's that simple.

So, while DS and UB can be bothersome during EGC, if you killers keep crying so desperately about them instead of eating them when you have the chance, or just ignoring people who have DS and are on the ground, you're calling it upon yourselves. Trust me, I always eat DS early to mid game, when I run into the same survivors who were just unhooked (because if I lose it's fine to me, still much better than being a tunneler). And guess what? I still win. And yes, in red ranks (ranks mean nothing anyway. I could be a rank 20 and still play much better than a rank 1). The only thing ranks mean is that you played a lot, or not, during that particular monthly "season". On the other hand, as a killer, the only thing you need to make use of Ruin is to scare survivors off gens, or have them do something else. You can completely deny DS without ever interacting with it. But you can't deny Ruin and Undying without actively looking for them. Yes, those are still much better than NoeD, of course. No, those perks aren't meant to hold your hand throughout the whole duration of the trial. And the aura reading part of Undying shouldn't have been a thing, to be honest.

So yes, DS and UB tend to be overly exxagerated by killers, while Ruin and Undying, while kinda overly exxagerated as well, aren't as much. And to be frank, I think DS should be made stronger against tunnelers. I don't know how, but if there was a way for the perk to detect that you are being chased forever, I would have it being usable more than once. Just for tunnelers, though. Ah, right, one last thing. Don't forget that killers have Bloodlust, something that was added as a direct counter to infinites, that have been removed a while ago. So yeah, if you FAIL to hit survivors for 15 seconds, which is nothing, you are rewared by getting faster. And if you abuse that by respecting pallets and not destroying them, as a lot of maps are really awful pallet/pallet safety wise, you'll get survivors because of Bloodlust alone, not because of skill. I would gladly concede both DS and UB, perhaps even Dead Hard, if tunneling/chases that go on for so long that you may die of old age, camping and Bloodlust were not to be a thing anymore.

Well, I guess it was wrong on my side to expect you to be able to provide an intelligent reply, or at least something that wasn't childish. But you proved my point, showing that you don't really have any points yourself, to begin with. I'd say you were worth my time, but as you said "it's not nice to lie". Ok then, I guess it's past your bedtime, anyway. Be seeing you, kiddo ;)