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Who is the guy that decided to say "Screw feedback lets just be lazy and release this amature UI"
we gave you a MOUNTAIN of feedback on the new UI alone and all you decided to do to address it was add color blind options. We told you it looks awful and has bad placement, we asked you to at LEAST rearrange the icons to be compact but it won't have ANY CHANGES?
why do you ignore us? this isn't a matter of resistance to change the new UI is actually worse than the old one plenty of people have pointed that out and explained why when you disregard the new features like portraits and hook counters. You could have EASILY added the new features to the old UI with minimal changes in fact you said you didn't have enough room to add things you want BUT THE OLD ONE LEGIT HAS MORE ROOM FOR ICONS.
We made polls we had multiple threads made with 50 responses for each nearly all of them were negative even for the "positive" responses they were mainly about the new features and they often still complained about the new UI in some way. As for how negative based on the polls over 90% of players didn't like the new UI and considering only 2 or 3 responses were positive about it that seems to be correct.
why. did. you. ignore us? you said you take feedback you had mods merge posts and you basically took the easy way out and said "screw how the players feel". what is the point of the feedback section if you wont even take our opinion on something not even related to the balance of this game?
I'm beyond disappointed with this decision. i don't even care if i get a ban or something for this account im not the only person who feels this way and i will surely not be the last who has such a negative response to this decision. legit the only good thing is the hook counter and the ugly portraits in the UI that's it and we were fine with those things besides a lot of players wanting different portraits since they honestly look like they are from a mobile game as they don't fit the theme of dbd.
if the new UI does not get changed in the next chapter update that is a sure sign the devs don't care to listen to us, i can only hope this was done simply so the new hook feature helps new players because let's be honest we can count hooks guys.
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do what many veteran did dont put faith in devs that they will lisen to you, they dont care, they are like childres i want itand i will get it or i will cry a river
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Yeah, I agree.
especially because a good bunch of Threads was written with A LOT of Feedback regarding the UI in a constructive and respectful way. And honestly, bruteforcing the new UI into the game just drives away people who gave this constructive feedback.
Something like "New UI sucks!!111" will always be written, those people would not go way. But those who took their time to write explanations and even improvements will not do that anymore if their opinion is thrown into the garbage bin.
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Oh i know they don't listen well but i thought that was limited to simple balance decisions, to think they would be so dense that they can't even listen to feedback about something that doesn't affect that aspect at all.
There was no reason to not change the UI in response to how we felt about it and pretty much everyone agreed with it needing to be compact at least yet they didn't listen at all.
like come on it's a UI it is basically pictures on the screen with a set size and position that change when conditions are meet it would be the easiest thing out of all the things they added to change.
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yeah i created a really detailed post with pictures that was respectful and it got merged into the main feedback regarding the new UI as the head post. tons of feedback was on it but nearly all responses wanted changes to the UI and they did the worst thing they could have done which was to literally make no changes.
Like i said my only hope is they are saving all the changes and polishing them until the the next big update.
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The news that the hud is staying was the only bad part of the QnA.
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after nearly 4 years of dealing with the bugs, bad optimization for console, decreasing events, and total indifference to those issues.... this UI will more than likely be the final nail for me. I simply can’t deal with how awful it is. The info is all over the screen. It’s horrible. Imagine having a near perfect UI and thinking that this nonsense is an improvement.
it’s sad that so many people put effort and time into pointing out the areas for improvement yet the devs just continue on with such a terrible UI.
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Welcome to what Nurse mains felt a year ago.
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that was about balance and honestly if nurse wasn't a buggy mess i think it was fine. The thing i hated the most about her rework was her UR addons which are god awful, seriously they couldn't have just given her an extra blink it had to be turned into a useless addon that prevents blinking through walls.
this is a cosmetic appeal with nothing involving balance, there is actually no reason other than laziness or refining it to be improved later for it to remain unchanged after all that feedback. If it is not improved in the next chapter update than laziness is the reason since UI's are not that resource intensive the only thing that would require a lot of time is if they are changing the way survivor portraits look since a lot of feedback said they look bad.
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Well this clearly didn't age well now did it?
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poor mod just doing his job trying to reassure the players not his fault the devs did this.
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Yep, this was what I had in mind as well. I mean, I did not expect that they turn away from the new UI. IMO this would be the best decision, but I never expected that. But doing exactly nothing, aside from adding colorblind-options (which might have been more forced to come sooner than initially planned, but this is just speculation) is simply cheap.
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I know,i would never blame him for that because it's simply not his fault.
It's just hilariously sad how quickly that backfired.Another great example for poor communication inside BHVR
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I really hate how BHVR sometimes just brute forces their ideas no matter the feedback
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Seriously? UGH
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I think it's really unfortunate they are just pushing it out given how poorly it was received from both survivors and killers, pc and console (you don't need to play it to see it's bad, watching a stream is enough) - it's one thing that both sides can actually agree on. There were also multiple posts with comments from players in ptb complaining about the new UI giving them headaches and motion sickness. There's no good reason to just push this out instead of holding off and making changes based on the feedback they've already received. Pushing it out without changes is just them hoping that it'll force players to suck it up and get used to it.
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you know what im going to make a weekly post about how people are adjusting to this UI and see the responses.
without a doubt if you disregard the new features this UI is way worse than the old one but let's see if it really is just "resistance to change"
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IT WAS ME! I DID IT!
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What polls? The ones on reddit where 50 people voted? Give me a break... the amount of feedback offered from the PTB was minimal in comparison to the actual number of DbD players. Console users didn't even get to play with the new UI.
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Honestly it will be fine on survivor. The issue for me is on killer. Think about where your eyes tend to be on the screen when you are on killer. Bottom half. ( scratch marks, blood, obstructions etc....) having to look in the upper portion of the screen for info is not great. (Also said info is presented in a way that isn’t fluid)
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There are these polls in PTB feedback section of the forum with few hundred votes. There's also plenty of posts discussing the new UI, mostly negative.
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the polls on the forums one had 100-200 votes and i think the fact that on all polls i saw anywhere the result was more people not liking the new UI by a huge margin is enough to say that the community wouldn't/doesn't like it.
also its a UI not a gameplay feature all you have to do is look at it and you have a valid opinion on what you think of it no need to go onto the ptb for that.
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There are millions of DbD players. MILLIONS! And you here are like "listen to 200 people because we said so?"... are you for real?
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They did say in the livestream that they are still putting it out because they want to see how people feel when they have actually been able to use it themselves and not just seen videos with it on.
If they receive enough negative feedback from players after this within a few weeks of its release then they will adjust it.
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do you think that with such a huge percentage of players not liking it within that amount means there is a good chance that the whole community will like it with a higher percentage of people?
that is like saying 1/10 for anything regarding stats doesn't matter and just by looking at anything regarding UI changes during the ptb on anything the responses where mostly negative. it is basically a fact that more people didn't like it.
yes there are cases where a small number of people from an area have a different opinions but we are all playing the same game, we are definitely not in the same location/being influenced by the environment, and all people who gave feedback saw the same thing that is basically the same as gathering a hundred random people around the world and seeing how they react to the same thing and guess what? it's overwhelmingly negative on all sources covering the UI from social media, to the forums, to even streamers.
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200 players is NOT a huge percentage and yes, if 10% of people complain negatively then YES you are in the M I N O R I T Y. See, teh thing about changes is that the people whose are the most vocal are those who don't like it. People who don't care or like it won't make a comment about it. So to say "but look at all the negative comments", I'd say that yeah, that is expected with any change. People don't make posts if they are okay with a change, why would they? They are okay or don't care either way, so it doesn't affect them if it gets implemented.
But to say that the reaction was "overwhelmingly negative" is disingenuous, because you live in a bubble. You surrounded yourself with people who think like oyu and looked at posts that had the same negative feelings like you, and many of these feelings were just fueled by influencers so little kids just copy their opinions. The reality is there wasn't an "overwhelmingly negative response", you just surrounded yourself with people who think like that and just looked at forum posts that confirm your views.
A better way to test is to release it, let people adjust to it for some time and then release a survey to gather data from everybody, not just 100 Steam players. THAT is how you make changes to something, not listen to the 1%, or even 10%. Because if the majority are okay with this UI, then I'm sorry to say, the UI will stay as is.
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cool troll detected, you can't deny that on all forms of communication regarding the UI it was overwhelmingly negative. denying that and proposing that we are just a singularity that has a very different opinion from the total population of players is both ridiculous and extraordinarily unlikely when we are all equal to them and all have very different opinions regarding other things.
as said you don't need to play the ptb to have a opinion on the UI it's basically a picture, go find a post or anything that has a lot of people liking the new UI with prove not just a twitter post with hearts and then you would have at least thin ice to stand on in this argument. I will pretty much always have a bigger sample size example tho that supports it being largely disliked.
if you can't do that don't bother responding because your living in a fantasy.
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i will literally make a post every week to see if players are adjusting to it anyway if you can't get proof then wait for the results on those.
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Well what else did you not like about the QnA? Don't tell em you're mad that Ds and OoO are getting nerfed...
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Horrible UI < OoO + DS nerf
At least in terms of game health this updates good but i think i'll get sick from my eyes doing circles all game, a few players complained about that.
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10 posts is hardly overwhelming when the playerbase count is in the millions, but okay. Continue living in your own bubble buddy. Not gonna change the outcome.
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glad to see you lost the argument by pulling a strawman, stats are a thing for a reason and it's not like all the players on the forums came here just because we hate the UI.
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It's not a strawman, it's literally the truth buddy. I know it hurts to realize that 100 people agreeing with you isn't the majority of the DbD playerbase, but unfortunately that is the truth. Even if you were to add all the negative comments about the UI you will realize that, in comparison with the actual size of the DbD playerbase, the people who complained is very small. That is why they need ACTUAL stats, from the whole playerbase, rather than the vocal minority.
Btw, just because you say I lost the argument doesn't make you right, when your own proof is extremely shoddy and biased.
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They stated in the livestream that:
- Not everything can change from the PTB to the Live servers. The PTB is just a means to make sure that, bugs and other issues are found on the build 3 weeks earlier. Those are 3 weeks that they can try to track down what is causing the issues and fix it. And, sometimes, even those 3 weeks aren't enough.
- They want the new UI to go live, so people that didn't played the PTB (like console players) can try it and then, with the proper feedback and stats, they can make appropriate changes (if needed).
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better than literally no proof
you only have your words i have stats that are consistent across other discussions not just on the forums that point to people in general not liking the look of the new UI.
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Your stats are flawed and biased with a small sample size. Also people who go on forums, reddit etc tend to have more negative feelings. Your "stats" are not scientific and any scientist would dismiss them if they were for an actual experiment because of the small sample size and the inherit bias in the answer. Basically, your data is skewed because people on reddit/forums go there to complain, not to be all happy-go-lucky to talk about how much they love DbD and the devs.
Basically your stats mean absolutely jack.
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No I’m fine with the nerfs, I might actually use OoO now with this change. The fugly hud is the main thing I’m disappointed about since I tend to avoid playing games with cluttered huds.
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######### YOU! YOU ARE STARBOARD!
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Yeah a lot of us have provided feedback and some even created great mockups but in the end BHVR decided to ignore all of this. Very frustrating. They said they want to wait until everyone tries the new UI, meaning console players too. So they want to see what console players have to say and maybe then they’ll take the feedback seriously. Lol. Ok. BHVR will never stop with these excuses.
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Some people like the UI they can't do anything about it the community is half and half now 1 half likes the new UI and the other hates The new UI
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That's literally how polls work, though. You take a small random selection of a population, and generalize about the overall opinion within certain error bounds. Every major poll from Gallup for instance generally only cites a few thousand people at most. The point is not how many people can we get, it's how much of a variety are the people from which we are getting the opinions. For example, republican / democrat, religious / irreligious. Or in the case of DBD, killer / survivor, console / pc, etc. The fact that the sample size is small is irrelevant. You can generalize within error bounds. Having a nearly 90% dislike rate on an proposed concept in this community is very telling about what the likely overall view of the population of DBD actually is. You can't just sweep that fact under the rug.
And the simple solution is to do exactly what others have suggested. Give the user the control of the layout, and to switch between the new UI and legacy. It doesn't have to be an either / or scenario.
The devs hear you. They just don't listen. They smile and nod while they do whatever they want to anyway.
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Something something beta licensing or something.
Basically, they cant put it in on the PTB because that's already uploaded and made sure its in a playable state. Most likely (assuming they do) they'll push any changes when it goes live.
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