Stop saying "'nerf' Spirit"

Would making Ironwill counter Stridor be a good enough nerf? Then the players who hate her so much can always have an advantage.

I feel like if they made her a 115% movement speed and maybe just add an animation to let the survivors know that she is phasing like stretching her arms out like she does when you do phase just to let survivors who are close to her know that she is phasing it would be a good change for her but obviously there will still be people out there who would just complain at this idea and be like "no that's too much" as is the way with entitled survivor mains. I do enjoy spirit and playing against her is also fun because it provides a challenge but I wouldn't want them to make her obsolete to the point where you don't see many people play her .

Ppl can say what they want. If you disagree with them than disagree with them.

A slight change to make it a tad bit easier to verse spirit is all we’re asking for, that is all.

I think the only thing I'd change on her is the Breathing bug... But make an addon the Prayer Beads effect be that you can't hear her while she's phasing.... IDK if that would enough though

Yea survivors want to be able to know everything the killer does or doesn't do... just look at the perks that show killer's aura

They also want the killers to be predictable Spirit isn't so...

Also I noticed that the really Entitled Survivors want all killers to be like Legion or Pig (cause no one complains about those two... unless you play those two or go against one that "breaks the rules")

Stridor was used cause of all the audio bugs the game has. Now it's complained about cause "WAAAA Killer heard me when I was crouching next to them and I died"

Also I noticed how some survivor players act like it's COD and need their Escapes/ Death ratio to be as high as it can go... to prove their "good at the game"

Hillbilly was probably nerfed to raise the visibility on Bubba as both are thematically similar, with billy allowing far more skill expression.

I don't really like the idea of a single perk countering a killer power. See the situation of Doctor and Calm Spirit. It just creates frustration for both sides.

Back on Spirit, she doesn't need a nerf with or without buffs to compensate, she needs counterplay. There are 3 main issues with her at the moment and I'll try to trace a parallel with Nurse detail a few possible solutions:

1- When she starts phasing inside a chasing, there are no intended signs of such. Focus on the intended. The animation reset, shining shards, or hair bug are not reliable signs of her current state. A similar issue happened when she didn't have vault animation and every window was a source of mind games. In the PTB Spirit had an audible phasing sound inside the Terror Radius and that was changed. An example of a powerful and fairer killer power is the Nurse's Blink. When she starts casting, there are visual and audio clues that allow survivors to predict the distance traveled based on the duration and direction based on where she's facing. The survivor may react to that by searching for LOS, doing a 180 and running into her, or even run in circles. The nurse on her end can flicker the direction of the blink, blink downwards to stay in place, go to the last location of the survivor and proceed with a second blink or try to predict. Those clues mediate the killer/survivor interaction, That's also why lots of people don't enjoy playing against Slinger, he can no scope with no reaction time.

2-The seconds is related to her phasing. A spirit that started phasing can gather information through audio clues and visual clues (grass, scratch marks, blood pools if using the addon, etc), and there is little reciprocity due to poor design. The only audible clues a spirit provides of her location is her steps. While I believe that a killer's power is meant to make the killer feel powerful, it's hard to track steps inside a chase for both sides. Heavily invested players that dedicate time to main spirit have to make use of headphones and some use external tools to isolate important sounds. As a player, I don't think it's justifiable to make use of external tools to increase my performance against 1 killer of the rooster. In fact, I don't think those tools should be necessary at all. Her power is to make her feel scary, but also to allow skill expression from both sides. I dunno how to solve this issue, but if other sounds such as chase music and environmental effects were dramatically reduced for the spirit and everyone close so we could use the existing stepping sounds without resorting to external hardware and software, it would be a good start.

3-IMO, her power is low risk and high reward. The moment a Spirit loses track of a survivor while phasing, she can interrupt and keep the remaining charges. Some Spirit players just use her power as small bursts of speed and there is no sense of commitment to power. If you manage to dodge a nurse blink, she is fatigued and has to restore blink charges. If you manage to dodge a Spirit out of the phasing lunge, she can do it again in a few seconds. A possible solution would be making her phasing last the full duration once started and full recharge.

I’m new to dbd but looking through the update history, it certainly appears to be one of those accursed games where the community gets every little thing that rubs them the wrong way nerfed into the ground, again and again, without ever learning to actually play or counter things. Games with communities like this seldom last. I’m sort of surprised dbd is still going given how chronic the problem seems to be. How very disheartening.

The problem with spirit and nurse is that she makes chases boring for survivors. If there is literally no power to the survivors it would become m1 generator simulator and that would suck. It should be balanced in a way to make chases fun.

the 1 nerf i think would work is adding back the breathing bug, didnt occur enough to drop her from top tier to med tier IMO. The fatigue bit is too much though

Spirit is the epitome of a balanced killer, just like Hillbilly was before his nerf. While she is in the top 2 killers (Nurse and Spirit), she's not better than Nurse.

And let me put it this way for the Nurse vs Spirit argument:

Nurse is better than Spirit assuming that a competent Nurse player has her. Her simple yet insanely strong ability to teleport, even through walls, makes her the best killer in the game. It's just that she's so hard to learn. That's why people say "I beat Nurse all the time!" Yeah, baby Nurses and intermediate Nurses, not veteran/PC Nurses otherwise you'd complain about her all the time. Spin and double back all you want, because a good Nurse doesn't care about any of that and will hit you anyway.

Spirit has a more complex power but it is mostly about moving fast and hearing where survivors are. If they have Iron Will, you're screwed. If they know how to play around with the sounds, you're screwed. She's not as skilless and uncounterable as people make her sound. The standing still mindgame needs to be fixed, because it is actually no-skill just like the old window vault faking.

So Nurse is the stronger killer, but Spirit is more accessible aka easier to pick up. A good Spirit player is better than a bad Nurse, but a good Nurse is better than any Spirit player.

But bottom line: Spirit is one of those few killers that actually has control in the chase, which survivors don't like. Nurse has control as well, but Spirit can somewhat be looped whereas Nurse cannot be looped at all. Spirit is balanced.

just let them be, they can argue whatever is it, sooner or later BHVR will nerf spirit that for sure, same as Freddy previously,

Many killer defending him in the end BHVR will set them straight.

Nah I play solo and view SWF as literally cheating as they use third party applications (discord) to bypass the intended mechanics of the game. Just being on voice comms gives everyone like 20 something perks for free lol. Imho of all things are equal skill-wise, survivors have an advantage even as solo queue. This is mainly because the game is designed to compensate for bad survivors, so if there are no bad survivors, it equals out to an advantage.