NOED Rework

@Wolf74 said:

@nomorevideos said:

@Wolf74 said:

@nomorevideos said:

@Wolf74 said:

@Dragonredking said:
How about you cleanse the totem?
They are there for a reason.

He already made his point.
He does not want to! So he comes to the forum to ask the Devs to fix his lazyness .

"Lazyness", nice English. No laziness isn't an issue, but braindead teammates are. And no, I won't become the designated Small Game(r) and run across the map for several minutes trying to find all the totems while my team is getting slaughtered and no one is doing gens. Again, play without your little friends and see how it goes. Everyone here is either low-key getting off to this NOED buff because they're a bad killer or they're playing SWF and don't know it better.

Oh, you found a misspelling from someone ho is not a native speaker… wow, wanna try answer me in german and we see how good you are?

And guess what? I play 98% of my survivor games SOLO, so your "with your little friends" crap goes nowhere.
If all survivor just cleanse ONE (dull) totem, Noed won't be an issue in 99% of the matches.
You do not need to run around for ages to find all totems.
There is a pattern in their spawn and you should be able to find them pretty easy, without actively searching. I usually cleanse 2-3 dulls while looking for Ruin anyway. :P

I'm not a native speaker either and FYI my native tongue IS German. But to your luck I am very bad at it nowadays, so I'll have to decline your offer.

Anyways I think I made it clear that the issue is that my teammates do not cleanse the totems. I try to cleanse totems, but it's not possible for me to do all of them unless I have Small Game or look very carefully and waste several minutes doing so. Even with Small Game I'd need to run through the whole map and across it to check all spots. It's not something I can afford in half my matches because I am often one of the only people who do gens. So it's either I do gens and we get to endgame and get cheesed by NOED or I waste my time looking for totems and everyone dies with 2-3 gens left.
I'd rather work through perma-ruin than have to deal with NOED and baby killers every second match.

So again… your teammates suck and don't do their job?
And who do you wanna see punished for that?
Oh... the killer, sure.^^
They CHOOSE to ignore totems, so they have to take the possible consequences.
Your part of said team, so: "mitgefangen, mitgehangen".

Not wasting time on looking for little skull easter eggs and cleansing them = bad teammates, alright sure. And nah it's fine that baby killers can get 1-3 free kills with NOED. Bad and baby killers should be rewarded for playing badly during the main part of the game.

@Peanits said:
NOED wasn't really buffed. Tier 3, the one most people are going to have and the most powerful tier, remains unchanged. It has always been a good perk.

The lower tiers might see more use because they're a decent use for a perk slot as you're leveling up a new killer, but it's no more powerful than a tier 3 version.

If you're having trouble with NOED, I would suggest cleansing totems before powering generator. Cleanse 5 and it'll never activate. You have the power to counter it.

You don't play a lot of DbD then do you? I've put around 180 hours into it in the past 3-4 (played a lot during the event) and pretty much 50% of killers ran NOED1-2 at yellow ranks. I used to use NOED3 on my Lv.42 Wraith when I started playing killer, as well as sometimes on some other killers. It actually took effort to get to tier 3 and usually by the time you had a high enough killer (unless RNG gave you NOED3 really early on, which is rare) you'd usually be at least somewhat competent at the game. Now it's basically the situation where new killers don't even need to try to win the game during the 5 gens because they've been shown that they can just run NOED1-2 and get some free kills if not a 3-4man. It reminds me of TF2 and how newer players "learn" to rely on random crits with melee weapons to get kills. I was always fine with NOED3 because it took time and "effort" to even get it and it was semi rare, but now that everyone runs it it just feels very jarring. If they ever nerf DS, but keep NOED like this then I don't know what to think anymore. I don't understand why anyone would prefer the current version over a non-hex version that only gives you a certain number of exposed attacks whether they hit or not. For pretty much every exposed effect (not huntress' insta hatchets) in the game you have to earn it, but NOED just feels cheap despite the fact you "could" prevent it.

@Malakir said:
OK troll guy, 5/10
You can improve

"He thinks a crutch perk should be removed/rebalanced, so he's a troll", GJ.

@The_Daydreamer said:
Imo NOED doesnt need any change or rework at the moment. It does his job and can be countert. Sorry, but I disagree.

So just because it "can", potentially, be countered it's not broken or outright a crutch? Good opinion buddy.

@Malakir said:
nomorevideos said:

@The_Daydreamer said:

Imo NOED doesnt need any change or rework at the moment. It does his job and can be countert. Sorry, but I disagree.

So just because it "can", potentially, be countered it's not broken or outright a crutch? Good opinion buddy.

Why "can" lol clease totems, adapt
Like the devs said to all killers when infinities were thing. Adapt

Crutch perk but it can be nullified haha what a joke

So can DS, doesn't mean it's not a crutch perk. Your perception of it is "if you can do something it's not bad/a crutch" when in reality that doesn't matter. Again you can't even counter my argument of "it rewards bad killers for doing nothing the whole game". Someone could literally sit in the basement for the entire game and then get a 4k in endgame or just use remember me and some other endgame perks alongside NOED and still easily get a 4k for basically playing like trash the entire "match". Infinites were fixed because they were an actual issue and not fun. Yet you're using it as argument here, like the devs were right when they said "just adapt" when in reality to fixed it after seeing how bad the problem really was. Maybe you're the strawman here.

@MhhBurgers said:
The guy claimed DS can be countered when the only counter to DS is a survivor being stupid enough to get downed near a hook. Smart survivors who are injured and know they'll go down will run away from hooks or to a corner or some ######### so they can get DS off.

Enduring counters DS 4/5 times and getting downed anywhere near a hook will too. Saying "oh a good survivor won't get downed near one" is #########, you don't get to decide where you get downed. Sometimes you won't have the option to extend the chase or run of somewhere else. Running into a corner to "get DS off" is plain stupid if the killer has Enduring and even if he doesn't, being in an empty corner won't do a lot for you.

@Malakir said:
nomorevideos said:

@Malakir said:

nomorevideos said:

@The_Daydreamer said:

Imo NOED doesnt need any change or rework at the moment. It does his job and can be countert. Sorry, but I disagree.



So just because it "can", potentially, be countered it's not broken or outright a crutch? Good opinion buddy.



Why "can" lol clease totems, adapt

Like the devs said to all killers when infinities were thing. Adapt

Crutch perk but it can be nullified haha what a joke

So can DS, doesn't mean it's not a crutch perk. Your perception of it is "if you can do something it's not bad/a crutch" when in reality that doesn't matter. Again you can't even counter my argument of "it rewards bad killers for doing nothing the whole game". Someone could literally sit in the basement for the entire game and then get a 4k in endgame or just use remember me and some other endgame perks alongside NOED and still easily get a 4k for basically playing like trash the entire "match". Infinites were fixed because they were an actual issue and not fun. Yet you're using it as argument here, like the devs were right when they said "just adapt" when in reality to fixed it after seeing how bad the problem really was. Maybe you're the strawman here.

Lol are you serious? Omg for the whole thread I just sent a guy crying over a clensable perk. If you cannot press 1 button. for 20s and nullify a perk then yes, its fine punish you. Yes I use just adapt because you won't adapt, you won't cleans totems, and even if you cleanse just two and noed still activate it means 1 gates are powered 2 noed spawned and can be cleaned 3 you can just run away since the killer would camp that guy and won't pipe anyway (the hooked guy will if he did the gens) giving you time to escape or look for noed and the save

I know its hard thinking about things and its better straight up lie saying a killer can 4k standing still till noed proc. Which is a dumb statement unless you are a rank20 who swarm the hook knowing he has noed active. You are the one making dumb statements and lying about this whole thing to fit your narrative. I'm not strawmaning I'm saying that if even me, a bad evader that play mostly stealthy can take a chase looping a killer and escape hiding even when noed is into play, anybody can

GitGud boy

pure crutch perk that's designed for little timmy
git gud

Yeah okay. All I did was propose a change for NOED that would actually require skill to use and not just blindly reward rank 15 babies for spamming M1 cause they couldn't be bothered to put pressure on the survivors and learn basic gameplay mechanics. Ofc rank 15 huntresses like you will crawl out of the woodwork and tell me to just cleanse totems, because that's viable and everyone does it. Despite the fact that it was never the main issue. The main issue is that NOED is a crutch perk, more than DS, and now that they buffed it it's even more evident. I used to run NOED3 on my Wraith, but I can't even use it anymore and instead I'll play 2-3 perk Wraith for my dailies. Running NOED is actual cancer, because it just proves you're a bad killer.