NOED Rework

MasonHugsCats

When playing at Rank 1 my NOED only activated 20% of the time.. 

Peanits

NOED wasn't really buffed. Tier 3, the one most people are going to have and the most powerful tier, remains unchanged. It has always been a good perk.

The lower tiers might see more use because they're a decent use for a perk slot as you're leveling up a new killer, but it's no more powerful than a tier 3 version.

If you're having trouble with NOED, I would suggest cleansing totems before powering generator. Cleanse 5 and it'll never activate. You have the power to counter it.

R4rix

Well, noed is now less powerful, but every1 uses it.

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@Malakir said:
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@Bravo0413 said: I stated awhile ago that DS should have the downside of being exposed and moriable attached to it after use and or end game... there was a thread talking about possible rework etc....... and then rancor was born.... it's not broken and the "bittermurmur 2.0" isn't that great at all ...... its not even auras its pretty much the docs madness tier up sooo Let me rephrase it then? I mentioned how stupid it is to have a bitter murmur 2.0 with basically no downside, except your obsession seeing your aura as well. It gives you a free mori and exposed effect, again for no reason other than "you equipped this perk, good job!". Devour takes effort to get, the same goes for some other perks and addons that give you the exposed effect (no, not huntress' crutch hatchets). I'd go as far as to argue even mories as offerings are somewhat crutchy, but at least you don't get them THAT often. Nerfing mori offerings would be pointless because then they'd be useless, similar to how useless BNP is nowadays. On that note, why did they nerf BNP? And why this much. Unlike killer addons, survivor addons and items are way more rare. For killers there are no items, just addons. Survivors have addons and items and BNP were pretty rare. Strong, but rare. Similar to memento mories. They might as well nerf those now and make them completely useless. Oh and please buff NOED even more, I am a bad killer and need all the automated killi- help I can get. survivors keeps item if they are good, unlike you Rancor.. Mg its so op that nobody uses it anymore since its weak as fk and bitter murmur is way stronger than it. Actually any mets perk is better than rancor So yeah, get better. I play solo all the time and noeds are every day less common to see since people is actually starting to cleabse them, not only me. It gives bp and boldness so its a win win, actually a win win win since you deleted noed and if the killer use it he actually played a game with 3 perks then whole time

I know you wanna be the power role even playing as survivor (even if you already are) but you should do better plays. If someone hbad at chases like me can survive using mostly stealth and still winning chases, anybody can



" survivors keeps item if they are good, unlike you" What does that even mean. Also again where did I say I want survivors to be the power role? I said NOED is a crutch perk that doesn't feel fair to play against at all. Literally every other killer perk in the game feels more fair, even Rancor feels more fair than the mistake that NOED is. How about this.. let's give killers FREE NOED at the end of the game as well as free mories and if only 1-2 survivors are left you get free whispers so they can't hold the game hostage. Seems fair right?



Okay nice straw man, look if you won't discuss but just have an echo chamber its fine but then don't cry when people call you out for saying stupid #########. I listed why noed its pretty fair and how random its actually underpowered. To answer that you just did bad examples and strawman my words

You are incredibly stupid or dishonest, either way I don't care anymore what you say if you cannot think

Enjoy your little world, have fun

Play rank 15 then and see how it goes. I bet you'll like getting smacked by NOED every second match when you're playing with and against bad players. Oh what? Rank up? Well I'd rank up if pipping wasn't total garbage on the survivor side and forced you to play a very specific way, a way that doesn't reward trying to survive but instead forces you to mishmash and get yourself and your team killed. Not to mention rank 1-15 feels the exact same except that you have more actual newbies at rank 15. Oh and we have "seasons" because DbD is a very competitive esports game, despite the fact everyone could be rank 1 since it's not an actual ELO system and you don't have to "win" to pip.

So you're rank 15 saying its easy rank up to rank 1 but at the same time its impossible to get out of rank 15? What do you smoke?

Win its piping while for others is survive. Depends on who you ask, for me its survived and pip.

How can you say rank up its garbage while saying its easy I don't get it really. I just pip by taking the chase thing by being hid on terror radius and doing 2 gens for light bring er. Its easy peasy. if you can't escape rank 15 killers using the excuse of noed and you won't cleanse totems either, its on you dude.

GitGud, play more and whine on the forum less. As far as I can read you just bought the game or still new ish to the game so just learn how to play before crying, ty

Learn to read, I said everyone could be rank 1 because of how the game's ranking system works. You can hook everyone 2 times and still pip as killer, hence every single survivor and killer could be rank 1 if everyone would basically farm or play in a certain way.
Ranking up as survivor is garbage because it forces you to do a bit of everything or do very, very well in 2 categories. It rewards people with a "######### it" attitude. Literally just do 1 gen and then go chase the killer around a bit and farm some teammates. Meanwhile as killer you actually do everything naturally. Trying to slow down the gens, hooking people, chasing people and hurting them. Having a lot of interactions should be a requirement for getting a double pip, but not for a single one.

"> GitGud, play more and whine on the forum less. As far as I can read you just bought the game or still new ish to the game so just learn how to play before crying, ty"

Lmao, 850 hours btw. Stop shilling.

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@Dragonredking said:
How about you cleanse the totem?
They are there for a reason.

He already made his point.
He does not want to! So he comes to the forum to ask the Devs to fix his lazyness .

"Lazyness", nice English. No laziness isn't an issue, but braindead teammates are. And no, I won't become the designated Small Game(r) and run across the map for several minutes trying to find all the totems while my team is getting slaughtered and no one is doing gens. Again, play without your little friends and see how it goes. Everyone here is either low-key getting off to this NOED buff because they're a bad killer or they're playing SWF and don't know it better.

Oh, you found a misspelling from someone ho is not a native speaker… wow, wanna try answer me in german and we see how good you are?

And guess what? I play 98% of my survivor games SOLO, so your "with your little friends" crap goes nowhere.
If all survivor just cleanse ONE (dull) totem, Noed won't be an issue in 99% of the matches.
You do not need to run around for ages to find all totems.
There is a pattern in their spawn and you should be able to find them pretty easy, without actively searching. I usually cleanse 2-3 dulls while looking for Ruin anyway. :P

I'm not a native speaker either and FYI my native tongue IS German. But to your luck I am very bad at it nowadays, so I'll have to decline your offer.

Anyways I think I made it clear that the issue is that my teammates do not cleanse the totems. I try to cleanse totems, but it's not possible for me to do all of them unless I have Small Game or look very carefully and waste several minutes doing so. Even with Small Game I'd need to run through the whole map and across it to check all spots. It's not something I can afford in half my matches because I am often one of the only people who do gens. So it's either I do gens and we get to endgame and get cheesed by NOED or I waste my time looking for totems and everyone dies with 2-3 gens left.
I'd rather work through perma-ruin than have to deal with NOED and baby killers every second match.

So again… your teammates suck and don't do their job?
And who do you wanna see punished for that?
Oh... the killer, sure.^^
They CHOOSE to ignore totems, so they have to take the possible consequences.
Your part of said team, so: "mitgefangen, mitgehangen".

Not wasting time on looking for little skull easter eggs and cleansing them = bad teammates, alright sure. And nah it's fine that baby killers can get 1-3 free kills with NOED. Bad and baby killers should be rewarded for playing badly during the main part of the game.

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@MasonHugsCats said:
When playing at Rank 1 my NOED only activated 20% of the time.. 

Yet people claim that NOED always is/was a meta perk at high ranks.. but if it's a meta perk at high ranks that would mean that everyone knows about it.. so survivors who reside at those ranks would all run Small Game and destroy all totems so NOED would never pop/very rarely pop and killers would stop using it. Makes sense. Why would you run a meta perk that everyone knows about at rank 1?

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@Peanits said:
NOED wasn't really buffed. Tier 3, the one most people are going to have and the most powerful tier, remains unchanged. It has always been a good perk.

The lower tiers might see more use because they're a decent use for a perk slot as you're leveling up a new killer, but it's no more powerful than a tier 3 version.

If you're having trouble with NOED, I would suggest cleansing totems before powering generator. Cleanse 5 and it'll never activate. You have the power to counter it.

You don't play a lot of DbD then do you? I've put around 180 hours into it in the past 3-4 (played a lot during the event) and pretty much 50% of killers ran NOED1-2 at yellow ranks. I used to use NOED3 on my Lv.42 Wraith when I started playing killer, as well as sometimes on some other killers. It actually took effort to get to tier 3 and usually by the time you had a high enough killer (unless RNG gave you NOED3 really early on, which is rare) you'd usually be at least somewhat competent at the game. Now it's basically the situation where new killers don't even need to try to win the game during the 5 gens because they've been shown that they can just run NOED1-2 and get some free kills if not a 3-4man. It reminds me of TF2 and how newer players "learn" to rely on random crits with melee weapons to get kills. I was always fine with NOED3 because it took time and "effort" to even get it and it was semi rare, but now that everyone runs it it just feels very jarring. If they ever nerf DS, but keep NOED like this then I don't know what to think anymore. I don't understand why anyone would prefer the current version over a non-hex version that only gives you a certain number of exposed attacks whether they hit or not. For pretty much every exposed effect (not huntress' insta hatchets) in the game you have to earn it, but NOED just feels cheap despite the fact you "could" prevent it.

Malakir

OK troll guy, 5/10
You can improve

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@Malakir said:
OK troll guy, 5/10
You can improve

"He thinks a crutch perk should be removed/rebalanced, so he's a troll", GJ.

Malakir

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@Malakir said:
OK troll guy, 5/10
You can improve

"He thinks a crutch perk should be removed/rebalanced, so he's a troll", GJ.

"Talk nosense and pretend to be always right and never challenging his position because anybody who disagree is wrong' therefore troll
That's it. Now 6/10 you're putting a lil bit of baits now

The_Daydreamer

Imo NOED doesnt need any change or rework at the moment. It does his job and can be countert. Sorry, but I disagree.

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@Malakir said:
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@Malakir said:

OK troll guy, 5/10

You can improve

"He thinks a crutch perk should be removed/rebalanced, so he's a troll", GJ.

"Talk nosense and pretend to be always right and never challenging his position because anybody who disagree is wrong' therefore troll
That's it. Now 6/10 you're putting a lil bit of baits now

calling out a crutch perk that gives bad killers free kills and makes good killers who smurf even deadlier
"nah dude it's balanced and not a crutch"

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@The_Daydreamer said:
Imo NOED doesnt need any change or rework at the moment. It does his job and can be countert. Sorry, but I disagree.

So just because it "can", potentially, be countered it's not broken or outright a crutch? Good opinion buddy.

Malakir

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@The_Daydreamer said:
Imo NOED doesnt need any change or rework at the moment. It does his job and can be countert. Sorry, but I disagree.

So just because it "can", potentially, be countered it's not broken or outright a crutch? Good opinion buddy.

Why "can" lol clease totems, adapt
Like the devs said to all killers when infinities were thing. Adapt

Crutch perk but it can be nullified haha what a joke

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@Malakir said:
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@The_Daydreamer said:

Imo NOED doesnt need any change or rework at the moment. It does his job and can be countert. Sorry, but I disagree.

So just because it "can", potentially, be countered it's not broken or outright a crutch? Good opinion buddy.

Why "can" lol clease totems, adapt
Like the devs said to all killers when infinities were thing. Adapt

Crutch perk but it can be nullified haha what a joke

So can DS, doesn't mean it's not a crutch perk. Your perception of it is "if you can do something it's not bad/a crutch" when in reality that doesn't matter. Again you can't even counter my argument of "it rewards bad killers for doing nothing the whole game". Someone could literally sit in the basement for the entire game and then get a 4k in endgame or just use remember me and some other endgame perks alongside NOED and still easily get a 4k for basically playing like trash the entire "match". Infinites were fixed because they were an actual issue and not fun. Yet you're using it as argument here, like the devs were right when they said "just adapt" when in reality to fixed it after seeing how bad the problem really was. Maybe you're the strawman here.

Malakir

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@Malakir said:
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@The_Daydreamer said:

Imo NOED doesnt need any change or rework at the moment. It does his job and can be countert. Sorry, but I disagree.

So just because it "can", potentially, be countered it's not broken or outright a crutch? Good opinion buddy.

Why "can" lol clease totems, adapt
Like the devs said to all killers when infinities were thing. Adapt

Crutch perk but it can be nullified haha what a joke

So can DS, doesn't mean it's not a crutch perk. Your perception of it is "if you can do something it's not bad/a crutch" when in reality that doesn't matter. Again you can't even counter my argument of "it rewards bad killers for doing nothing the whole game". Someone could literally sit in the basement for the entire game and then get a 4k in endgame or just use remember me and some other endgame perks alongside NOED and still easily get a 4k for basically playing like trash the entire "match". Infinites were fixed because they were an actual issue and not fun. Yet you're using it as argument here, like the devs were right when they said "just adapt" when in reality to fixed it after seeing how bad the problem really was. Maybe you're the strawman here.

Lol are you serious? Omg for the whole thread I just sent a guy crying over a clensable perk. If you cannot press 1 button. for 20s and nullify a perk then yes, its fine punish you. Yes I use just adapt because you won't adapt, you won't cleans totems, and even if you cleanse just two and noed still activate it means 1 gates are powered 2 noed spawned and can be cleaned 3 you can just run away since the killer would camp that guy and won't pipe anyway (the hooked guy will if he did the gens) giving you time to escape or look for noed and the save

I know its hard thinking about things and its better straight up lie saying a killer can 4k standing still till noed proc. Which is a dumb statement unless you are a rank20 who swarm the hook knowing he has noed active. You are the one making dumb statements and lying about this whole thing to fit your narrative. I'm not strawmaning I'm saying that if even me, a bad evader that play mostly stealthy can take a chase looping a killer and escape hiding even when noed is into play, anybody can

GitGud boy

The_Daydreamer

@nomorevideos said:

@The_Daydreamer said:
Imo NOED doesnt need any change or rework at the moment. It does his job and can be countert. Sorry, but I disagree.

So just because it "can", potentially, be countered it's not broken or outright a crutch? Good opinion buddy.

It is not broken just cause you are too lazy to broke some few totems. Get over it and do your survivor-job better.
I never had problem as survivor. If I see that we didnt cleanse all totems, I am gonny destroy it and good is.

And a little sidenote: Maybe be bit more nice to people, if they answer your thread nicely.

MhhBurgers

The guy claimed DS can be countered when the only counter to DS is a survivor being stupid enough to get downed near a hook. Smart survivors who are injured and know they'll go down will run away from hooks or to a corner or some ######### so they can get DS off.

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@MhhBurgers said:
The guy claimed DS can be countered when the only counter to DS is a survivor being stupid enough to get downed near a hook. Smart survivors who are injured and know they'll go down will run away from hooks or to a corner or some ######### so they can get DS off.

Enduring counters DS 4/5 times and getting downed anywhere near a hook will too. Saying "oh a good survivor won't get downed near one" is #########, you don't get to decide where you get downed. Sometimes you won't have the option to extend the chase or run of somewhere else. Running into a corner to "get DS off" is plain stupid if the killer has Enduring and even if he doesn't, being in an empty corner won't do a lot for you.

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@The_Daydreamer said:

@nomorevideos said:

@The_Daydreamer said:
Imo NOED doesnt need any change or rework at the moment. It does his job and can be countert. Sorry, but I disagree.

So just because it "can", potentially, be countered it's not broken or outright a crutch? Good opinion buddy.

It is not broken just cause you are too lazy to broke some few totems. Get over it and do your survivor-job better.
I never had problem as survivor. If I see that we didnt cleanse all totems, I am gonny destroy it and good is.

And a little sidenote: Maybe be bit more nice to people, if they answer your thread nicely.

me: offers viable rebalance of pure crutch perk that's designed for rank 15 babies
rank 15 baby: "ACHUAELLY NOED is balanced just break totems u dummy"

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@Malakir said:
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@The_Daydreamer said:

Imo NOED doesnt need any change or rework at the moment. It does his job and can be countert. Sorry, but I disagree.



So just because it "can", potentially, be countered it's not broken or outright a crutch? Good opinion buddy.



Why "can" lol clease totems, adapt

Like the devs said to all killers when infinities were thing. Adapt

Crutch perk but it can be nullified haha what a joke

So can DS, doesn't mean it's not a crutch perk. Your perception of it is "if you can do something it's not bad/a crutch" when in reality that doesn't matter. Again you can't even counter my argument of "it rewards bad killers for doing nothing the whole game". Someone could literally sit in the basement for the entire game and then get a 4k in endgame or just use remember me and some other endgame perks alongside NOED and still easily get a 4k for basically playing like trash the entire "match". Infinites were fixed because they were an actual issue and not fun. Yet you're using it as argument here, like the devs were right when they said "just adapt" when in reality to fixed it after seeing how bad the problem really was. Maybe you're the strawman here.

Lol are you serious? Omg for the whole thread I just sent a guy crying over a clensable perk. If you cannot press 1 button. for 20s and nullify a perk then yes, its fine punish you. Yes I use just adapt because you won't adapt, you won't cleans totems, and even if you cleanse just two and noed still activate it means 1 gates are powered 2 noed spawned and can be cleaned 3 you can just run away since the killer would camp that guy and won't pipe anyway (the hooked guy will if he did the gens) giving you time to escape or look for noed and the save

I know its hard thinking about things and its better straight up lie saying a killer can 4k standing still till noed proc. Which is a dumb statement unless you are a rank20 who swarm the hook knowing he has noed active. You are the one making dumb statements and lying about this whole thing to fit your narrative. I'm not strawmaning I'm saying that if even me, a bad evader that play mostly stealthy can take a chase looping a killer and escape hiding even when noed is into play, anybody can

GitGud boy

pure crutch perk that's designed for little timmy
git gud

Yeah okay. All I did was propose a change for NOED that would actually require skill to use and not just blindly reward rank 15 babies for spamming M1 cause they couldn't be bothered to put pressure on the survivors and learn basic gameplay mechanics. Ofc rank 15 huntresses like you will crawl out of the woodwork and tell me to just cleanse totems, because that's viable and everyone does it. Despite the fact that it was never the main issue. The main issue is that NOED is a crutch perk, more than DS, and now that they buffed it it's even more evident. I used to run NOED3 on my Wraith, but I can't even use it anymore and instead I'll play 2-3 perk Wraith for my dailies. Running NOED is actual cancer, because it just proves you're a bad killer.

Malakir

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@The_Daydreamer said:

Imo NOED doesnt need any change or rework at the moment. It does his job and can be countert. Sorry, but I disagree.



So just because it "can", potentially, be countered it's not broken or outright a crutch? Good opinion buddy.



Why "can" lol clease totems, adapt

Like the devs said to all killers when infinities were thing. Adapt

Crutch perk but it can be nullified haha what a joke

So can DS, doesn't mean it's not a crutch perk. Your perception of it is "if you can do something it's not bad/a crutch" when in reality that doesn't matter. Again you can't even counter my argument of "it rewards bad killers for doing nothing the whole game". Someone could literally sit in the basement for the entire game and then get a 4k in endgame or just use remember me and some other endgame perks alongside NOED and still easily get a 4k for basically playing like trash the entire "match". Infinites were fixed because they were an actual issue and not fun. Yet you're using it as argument here, like the devs were right when they said "just adapt" when in reality to fixed it after seeing how bad the problem really was. Maybe you're the strawman here.

Lol are you serious? Omg for the whole thread I just sent a guy crying over a clensable perk. If you cannot press 1 button. for 20s and nullify a perk then yes, its fine punish you. Yes I use just adapt because you won't adapt, you won't cleans totems, and even if you cleanse just two and noed still activate it means 1 gates are powered 2 noed spawned and can be cleaned 3 you can just run away since the killer would camp that guy and won't pipe anyway (the hooked guy will if he did the gens) giving you time to escape or look for noed and the save

I know its hard thinking about things and its better straight up lie saying a killer can 4k standing still till noed proc. Which is a dumb statement unless you are a rank20 who swarm the hook knowing he has noed active. You are the one making dumb statements and lying about this whole thing to fit your narrative. I'm not strawmaning I'm saying that if even me, a bad evader that play mostly stealthy can take a chase looping a killer and escape hiding even when noed is into play, anybody can

GitGud boy

pure crutch perk that's designed for little timmy
git gud

Yeah okay. All I did was propose a change for NOED that would actually require skill to use and not just blindly reward rank 15 babies for spamming M1 cause they couldn't be bothered to put pressure on the survivors and learn basic gameplay mechanics. Ofc rank 15 huntresses like you will crawl out of the woodwork and tell me to just cleanse totems, because that's viable and everyone does it. Despite the fact that it was never the main issue. The main issue is that NOED is a crutch perk, more than DS, and now that they buffed it it's even more evident. I used to run NOED3 on my Wraith, but I can't even use it anymore and instead I'll play 2-3 perk Wraith for my dailies. Running NOED is actual cancer, because it just proves you're a bad killer.

OK so you're rank 15 or think the game should be balanced around newbie and not the high ranks players. After that statement I really don't care

Every competitive game should be balanced around the high plays not around the one who just started. 

You ain't entitled to say anything about balance especially when you call buff a tweak to make it an usable perk even at level 1 an 2 cutting off some grinding which is good.

Your points are pretty bad since you prefer look that tweak and not the 9 perks improvements for surveys, which I totally love and wanna see more so yeah.. Nice trying baiting and if you're not baiting I suggest you to get informed before spreading bias

Dreamnomad

Technically speaking NOED was nerfed, not buffed. At tier 3 that is. It completely lost the reduced cooldown on attacks. Not that anyone took that perk because of that ability. But for those of us with max ranked perks it wasn't buffed. Also, as I'm sure has been repeated numerous times, if you don't want the killer to use NOED then either bring a map with the add on to track killer's belongings or use small game to track down all the totems. It is 100% counterable.

Wolf74

@Dreamnomad said:
Technically speaking NOED was nerfed, not buffed. At tier 3 that is. It completely lost the reduced cooldown on attacks. Not that anyone took that perk because of that ability. But for those of us with max ranked perks it wasn't buffed. Also, as I'm sure has been repeated numerous times, if you don't want the killer to use NOED then either bring a map with the add on to track killer's belongings or use small game to track down all the totems. It is 100% counterable.

Totally agree.
Good that someone is mentioning all that, that is not a known "biased killer main" (like me^^).

Orion

Just break the totems.

AlexAnarchy

How to beat Noed ahem Break totems..stop trying to whine about a perk that only works if your too lazy too stop it.