So why is this update just survivor buffs and killers nerfs? lol

I wish I could see the game through some of the bias in this thread, must be a real struggle.

"ugh this update isn't exactly what I wanted, BHVR must hate my (insert whichever side you play)".

I'm really not into these changes. It just feels like they are full on embracing favoring survivors and not really caring about the killer side. I've really wanted to play killer again but just haven't had fun with it in the last month despite that being my preferred role typically. This new update gives me even less hope that will change and for the future of killer role. Below are some of my thoughts on the notes

-Freddy did need a nerf but I think they went overkill on him. Very likely to be one of the weakest killers now that almost everything on him was nerfed. He was good, but not THAT good.

-twins and demo both needed more buffs than nerfs but feels like overall they got more nerfs. Twins needed buffs to encourage other gameplay beyond slugging but now they kinda just made the one thing he was good at (although annoying) worse. Demo just needed a general buff

- Huntress was fine as is imo. Her iri hatchets weren't that bad. Overly nerfed her hatches imo. I think limiting to 2 and giving 2 would be much more reasonable. I like her new ultra rare though.

-BT I can't believe they buffed it. It was already a very powerful perk. I can understand the freddy shenanigans needing to change but this is a terrible change. I hope they don't follow through with this unless they further reduce the time BT gives protection (you can travel very far on 12 seconds).

- OoO is interesting and it does feel kind of neutral overall.

- lucky break sounds actually useful and fun to try out

-small games I like the change but would maybe slightly bump up the starting range to 50 instead

-Zenshin no one cares about

-soul guard and open handed changes are fine changes. Not game changing but okay

-new struggle is better for sure.

-hatch was a much needed change but I think more still needs done

-farm looks really solid

Ya🙃

Ahhh yes.

Slight buff to Zenshin=slight nerf to 3 killers and nerf freddy to the ground and majorly buff BT. Makes sense

Absolutely not, that makes no sense. The DS nerf followed the ruin undying nerf (which wasn't an issue as long as DS BTW). There's no compensation to give. Killers don't get to slow survivors to a crawl forever, survivors don't get to slow killer progress to a crawl. Survivors aren't owed for having their meta nerfed after the killer meta is nerfed. That's absolutely insane entitlement.

That being said, the changes to the killers aren't overall bad. Demo does absolutely have better add-ons now and better base performance. The nerfs to most of his commons is dumb, but yeah.

Huntress only really got a nerf to a specific add-on combination, and has most of the utility she had with her old add-ons, but more options in other areas.

I think Dowsey covered Twins and said it's missed attack cooldown. That's whatever. The alarm bell came in when the notes simply said cooldown.

Freddy is nerfed in some ways that's counterintuitive. They said they added slowing to snare placement to incentivize tactical use of them, but then they nerf the amount he has, which discourages placing them in spots ahead of time. Seemingly, the slowdown isn't enough to stop Freddy from controlling a pallet and placing down 1 snare at each side of a loop, so good job, Freddy's playstyle hasn't changed at all and might not even have a negative impact on his performance. Also, dream pallets nerf #########.

Overall, the changes to the killers aren't terrible even though there's some notably ######### moments. The fact that only Zanshin has been looked at, is annoying however. I'm guessing their reasoning is that the object change is for killers? If that's the case, then why weren't there more perk buffs for killer when Undying was reworked?

On top of nerfing his rarely used pallets lol.

I dont see very many people using Zenshin still. OoO may see a slight decrease in use but the buff to repair speeds is pretty significant. BT it does hurt both stealth killers and killers who can cover a lot of distance (such as demo or spirit etc across the map). 12 seconds BT is still a very long time. Tier 3 shouldn't be more than 10 imo

Ithink the time to repair the generator should b increased, provided that the tier 1killers are also nerfed

no you dolt, the fact that what was being abused was removed is what people are talking is the nerf so sure if you think of it that way sure they nerfed something but the key is what was being abused, this is not what was intended by the perk so by the definition it is not a nerf as the definition by many is a change of the item from it's original intended use to something less than it's intended use. and the abuse was not part of it's intended use thus this was truly not a nerf. but people like you and others will change the definition used to something that fits your narrative.

I just run ds and still able to hit many killers with it but most times they still come for me after the stun.

oh where does it say that tunneling is against the rules and is toxic? where does it say a killer can not camp the person on the hook? where is it said that noed can't be used becuase it's TOXIC? no where what so ever. HOWERVER the devs have stated that the perk DECISIVE STRIKE is to be an anti-tunneling perk. and having you progress the game means the killer is not chasing you and thus you can forward the game. the devs have STATED this and brought the perk into line with how they envisioned the perk being used not how YOU envision it to be used. your opinion means nothing in the grand scheme of things where the intention of how a perk is to be used or what ever.

your diatribe here shows your ignorance and self-righteous outlook that you know better than the people that make the game how it was designed. and by your own admission how they have it now means that your use of DS before WAS incorrect as the devs changed it to be more inline with their envisioning of the perk. You might notice that I said abuse not anything saying of incorrectly or using it against the rules of the game. you made that idea up just to make your argument sound right. To answer your questions there have been several DEV broadcasts where they discussed various perks and how their intent for the perks was. That is the addition to the tutorial in the do's and dont's of the use of a perk. The devs even came out and said they changed it this time as it was not being used as they intended it to be and thus changed it. you can take your clown suit to HR, turn it in and go find another line of work!

I think we're both in agreement that this whole bit means absolutely nothing. I have no idea what point you're trying to prove and at this point I don't even think you know yourself.

What is the definition of being tunneled?

According to the current decisive strike, if you perform an action, or as you say, progress the game, you are not being tunneled. I agree.

According to the previous decisive strike, like I said, as long as the killer picked you up during the 60 seconds after you were hooked, you were being tunneled the the perk would activate. This is the perk's intention and it was being used as it was designed.

This is what you're not understanding. By making this change the devs have clearly defined what is and what isn't being tunneled. To say that people weren't using the perk as intended in the past is a dumb argument simply because there was no definition in the past to be breaking. You can't violate intent when even the devs didn't specify what their intent was. Intent has been specified and the perk was changed. I fail to see how this is difficult to understand.

I'm glad you're using your word of the day calendar but I'm pretty sure you're using diatribe wrong. It's cool that you wanna use big words to make your point sound smarter, but at the end of the day you're still writing big walls of text about a nerfed perk in a video game.

This is just a dumb point to make as the people who make the games are often, if not always worse at it than the people who actually play it. This is why the players create the meta and why games where the devs try to create the meta often fail or receive backlash. Players know more about how something will be used at the highest levels simply because they're putting in the time to play at the highest level. They know what works and doesn't work practically better than a dev would.

This isn't even about DbD anymore, this is any game with a "meta"

And this is where you show how little you're paying attention.

You might notice that I haven't said the word "abuse" a single time until now throughout this entire thread. You might be surprised to heard that I did that on purpose, mostly because that wasn't what I was arguing. You said, and I quote:

If you were paying attention, my whole argument was based around the fact that you said DS wasn't nerfed. My whole argument was about how the devs changed a perk to function differently, by a different set of rules and definitions, than how it was used past. My whole argument was saying that when you take away what was "abused" and leave it in a weaker state, by definition of the word, it was...

NERFED

Look at how much you wrote, trying to argue a point that was never made. This entire comment that I'm responding to has absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about, yet you wrote it anyway thinking you cornered me when in reality you didn't have the slightest clue what the argument was about.

Congratulations, you've truly earned this ->🤡

Ffs didn't realise that this was a necrod thread, sorry everyone :(

Please look at the post dates of things.

That is literally only a fraction of the number of nerfs either side has had over the years. Implying that survivors have only had 5 nerfs in total is completely ludicrous, not only that but when was Quick and Quiet ever nerfed?

Balanced Landing that right.

okey,pleaze display how many did survs nerf.

Honestly? Whenever I search the forums from the web page, it always puts me in pages of old threads. I assume that is happening to other people too.