@FayeZahara said:
You don't touch my prayer beads im a very religious spirit killer. Don't you shame my religion i have a right to my beads.

But if you are having trouble with the spirit, play one round of chess. Trust me if you are good at chess you will out fox her everytime. But then again if the spirit is better at chess you can't win. She is the mindgame queen in the hands of a good chess player.

You just need to read the spirit and ussually its by watching her in action with others. There are 2 types of phasing she can do long and short. Can start to understand the pattern of play from that or get feedback from friends.

I don't think there is any out play ability about this add on. Its like playing Chess with a blindfold and ear muffs on. you know cant hear or see her.

@powerbats said:

@PixelatedDom said:

@powerbats said:

@PixelatedDom said:
Does anyone else think its a little ridiculous that the payer beads bracelet removes the phasing sound? It is impossible to tell if she come to your gen so she gets a free insta down if they're people on that Gen. I think that this add on should be removed, I think it is way to OP and removes the ability to guess on how to react to her.

As both a Spirit main and as a survivor that faces her the addon is fine and you just have to play more appropriately. You can run Premonition or Spine Chill and also pay attention to things like moving grass and also change positions ona gen.

You can also know she's there if you feel a nudge/bump stop holding M1 and or move and you won't get grabbed.

So they way to counter this add on should be to sacrifice a perk slot just in case she has the add on, or I should always look at the grass around me or sacrifice speed on a gen and change spots often? Personally I think that, that is way too much to do as a precaution against a very rare add on. I think it should be changed to a higher rarity. It is way to powerful for a very rare add on.

So in other words you don't want to have to actually play smart or choose a perk that benefits you and have it handed to you easier.

Premonition and spine Chill are used against all killers at all time, especially Wraith and Pig and Myers once he gets to Evil II. You also get good use out of them against Billy, Nurse, Hag, Huntress, Trapper etc, Just wait until you go up against a Wraith with movement speed addons and quick uncloaking which are also very rare addons.

If you're not willing to pay attention to your surroundings while playing then you can't complain when a killer nails you. In fact you'e just as bad as the killer that don't want to run anything but their favourite perks despite seeing what the survivors are and what they're bringing.

They then do exactly what you do and complain that it's to hard and they shouldn't have to adapt, everything should be easy for them.

I never see anyone run those perks. And no I dont think the game should be easy, I think it should be fair. I think there is nothing fair about taking away the sound that signifies that the killer is near you at all. But on top of that she is invisible. Unless you were looking at her direction and saw some grass move or had one of those perks you would have absolutely no idea if she was even in your general area. I think the add on is completely unfair and not fun at all to fight against. There is no draw back to using it like no scratch marks or anything like that. It is a free down on people working on gens, and a free hit on people running around. I think there is no playing smart against something you dont know is coming. You dont know if its going to be spirit, you dont know if she'll have the add on and you dont know if she is coming. I think the add on should be nerfed to ultra rare.

@powerbats said:

@PixelatedDom said:

I never see anyone run those perks. And no I dont think the game should be easy, I think it should be fair. I think there is nothing fair about taking away the sound that signifies that the killer is near you at all. But on top of that she is invisible. Unless you were looking at her direction and saw some grass move or had one of those perks you would have absolutely no idea if she was even in your general area. I think the add on is completely unfair and not fun at all to fight against. There is no draw back to using it like no scratch marks or anything like that. It is a free down on people working on gens, and a free hit on people running around. I think there is no playing smart against something you dont know is coming. You dont know if its going to be spirit, you dont know if she'll have the add on and you dont know if she is coming. I think the add on should be nerfed to ultra rare.

I run Premonition all the time and see both all the way to rank one playing both sides and if you want to talk about being fair you have it way easier a a survivor.

You complain about taking away the sound well guess what Evil within I Myers has ZERO terror radius and no sound. Wraith has no terror radius while cloaked and is invisible and has more multiple rare addons that make him a beast.

If I were to use your example, unless you were looking at his direction and saw some grass move or in his case a shimmer you wouldn't know he's there. What you don't like is the fact you can't play against her the same way as all the other visible killers.

The drawback is that it's very rare and unlike some of the addons you use doesn't drop like candy in her blood web. It's also only a fre down if YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION. If you're going to tunnel vision on that gen then you deserve to get pulled off.

If the killer is a Billy or Myers or anyone else and they have tinkerer well guess what they can sneak up on you and grab you just as easily. You don't know who the killer is which is why you pay the heck attention and don't just run right at the nearest gen without a care in the world.

They could make the addon ultra rare and you'd still get grabbed off that gen, then you'd complain it needs to get removed. The issue isn't the addon but your stubborn refusal to learn from your mistakes and change how you play.

Again the perk isn't the issue no matter the rarity you'd still complain about it because you won't adapt, you won't take advice. Instead you want to do ye old Ostrich head in the ground routine. IF you think that perk is unfair then I don't think you'll like what rank 1 is like. The killers there use tinkerer, you'll see lots of Wraiths, Freddy's who by they way you ca't see and the ones there know how to play.

You can see everyone of those killers besides Freddy and he has a lullaby to let you know he is near by, and even if he doesn't it takes him a few seconds to pull you into the dream world. All of the other killers who go invisible have a draw back to attacking you. She doesn't not have that at all. She instantly comes out with a speed buff. The only thing that you can use to tell if she is near you is the sound effect unless you have a perk to know she looked in your general direction or if you see some grass move. If you take away the one thing that lets you know that she is even near you then you have little to no chance of ever getting away without getting hit or pulled off a gen. You cannot compare her to other killers because she is not like them at all. I have no issue fighting her the way she is. Hearing the sound queue gives me a split few moments to run to a pallet, run away, or try to hide. If you take that away you have no chance of that happening unless you have a perk slot used up or you see grass move. I think that is incredible over powered for a very rare add on. And you're right I do think the add on should be removed, but the Devs are never going to do that so the least I want to see happen is have it be moved to ultra rare. It is way too powerful and should be nerfed. This has nothing to do with me not being good at the game or adapting. You cannot adapt to something you cant see or hear. It needs to be nerfed.

@powerbats said:

@PixelatedDom said:

You can see everyone of those killers besides Freddy and he has a lullaby to let you know he is near by, and even if he doesn't it takes him a few seconds to pull you into the dream world. All of the other killers who go invisible have a draw back to attacking you. She doesn't not have that at all. She instantly comes out with a speed buff. The only thing that you can use to tell if she is near you is the sound effect unless you have a perk to know she looked in your general direction or if you see some grass move. If you take away the one thing that lets you know that she is even near you then you have little to no chance of ever getting away without getting hit or pulled off a gen. You cannot compare her to other killers because she is not like them at all. I have no issue fighting her the way she is. Hearing the sound queue gives me a split few moments to run to a pallet, run away, or try to hide. If you take that away you have no chance of that happening unless you have a perk slot used up or you see grass move. I think that is incredible over powered for a very rare add on. And you're right I do think the add on should be removed, but the Devs are never going to do that so the least I want to see happen is have it be moved to ultra rare. It is way too powerful and should be nerfed. This has nothing to do with me not being good at the game or adapting. You cannot adapt to something you cant see or hear. It needs to be nerfed.

Again this all boils down to you refusing to adapt, you want a perk removed or made rarer because you don't like it. You want it gone/removed because you don't want to have to run a perk that works against ehr and all other killers. You want it gone/removed because you don't want to have to pay attention to grass moving or making sure you're not tunnel visioned on the gen.

It really wouldn't matter if it was ultra rare or not, you'd still complain it's op because you don't want to adapt and learn how to counter her. If you have problems with ehr than a Wraith with very rare addons that allows him to decloak and move super quick will give you even more trouble.

You say you can't compare well sure you can, all killers can pull you off gens because you refuse to pay attention. Why even Bubba with all his issues can sneak up on you because you don't want to have to pay attention. If he has tinkerers well guess what you're getting grabbed off that gen.

Myers Evil Within I and his VERY RARE Scratched Mirror is going to grab you off gens and he has ZERO terror radius. Also unlike Spirit he can see your Aura within 12 meters even behind walls and guess what he can grab you off gens.

Then there's the Wraith that has a VERY RARE addon that allows him to see auras while cloaked within 12 meters. So he can also sneak up on you while invisible and grab you off the gens.

Lastly if you think it's so op take her to rank 1 and then use that addon and 4k every game with her, since it's so op you should have no problem doing that.

Those other killers add on my be OP too but you can see them. You can even see the wraith, but you CANNOT SEE THE SPIRIT AT ALL. If you get pulled off a gen by one of those other killers I believe it to be your fault for not seeing them come up. You CANNOT SEE HER COME TO YOU. The only way for you to tell that she is coming near you with out a perk is to see grass move. Zero terror radius is fine as long as you have a chance to see them. So if you cant see them it should be fair to at least be able to hear them right? This add on is much more powerful then what you are comparing it to. Its not me failing to adapt. If you can predict when the spirit is coming to you with this add on, without a perk to tell she is looking in your general direction in the jig saw map then sure I'll believe you, but it cant be done. Her coming to your gen is random.

@powerbats said:
Again you were given counterplay options 2 hard options that you refuse ro use and 1 soft option with the grass moving. You've chosen to be like the kid standing in the corner stomping their feet and holding their hands on their ears.

You also can't compare this to a side scrolling fighting game nor a fighting game in general and that just shows the weakness and invalidity of your argument. The addon isn't the issue but your refusal to take any advice that will help you counter that very rare addon.

The devs could make it Ultra Rare and you'd still complain about it because you don't want to change and adapt. You say you don't want things easy but by asking for it to be changed or removed that's exactly what you're doing. If you refuse to use the tools that are available to counter something and instead ask for a removal you're asking for an easier game.

I don't have an issue facing her at rank 1 when she uses this addon because I know how she plays and i also have adapted my playstyle to counter her. It doesn't matter the killer, I simply adapt as the match goes on.

The devs aren't going to remove something simply because you don't want to adapt and change how you play since if they did that then they'd have to do it for everyone else. You'd have basically a Hello Kitty gameplay at that point trying to please everyone.

Yes I can compare this to a fighting game. It was a topic of patterns not anything to do with game play. So dont tell me what I can and cant compare, I know a lot about the internals of games. If you have to use a perk slot to even tell if the killer is coming towards you that is EXTREMELY powerful. Disregarding grass because there are plenty of areas without grass. This add on is too powerful for it rarity. I'm not asking for a easier game at all and if you could comprehend that, then maybe we could get somewhere in the debate. Again, I want you to tell me how you are suppose to counter her when she has this add on, on the jigsaw map without a perk to tell she is coming to you. You cant. And thats my point. It is way to powerful at its current rarity. It takes out the mechanic for you to tell if she is near you. It needs to be changed, this wouldnt make it any less difficult to deal with her, it would make her more balanced.

@powerbats said:

> @PixelatedDom said:

You need to have a specific perk to counter her add on that is why it is OP, you can tell me to adapt all you want but only having 1 real hard counter to a add on is complete broken. And no you can see all of those other killers, her invisibility is just like Freddy's. You are completely invisible when you phase. therefor you cannot tell if she is near you. All of those other killers can be seen coming to your gen. You fail to see that clearly. And I can criticize killers even if I don't play them, I play against them all of the time, I understand what they do just as well as the killers themselves. Sure I can sacrifice one of my perks just in case I ever run into her with that add on again but personally I don't need that item on me 24/7 to deal with any other killer. The only time I would ever find it handy to use is against her with this add on. It needs to be nerfed.

I've given you 2 hard counters aka perks that not only work on here but all killers but you keep saying there's only 1 specific perk. Those 2 perks hard counter EVERY killer yet you don't want to admit that they work. Also all those other killers can't be seen clearly and the only one that refuses to see that is you.

Take Lery's for instance you can't see through walls now can you and since we both know the answer is a resounding no that means you can't see the killer coming. You just don't want to run a perk that works against all killers because you know it works against all killers.

Since you don't want to admit that you keep on insisting the addon is the problem and not your blatant refusal to use a perk that works against all killers. You claim to know how killers work just by playing against them yet if you've never played them your statement is false.

You can't claim to know the killers as well as those who play them if you've never even played one at all. That's like saying you know all the strengths and weaknesses of a fighting game character that you've faced but never played.

You can keep blaming the addon all you want, it won't change the fact that you've been given 2 that TWO perks that cna hard counter her and hard counter all other killers. That also includes Freddy, Nurse, Leatherface, Trapper, Pig, Wraith, Billy, Hag, Huntress, Myers, Clown and the Doctor.

It's almost as if those 2 perks counter every killer in the game, which by the way they do and quite well since it's why quite a lot of people especially in red ranks run one or the other. So in other words those 2 perks are handy at all times not just against her and that 1 addon.

If you think it's so op then play her and take her to rank 1, this is a challenge to prove your point that it's op until you've played her and taken her to rank 1. Because until you get to that point and play people that actually know how to play her and against her and that addon you've got no argument other than I want it nerfed.

The people that play her and know her and the other killers know their true strengths and weaknesses and can actually counter those killers. The same is true for survivors and how to counter them and each perk etc which is why people give hints on how to cope.

You've been given information on how to do so, you just don't want to give up you precious meta perks, so of course you can keep dying to her. Meanwhile the rest of us that have chosen to adapt will do just fine since it's logic like yours that got Freddy nerfed.

Yes I play fighting games and yes you do not need to play a character to understand a character. Dgraon ball fighter Z for example, I dont play Bardock but I know all of his move I know how his combos work and I know what he gets on block and what he can do to open you up. I've never jumped off a bridge but I know how to jump off a bridge, its a simple concept. Sure that perk counters all those killers but its not NEEDED for them at all you do NOT NEED that perk to play against those killers. YOU NEED 1 of those 2 perks to deal with spirit if she has this add on. Under stand what that means. Understand that you dont need that counter on any of the other killers but you NEED them to fight her with this add on. That is why it is OP. Understand that you NEED to have them to stand a chance, you do NOT NEED them to fight against other killers. Take a fighting game for example. Imagine if there was someone who was just as good as everyone else but was the only one with a command grab. You can counter it by pressing a button but from now on now you have to press that button that was never there before. To compare, all of the killers on this game are pretty decent but she is the only one who cannot be seen or heard with this add on. Sure I can use a perk to try to counter it but I shouldnt have to.

@powerbats said:
@PixelatedDom

Your arguments have gone from no counter and finally after many iterations evolved to I shouldn't have to run this a perk to counter her addon. You were given information constantly yet kept changing your argument to counter the information given.

Now to show you how foolish your argument really is with something you can't move the goalpost so to speak again.We know for a fact that a killers terror radius is 32 meters and if you see them out side that you know where they are.

Your complain is you can't see her coming which is completely false since you can see her beyond her phasing distance when she's in the open. So you then complain you can't see her through a wall, but there's 2 perks that counter her and every other killer.

So now we get to where your argument is completely false and without premise due to the 32 meter terror radius. You can't hear her phasing sounds if you're outside her 32 meter terror radius. Whether she's using Prayer Beads or not and even if they had sound if you're outside the radius no sound.

So whether she runs it or not if you're outside her terror radius you can't hear her coming and you still get grabbed without ever knowing she's coming. Now to further show the fallacy of your argument there's this fact.

IF the Spirit is using Monitor and Abuse her terror radius is a mere 24 meters when not in a chase meaning outside that 24 meters you can't hear her phasing sound. Which means she can sneak up on you and grab you off a gen because you can't see or hear her coming.

That's without using the Prayer Bead addon you're complaining so vociferously about and the facts are the same you can't see her coming. So whether she uses the addon or not you're still going to get grabbed by a Spirit because you refuse to adapt.

If she decides to run Tinkerer and or M&A together well guess what that tunnel vision on the gen means she now has no terror radius. She can phase 5 meters away from you and you'd never know she was there because you refuse to adapt.

You'd still end up getting grabbed off that gen but then your complaint would have to evolve to nerf/remove Tinkerer/M&A. I've grabbed people off gens without using Prayer Beds just by using movement speed addons and phasing outside the terror radius.

I've also used Tinkerer combined with other perks for a jumpscare build and never used Prayer Beads and still pulled people off gens. Like you they complained it was op until I told them the ways to counter it like using the 2 perks, paying attention to grass.

Like not jumping right on a gen at start until you find out who the killer is, changing your facing on a gen to one not so easily grabbed. But unlike you they took the advice and ran with it and saw the logic behind it and in follow up matches they did much better.

I've now shown you how specious your argument is and how despite it's ever evolving nature it's still invalid, you can keep denying the facts or accept them.

Im really not going to read your entire page on how you think Im wrong. The add on takes away the ability to hear where she is which is too over powered for a very rare add on. If you do not have 1 or 2 of the perks that you said you should run then no you cannot predict when she is coming or what she is doing.Not having a organic counter to a item is completely over powered. I've made my point. Im not going to keep arguing with you. You clearly do not know how over powered it is to only have 2 perks to hard counter this add on. It takes away the organic skill to this game. It makes you rely on 2 perks. Thats why its overpowered.

@thesuicidefox said:

@PixelatedDom said:

@powerbats said:

@PixelatedDom said:

You can compare to aspects on games that a fact. You can compare any game to another game if they have similar or basic things to compare. There is only 1 solid counter to this add on and you need a perk to counter it. if there is no grass you cannot see her or tell she is near you. Understand that there are so many options in this game and so many things to run and taking up 1 perk slot out of my 4 is a lot to ask. And no, dont use the dumb logic of, if its so OP then you should e able to do it. I dont play her and I dont play killers. Give me some time to practice killers and yeah I'd imagine I would do 100% better with this add on compared to not running it. Understand that there is only 1 real hard counter to this perk and that is why it is strong.

I can compare other games to your issue and point out how other people manage in those games to adapt whereas you refuse to. There are 2 solid counters to her addon and both you refuse to use because it crimps your playstyle. The fact you refuse to run either of the 2 counters which by the way work on every killer but Myers in Evil Within I shows your the issue not ehr addon.

Also my logic isn't dumb just because you disagree with it and don't like the fact it makes sense. You don't play killers yet say you can't compare other killers without actually having played killer. that's totally bad and contradictory logic there.

There's 2 hard counters and most maps even Lery's have Grass and Myers in tier I can sneak up up on you when you're behind a wall. Amanda can sneak up on you behind a wall and you can't see her either. Wraith can sneak up on you behind a wall and you can't see him either.

In fact all killers can sneak up on you behind a wall and if they have Tinkerer then you won't get a terror radius either. Your problem is and will remain the fact you refuse to change or adapt to one killer and 1 addon. I watched a streamer earlier play without either of those addon on Lery's and never get grabbed once. She wasn't near grass and couldn't see her coming nor hear her yet did just fine.

The devs aren't going to remove an addon just because you refuse to use the available tools to counter it,e specially when that information has been given to you. If she had a 100% grab rate using this addon you'd see it get nerfed but since people adapt and learn to counter her they won't.

IF you won't change or adapt and won't learn to play killer you'll keep getting nailed by her or any killer for that matter. It's obvious you're going to keep using the add on as an excuse for not changing instead of fixing the issue which is you.

On wide open maps you can look and see her phase, on close maps it's all about situational awareness.

You need to have a specific perk to counter her add on that is why it is OP, you can tell me to adapt all you want but only having 1 real hard counter to a add on is complete broken. And no you can see all of those other killers, her invisibility is just like Freddy's. You are completely invisible when you phase. therefor you cannot tell if she is near you. All of those other killers can be seen coming to your gen. You fail to see that clearly. And I can criticize killers even if I don't play them, I play against them all of the time, I understand what they do just as well as the killers themselves. Sure I can sacrifice one of my perks just in case I ever run into her with that add on again but personally I don't need that item on me 24/7 to deal with any other killer. The only time I would ever find it handy to use is against her with this add on. It needs to be nerfed.

I mean, if you think she has Prayer Beads just don't be on a gen unless you are positive you know where she is, or that she is definitely not by you. If you see her hook while you are doing a gen, assume she has BBQ and might come to you. Just walk away, she can't see auras when she phasewalks and she's probably going to phase walk before the aura reading ends. If she decided to come for you and you aren't there she can't grab you. If she made a hook and it's been more than 10 seconds you can be safe to assume she isn't coming to you so get back on the gen.

My problem with that is you never know if she has it or not until its too late. Its not even about getting grabbed off gens its never being able to know here she is when she has this add on.