Can someone please help me understand why Gideon is suddenly highly complained about?!

I think its for several reasons.

• God pallets can be used by almost any Survivor even by not very good ones while good vaults require at least to be decent at running the gyms so if you get bad Survivors you are going to have trouble even if they are not very good at looping, thats not the case on heavy window maps where bad players are easier to down.
• The chase someone, drop pallet, break pallet is quite boring, especially for Killers.
• A lot of players are very bad, the kind of players that dont realize 3gen setups (or dont care) or try to mindgame low-wall god pallets, this map punishes heavily bad Killers while doesnt punish bad Survivors as much so bad Killers have a much harder time than usual since they have to deal with their mistakes while Survivors dont, bad players tend to spam the forums with complains more than good players.

Why does that matter if they've already cleared most, if not all, if the gens by that point? Are you just banking on hoping they get overly altruistic and die on failed hook saves?

I personally dont lose often when i get gideon. As killer survivor waste pallets so badly and as survivor killer give up the chase, sometimes they give up the match.

So why is it so different? Simply bc most survivor are bad and this map highlights it. They wait at pallets, try to stun and are in panic mode. A red rank survivor shouldnt wait at the god pallets next to the bathroom and take a hit when i lunge around the corner. This survivor shouldnt panic vault the pallet above the bathroom 5 times in a row and vault into me. (I didnt get the hit, but it was close) And a red rank survivor should chain the entire map and not use every pallet as waiting point.

I think you have under represented how many safe pallets there are on the map. Nearly every room has 1, if not 2 pallets, the vast majority of which are safe. The majority of these pallets are unmindgamable whether they are up or dropped, given that the loops are low and easy to see over. Yes, there are only 5 windows which I would consider safe. These are the long drop after the stairs, the freezer window, and the 1 jungle gym that spawns. Also T-L's given that gideon T-L's are quite long, making them easier to play as survivor. However, the sheer quantity of safe pallets means that there is almost always somewhere to chain these windows. Even if someone doesn't utilize the windows, they can still quite easily have a long chase simply by dropping each pallet as soon as they come to it, which is virtually uncounterable given the safety of the pallets.

This leads me into the second point. The fact that anyone can play this map well makes it incredibly boring. Against even a half decent survivor the best play is just to eat 2 pallets, get a hit if they mess up, and if you can't get the down then pressure gens. This is where even more problems come with this map, but this issue is with survivors. When all the pallets are gone in an area, you have nothing. Literally nothing. This window to pallet ratio is similar to breakable walls in its terrible design. Incredibly survivor sided until the pallet/wall is kicked, after that there is nothing for the survivor to do, as a deadzone has been created. It's horrible design, as maps should be balanced so that they have balance throughout the whole map. Obviously using resources in one area makes it weaker, but it shouldn't eliminate the usefulness of that area. Rounding that back to Gideon, the map is still absurdly survivor sided. This is because while there are huge flaws/weaknesses for both sides, the killer weaknesses are exploited before the survivor ones.

This isn't to say in any way that you can't win on this map. Even basic m1 killers will be able to win many red rank games. However this isn't because the game is balanced, it is that most survivors aren't great at looping even the safest of pallets unless it is a god pallet.

It is simple: the map is ruined.

Yep,survivors and killers can't really do any sort of mindgaming on that map which promotes super boring "Run around the pallet until the survivor drops it" kind of gameplay

As posted before. An exorbitant amount of safe pallets, walls you often have to break, hooks that are often times difficult to place survivors on.

I've probably played Gideon as killer about 20 times since the rework. I've maybe 4k'd twice. I've had multiple games where I haven't even gotten a hook as a killer. Most games where I don't even up with 4 bbq stacks.

The map is an absolute chore and I'm at the point where I'm just going to start going AFK in corner. I'm not a "this guy/team needs to get fired" guy, but if I was, well then anyone on the map design team and anyone that approved this should probably be looking for a new job. They sufficiently failed at this aspect of their job to the point where I'd have a hard time believing they're competent at anything.

It's too bad, because I really enjoyed meat plant games prior to the rework as both a killer and survivor.

everyone seems to not want to talk about the amount of dead ends that result in your death if you end up there with the killer. Interesting.

Yes this map is awful with the pallets gone the thing is if the survivors are at all competent they will have all gens done and be tbaging at the gates by the time you get rid of them.

Avoid them, then? If you play on the map enough to know the layout, that should be way, way less of a problem for a Survivor than the sheer number of very safe pallets can be for the Killer.

And the point everyone else is trying to make is that the massive shift you are describing happens way too late to benefit the Killer. This makes sense now that multiple people have explained it, yes?

It doesn't matter that there are like 2 vaults on the map, by the time you are done breaking most of the pallets, the gens will be done.

The real question is has BHVR acknowledged it?

The Game map is the most boring monstrosity of a map. It is just “break pallet with no form of a mindgame”. You simply don’t run out of resources on that map unless your team just doesn’t do gens. You can chuck every pallet you get to and if you have a good team or a team that just does gens then the match will be over with before you know it.

No, this map is actually just the best survivor map if they know what they're doing.

Every. Single. Pallet. Is. Safe.

The existing vaults are also relatively safe.

50% of the tiles connect to each other.

There are too many pallets that are safe to even get rid of them all before all of the gens are done. The Game is impossible to lose on against 90% of the killer roster if the survivors know what they're doing because the map is just incredibly safe.

I've always hated the meatplant as both killer and survivor, it's the map I hate the most. Others are just finally coming around to how terrible it is. 😂