LGBTQ survivor/killer when?

Thank you. I have various philosophies on most things, I've been around long enough and have spoken to enough people to have learned that looking at both sides and playing devil's advocate is a useful way of having a discussion. I enjoy objectivity. Go back and look at any of my posts here and you'll see that I don't take the survivor's side (even though that's my main) than I take the killer's side. As for the gay thing, I wish that the trans person I befriended from this site several weeks ago would be able to pop in and make it clear that I'm anything but a homophobe (I won't mention this person's name as outing someone without their consent is a horrible thing to do).

I understand that the person who called me a homophobe doesn't know me. But I felt that they were basing their conclusion off of very little - they either deliberately or unintentionally ignored the greater point that I was trying to make and chose instead to feel that I was attacking them, or perhaps someone they care about, for essentially no reason. They were of course welcome to think that, even if it would have been incorrect. But to label me a bigot for having a difference of opinion is, to me, just about the lowest thing that you can call someone - and it was doubly offensive since it isn't even correct. Again, they don't KNOW that, but that's a good reason why they shouldn't have said it.

No, I wasn't referring to you. I know that you're not the person who said it.

Pretty arrogant of you to think you know anything about me don't you think? You throw around trash terms like "homophobic" because it's a terrible way to say someone else's way of thinking is irrelevant and should be ignored. A bit hateful, arrogant and discriminatory wouldn't you say? Maybe I'm just tired of reading the same boring stuff over and over.

I can’t believe they don’t realise that on Monday - Sunday we aren’t homophobic. I mean, that’s just, like, the rules of being a decent human being.

It's extremely rude to but into other people's conversations. Please go bother someone else as I haven't interest in conversing with you.

This is a controversial topic but I personally agree, homosexuality is not a choice. Again, I've known several and am still friends with / related to several who are, and I feel that anyone who's spent any time with someone who isn't straight can pretty easily understand that it's an inherent feeling, not a choice that they made after waking up one day.

I related it to something like race / ethnicity, which is something else that a person can't change. I use the Doctor in this game, he's black (or at least African-American). I like the character a lot, I think that he's one of the more interesting characters in the game. As mentioned my favorite games in the GTA series heavily (or exclusively) required me to play as a young black man. I didn't think anything of it because the game was good. It's not as if I didn't notice - there are obvious cultural and ethnic differences - I just didn't care, and when I say I didn't care what I mean is "it did nothing to worsen my experience".

To that extent, as a straight male maybe it IS difficult to understand why some people who are not feel that a game or film (or what have you) isn't complete until someone more like themselves is included. To me it's not about representation or inclusion, I have nothing wrong with any of that. I just don't like modern society's highly politicized atmosphere which fosters the belief that if you DON'T go out of your way to tick all the boxes and include someone who represents all possible types of people, you are in fact a bigot and must make amends. This is painting with a broad brush, but this is also currently the world (at least the country) that I live in. As another example, the actress Ashley Judd once said that she couldn't stand hearing pro-Trump rhetoric at a basketball game (or something) and unironically advocated for the existence of "safe spaces" where people don't have to listen to anyone who feels differently about something than they do. That's the kind of dividing line where freedom of speech becomes an evil, the ability to have different opinions seen as something negative. One side wants to determine what's best for everyone. THAT is what I don't agree with. Not inclusion, not diversity, but those who feel that anyone who opposes such things are bad, wrong, intolerant, bigoted, evil, etc.

I'm not saying that this was the prevailing attitude of the thread before I made my comment. That said, my comment was informed by having had many negative experiences with other people, away from this forum, who feel that "tolerance" and "inclusion" is something that must be forced in all walks of life, and if someone dares to find that attitude uncomfortable, then that person is inherently, morally "wrong". That is the slippery slope that makes me uncomfortable, and was exemplified, in my opinion, by my having been called a bigot for trying to express this viewpoint.

TL;DR: I have a hyper-conservative friend who thinks that homosexuality is a sin that should be cured by shock therapy. I have gay relatives who live happier, more productive, more positive lives than this other guy could ever hope to achieve. My point? They've all lived their own individual lives, they've all had their own individual experiences, They all have the right to believe what they do, based on a set of morals and ethics that, for various reasons, feel right to THEM. I have no problem with them all existing. It's when one tries to force those morals and ethics on others, to make others think the way that they do lest they be shamed for not doing so, that is a slippery slope that I find uncomfortable. That is basically all I was trying to say.

Bottom line, if BHVR creates a flamboyantly gay trans character (just as a hypothetical example), so be it. I'll still play the game. If they don't, so be it, I'll still play the game. I don't hold it against people for wanting to see someone close to themselves represented in their chosen form of media, I just don't share the opinion that it's a necessity for enjoying said media. If a LBQT game is a lot of fun, I'll still play it. But my moral compass doesn't have to be everyone else's.

I know a very good woman - she's my GAD therapist, actually - who is a very committed Catholic. She's highly intelligent, introspective and open-minded. We've had a lot of discussions about life and any number of deeper subjects. I've asked her how she feels about gay marriage. She said that, in accordance with her own religion, it's not something that she personally approves of or would take part in. But, she also said, she understands that everyone is different and that her own personal feelings about something shouldn't hold someone else's feelings on the matter hostage. She waved it off by saying "let people marry whomever they want, as long as they understand that I'm going to stick with my husband".

It's a healthy attitude.

To be perfectly honest I find the John Waters type of gay to be the coolest kind. My mom's best friend Raoul used to call everyone honey, including myself. I was exposed to gay people at a relatively young age, I thought they were fun people. Once I was at his house visiting his (straight) brother and Raoul took a phone call. As I sat on the couch Raoul made it very obvious that he was speaking to both me AND the caller when he said "oh, my friend's son Mike is here visiting. Yep, I'm gonna marry him one day". I laughed. What could I do? It was funny.

That said, though it's a stereotype fully embraced by some, it IS still a stereotype, so you're probably right.

I knew her trans, my fault then.